Puppy toilet training question.

[Damnation]

Hey guys, I don't think I have ever posted in here so I will tell you a bit of background. Aswell as having a horse I have 4 dogs.
Orry "Old boy" - 12
Freya "Heffalump" - 7
Chloe "Cloppers" - 1
Those 3 are all black labradors, with appauling nicknames I know. We recently bought a puppy for my dad for his birthday, her name is Bronwen and she is a Basset hound.
Now I'm not clueless, I used to show labs before I lost interest and I trained the Old boy when I was 13 for obedience and am good at training dogs and sorting out dogs with behavioral issues.
However me and dad are clashing on one thing, the puppy toilet training. He will yell a stern "no" when puppy barks in her crate but if she pees or poos on the floor we have to ignore its happened??
Surely praising for going outside and a stern "no" for going inside (When you catch the little buggers in the act!!!!) makes more sense? To me if your going to ignore some things she does wrong but not others its not very consistent training and one approach should be taken for everything?
Your answers will be appriciated
Izzi

 

[Booboos]

Everyone has their own views on these things and more than one different approaches work. For what it's worth here's what I do.

I don't use the word 'no' as it is in common usage and it is easy to desensitize a dog to it. I use a made up word 'uh ah' which means 'whatever it is that you are doing, stop it', but I don't shout it, I say it as gently as any other command. Dogs have very good hearing they generally do not need to be yelled at in my opinion. If the dog ignores any of my commands I will use a deeper voice to say 'who do you think you are to ignore me' kind of thing.

Personally I ignore all toilet training accidents. If they happen in front of me, I will place the puppy outside, but that is all. If the puppy goes to the toilet outside I repeat the word 'toilet' as it is going to associate the word with the action and reward once the action has finished (some puppies cotton onto this very quickly and stop going to get the reward so I tend to look out for that!).

Not exactly what either you or your dad do, I know, so that doesn't solve your discussion, but each to his own!!

Photos of the 'pack' and the puppy are pretty obligatory in AAD you know!

 

[Spudlet]

If she's soiling in her crate, maybe it is too large for her? If so, you can get dividers to make it smaller until she has grown into it (is it a bit of a new school blazer job?)

I would also try and take her outside more frequently, every couple of hours if necessary and praise her hugely when she goes - make it easy for her to get it right

Obviously, we can offer no further advice without pictures

Also, I think your nicknames are great, you should hear what I call Henry

 

[Damnation]

Its always interesting to get a differnt perspective
I am more annoyed at the fact that we have toilet trained the other 3 dogs with my method no problem.. but he absolutely dotes on this new puppy, so we can't possibibily tell her off, which seems to be the message I am getting. He can tell her off for barking in her crate but nobody else can. If its an unruly dog in the end its nothing to do with me!
And here are the pictures of the pack, as you requested
Freya, doing what she does best.. sleeping!

From left to right : Freya, Chloe, Orry

Bronwen in bed with Freyas big backside!

 

[Damnation]

She doesn't foul her crate at all.
I let her out about once an hour at the moment. More when she has been fed. The little bugger will potter around outside.. for 10 mins, come back in and ***** or p*ss on the floor! Dad in my opinion isn't giving the puppy clear enough guidance as to where to go!

 

[Booboos]

Lovely dogs!!!

Mmm, I had one of those "half an hour outside - nothing, but pee as soon as you come in puppies"! She drove me nuts! In the end I had to either have her outside, or in her crate or attached to my waist by a lead rope (obviously she was a small pup so she couldn't pull me over), so that I could watch her 24/7 and the accidents stopped. Will the puppy go in the garden when the other dogs go? That usually helps my pups.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Oh puppy! The cuteness!

I still praise my two which is ridiculous! I was cooing over Bear doing a wee this morning in the exact right place. I think a not too loud telling off is good and a pick up, take to correct place. I stayed outside with mine until they'd done the deed, then obscene amounts of praise.

 

[spottydottypony]

I have the same problem with my 6 month old puppy. He vaugly gets the idea of going outside but comes in and does it in the house. I walked him and my other dog for 45 mins this morn then he came in the house weed and pooed!! Im going insane trying to teach him. I put him in the garden at leat every hour but to no avail he would rather play

 

[Dort]

Hi,
Firstly love the photos, and can't add much to what has been said, however I have it heard it said if pup always toilets in the same spot then place their feed bowl there.
Anyway best of luck I hope you get it sorted soon.

 

[CAYLA]

All breeds are different with the capacity in which/how quick they learn, some breeds are renound for their lengthy toilet training process compared to the larger breeds, littluns are in general harder to train.
If you are really struggling along side what the others have said I would do the following.

Always keep her in the same room as a human at all times, never let her have free reign to roam around on her own as if she "passes" and you miss it, it's your fault and you cannot correct behaviour past.
If she is however in the room and you see her circle or crouch, you can immediately break the motion by taking her outdoors, be it carry or guide by the collar. You can also introduce a puppy pad near the exit (the door) she would leave through to get to the next room to get to the garden
The aim here is NOT to allow her to wee and pooh on the pads but to teach her to "head for them" when she needs to go (as the are pre scented) to encourage passing of motions on them, any how, this is your "que" "ah, she need the bog, up and out" in the mean time she learn that heading for the door leads to being placed/released outdoors, and I would then watch her from the window and near the end of the motion outdoors go out and throw her a treat.
Gradually remove the pad to the other side of the door, she will still bebale to smell it and know where the head. Whichever room you are in with her place the pad at the door, keep her downstairs and restrict her space to kitchen and living room whenever she is with someone, and crate her at all times when you are not with her. Release her straight to garden from crate no matter how long/short of period of me she is in there at one time, and us a "go wee wee" if need be each time you release her or she heads for a door towards a pad.
If you reprimand the passing of motiond indoors, they will simply try harder to do it out of sight to avoid the reprimand (voice correction) whatever it may be and it can sometimes put them off passing motions as they should and they start passing at will or find strange places. The key is the guide them to the designated area and ignore and clean up.