Purpose of nosebands ?

OP, where do you live that your closest instructor is 45 mins away?

Regular lessons are a must IMO, even for those who think they know what they are doing. Top riders would be the first to tell you that you never stop learning.

IMO, no point getting a pony if you can't get lessons, more than likely it will just end up ruined...

My boy came with a grackle and I wasn't sure if it was unnecessary "bling". Dentist (sorry, EDT :p) asked me what he was ridden in and was relieved when I said a grackle. Apparently he has a flexible jaw so does need one. Although the chances of him deciding to tank off with me are quite slim (touch wood!). He might be ex P2P, but going fast requires effort...
 
hnmisty said:
OP, where do you live that your closest instructor is 45 mins away?

IMO, no point getting a pony if you can't get lessons, more than likely it will just end up ruined...





I live in southern Ireland .

My aunt has experience with horses but she doesn't know much about jumping . She would have lots more experience with racing.
When i was younger i used to have riding lessons once a week . I used to always go t pony camps and i worked at a stables (voluntary) for a small amount of time ( not long because i was kinda young ). But then my parents couldn't bring me for lessons anymore due to the lack of transport. I do have quite a bit of experience mostly with thoroughbreds . I am going to start regular lesson . And the pony will NOT be ruined. :)
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Cortez said:
'Tis the rules: you have to have a noseband (of prescribed style) for FEI and national competition. Nosebands have come and gone with prevailing fashion - OUT in much of the medieval period; IN in the 17th century; OUT again for much of the 18th and early 19th; IN again now.
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Ok ... Thank you! Next time I shall tell them I'm Jane Austen reincarnated, so therefore sporting one as a newfangled addition to one's mount's bridle would be off-putting to a man in possession of a good fortune etc etc ;):D

DabDab - a noseband or absence of one is hardly going to distract a judge of vaguely sound mind from the beast's way of going, is it? And surely, one should get marked up for the fact that a piece of extraneous headgear has been done away with ...

Not shooting the messenger here, but seems rather silly :)
 
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Mrs B said:
Ok ... Thank you! Next time I shall tell them I'm Jane Austin reincarnated, so therefore sporting one as a newfangled addition to one's mount's bridle would be off-putting to a man in possession of a good fortune etc etc ;):D

DabDab - a noseband or absence of one is hardly going to distract a judge of vaguely sound mind from the beast's way of going, is it? And surely, one should get marked up for the fact that a piece of extraneous headgear has been done away with ...

Not shooting the messenger here, but seems rather silly :)
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Hmm, noseband as man snaggling device: clever!
 
Mrs B said:
Ok ... Thank you! Next time I shall tell them I'm Jane Austin reincarnated, so therefore sporting one as a newfangled addition to one's mount's bridle would be off-putting to a man in possession of a good fortune etc etc ;):D

DabDab - a noseband or absence of one is hardly going to distract a judge of vaguely sound mind from the beast's way of going, is it? And surely, one should get marked up for the fact that a piece of extraneous headgear has been done away with ...

Not shooting the messenger here, but seems rather silly :)
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I don't make the rules - send a message to BD to ask for the reason behind that specific rule :)
 
Apologies if that came across as sarcastic - if you do e-mail them I would be interested in the response ;)
 
DabDab said:
I don't make the rules - send a message to BD to ask for the reason behind that specific rule :)
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Sorry - I know you don't, DD! :)
ETA - from your last reply - I didn't read it that way :0) I did ask one of the judges why, and she said she didn't know either! Like you, I was just interested ...
 
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You could tell them that according to Cortez they are either in front of or behind the times, depending on which way you look at it and now that it's the 21st century maybe it's time for a fashion change...;)
 
Cavesson - wide and flat - for attaching the standing martingale to, also for hunte show classes
Cavesson - fine and usually raised - for showing
Cavesson Crank - for tightening up very tight to trap the horses mouth shut

Drop - Prevents the horse from opening it's mouth to resist or drop the bit - used with cheeked snaffles

Flash - a combination of Standing and drop - initially designed for those that liked to use a drop and a standing martingale at the same time - meant you didn't have to use two nosebands which was bulky and untidy

Grackle - Prevents horse from opening it's mouth with some prevention of crossing the jaw.

Mexican - Prevents horse opening it's mouth and crossing its jaw

Kineton - transfer some pressure off the mouth to the nose, also compresses the side of the face as the reins are used

Worcester is similar but has leather straps from the centre of a cavesson type noseband that then attach to the front of the bit

Australian Cheeker again similar in action to the Kineton
 
According to the ancient greeks (and this is where I dredge up some questionable classical knowledge) it stopped the horse breaking it's jaw if it fell on it's face.
 
The cavesson noseband was designed for fitting a standing martingale to. Drop nosebands for preventing the horse from opening its mouth or crossing its jaw. Flash nosebands for those who want to fit a standing martingale and prevent the horse from opening its mouth. Grackles for those who basically want a flash but with more even pressure and giving more room around the nostrils.

If you don't want to fit a standing martingale and don't have a horse that opens its mouth then basically you don't need a noseband.
 
Pigeon said:
According to the ancient greeks (and this is where I dredge up some questionable classical knowledge) it stopped the horse breaking it's jaw if it fell on it's face.
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oo, Pigeon, tell me more about ancient greek classical horse knowledge - intriguing :cool:
 
Everyone except CS must have me on UI. :( *sob sob* :(

I said that cavessons were invented to prevent broken jaws due to face planting on page 2 of this thread. :p
 
Faracat said:
Everyone except CS must have me on UI. :( *sob sob* :(

I said that cavessons were invented to prevent broken jaws due to face planting on page 2 of this thread. :p
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No it's alright Faracat, I read that - and for the record you were definately the first :cool::)
 
Faracat said:
Cavessons were invented for a very specific reason. If a horse is galloping along sans noseband (think cavalry charge) and it trips and face plants, the lower jaw will spoon the ground and can break. The cavesson ties the lower jaw to the upper jaw and prevents the digging into the ground that can break the lower jaw.
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My mum told me this when I was very small and even sometimes now when we are out hunting I think of how there is a real likelihood of that happening - what a grim accident it would be.

OP I think before you start playing about with tack and bits, you should find a good instructor and have some lessons, get their opinion and see what they think you should do.
 
Read Xenophon's 'The Art of Horsemanship', it was written in about 350BC and most of it still rings true today. :D
 
I took Choccy's cavesson off for a western riding lesson and the instructor told me if I was going to ride him with no noseband, in just a snaffle/headpiece, then I should fit a joining-strap between the bit rings under the chin. (an old flash strap would have sufficed for this).

So a loose cavesson does limit the mouth opening, not as much as a drop or flash.
 
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