FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
I'm quite interested in the subject too and usually takes any chance I get to talk about it.
I probably didn't put that very well. When I said that it isn't likely with a 50 - 50% outcome I was thinking e.g. of the people thinking that if you breed a bitch that is 60 cm's high with a dog that is 20 cm's high, most of the puppies will become 40 cm's high or those who simply think that puppies always and regardless inherits 50% from each parent.
Maybe some do inherit 50% from each parent but some maybe inherits 45 - 55%? If one gene is dominant over another gene, your puppy might have inherited both genes but only the dominant maybe shows itself. Let's say that an owner have a black bitch with one A (black) gene and one B (brown) gene but A is dominant over B so the bitch is black and the owner doesn't know their bitch have the B gene.
They then decide to mate their bitch with a brown dog that has two B genes and expects to get 50% black (A gene) puppies and 50% brown (B gene) puppies. In the big doggy genes lottery that maybe happens now and then but it is not the most likely outcome.
Some people actually doesn't think/knows about that their dogs/bitches can carry genes that they can't see the result of, in front of their own eyes. If their mongrel doesn't hunt and have never wanted to hunt, they do believe that their dog/bitch can not carry any hunting gene from their e.g. Foxhound grandfather.
Then we have things like HD, that has polygene inheritance + it can be affected by environmental things like over feeding, to much or to little exercise etc.
Only the fact that it is polygene inherited makes it complicated, with not only one or two genes involved in deciding if the dog should get good hips or not, without several genes. If one of those genes is "damaged" maybe the dog will get a bad HD result but if the other genes are "undamaged" maybe the dog will get a good HD result though not all the genes involved being "undamaged".
Here we really can talk about that even if you only breed on dogs and bitches with ideal HD results, you still can't guarantee 100% HD free offspring and it might not even be the breeders fault if the buyer e.g. over feeds their puppy.
As you say it can be difficult to define what characterise a good working dog and what I think/wants might not be what anybody else think/wants. The same with what you maybe see as irrelevant, I maybe see as relevant to maintain the breed characteristic or something desirable to make the breed more suitable for its purpose (and to that I would never count things like e.g. peke-faced Persian cats, to mention what first turned up in my head as an example of what I don't like).
I don't believe in mass-producing puppies to get one that might meet so and so criteria, I believe in breeding with a goal beyond this generation and if you don't have to achieve everything in one generation, you can let things take some time. I don't think only champion purebreds should be allowed to breed and though I have only bred one litter, I hope to breed a champion myself one day but I don't believe it has to happen in this generation.
Besides I think maybe Sweden is a little bit to small (about 9,3 million Swedes in total, I believe I've heard that in London alone, there is like 15 million people during daytime?) for it to be possible to sell huge amounts of mass-produced puppies.
I probably didn't put that very well. When I said that it isn't likely with a 50 - 50% outcome I was thinking e.g. of the people thinking that if you breed a bitch that is 60 cm's high with a dog that is 20 cm's high, most of the puppies will become 40 cm's high or those who simply think that puppies always and regardless inherits 50% from each parent.
Maybe some do inherit 50% from each parent but some maybe inherits 45 - 55%? If one gene is dominant over another gene, your puppy might have inherited both genes but only the dominant maybe shows itself. Let's say that an owner have a black bitch with one A (black) gene and one B (brown) gene but A is dominant over B so the bitch is black and the owner doesn't know their bitch have the B gene.
They then decide to mate their bitch with a brown dog that has two B genes and expects to get 50% black (A gene) puppies and 50% brown (B gene) puppies. In the big doggy genes lottery that maybe happens now and then but it is not the most likely outcome.
Some people actually doesn't think/knows about that their dogs/bitches can carry genes that they can't see the result of, in front of their own eyes. If their mongrel doesn't hunt and have never wanted to hunt, they do believe that their dog/bitch can not carry any hunting gene from their e.g. Foxhound grandfather.
Then we have things like HD, that has polygene inheritance + it can be affected by environmental things like over feeding, to much or to little exercise etc.
Only the fact that it is polygene inherited makes it complicated, with not only one or two genes involved in deciding if the dog should get good hips or not, without several genes. If one of those genes is "damaged" maybe the dog will get a bad HD result but if the other genes are "undamaged" maybe the dog will get a good HD result though not all the genes involved being "undamaged".
Here we really can talk about that even if you only breed on dogs and bitches with ideal HD results, you still can't guarantee 100% HD free offspring and it might not even be the breeders fault if the buyer e.g. over feeds their puppy.
As you say it can be difficult to define what characterise a good working dog and what I think/wants might not be what anybody else think/wants. The same with what you maybe see as irrelevant, I maybe see as relevant to maintain the breed characteristic or something desirable to make the breed more suitable for its purpose (and to that I would never count things like e.g. peke-faced Persian cats, to mention what first turned up in my head as an example of what I don't like).
I don't believe in mass-producing puppies to get one that might meet so and so criteria, I believe in breeding with a goal beyond this generation and if you don't have to achieve everything in one generation, you can let things take some time. I don't think only champion purebreds should be allowed to breed and though I have only bred one litter, I hope to breed a champion myself one day but I don't believe it has to happen in this generation.
Besides I think maybe Sweden is a little bit to small (about 9,3 million Swedes in total, I believe I've heard that in London alone, there is like 15 million people during daytime?) for it to be possible to sell huge amounts of mass-produced puppies.
