Putting older mare in foal for 1st time?

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My mare has just turned 13. She has great breeding and so would love to put her in foal. However she is just starting competing and so would like to leave it late as possible to do so. I have heard from other people the later you leave it the riskier it is. What is the safest age to put a mare in foal for her first time?
 
My mare had her first foal at 16 and has just had her second at 21. As long as you look after them you can do it any time really
 
always risks to breeding but depends on your mare, build, temperament, health and fitness amongst other things.
i have two mares one is 14.3 irish sports horse has competed in every field 8/9 dressage, 3'6'' eventing one and three day, all pony club activities, gosling cup fantastic temperament she foaled 5yrs ago before we had her.
she is red and white and people keep asking if i will breed from her. the answer is no there are so many (good, talented and with potential) out there unwanted, being sent for meat, neglected and abused-why would any of us want to breed at the mo?
 
always risks to breeding but depends on your mare, build, temperament, health and fitness amongst other things.
i have two mares one is 14.3 irish sports horse has competed in every field 8/9 dressage, 3'6'' eventing one and three day, all pony club activities, gosling cup fantastic temperament she foaled 5yrs ago before we had her.
she is red and white and people keep asking if i will breed from her. the answer is no there are so many (good, talented and with potential) out there unwanted, being sent for meat, neglected and abused-why would any of us want to breed at the mo?

I'm breeding for myself so there would be no chance of being neglected/abused/meat :) i wouldn't breed from her if I wasn't sure she could produce something special. She is KWPN from the VDL stud so has good breeding herself an in opinion (biased of course :p) would produce a great foal.
 
It is linked to older mares but usually ones that have been repeatedly bred from; it could of been down to the position of the foal but I went through the pregnancy telling myself I could loose the foal but never my mate who was a family member
10 months later I lost a foal I had bought as a companion to mine from GS and I realised it could of been mine and I could of lost everything - I still could
It's frightening
 
It is linked to older mares but usually ones that have been repeatedly bred from; it could of been down to the position of the foal but I went through the pregnancy telling myself I could loose the foal but never my mate who was a family member
10 months later I lost a foal I had bought as a companion to mine from GS and I realised it could of been mine and I could of lost everything - I still could
It's frightening

Thanks for sharing. That must of been awful and hope you're foaly has a long, healthy future ahead of him. Obviously I know there are risks involved but just wondered if I was heightening those risks by breeding at an older age. Obviously she isn't going to be ancient around 16-18 but just wanted to check everything.
 
I can't really help but will tell you of our experience...

My MIL's very nice show mare had a very serious accident about 4 year's ago, the horse she was riding out with barged her into a ditch and the mare twisted her spine (mares head and front end were the normal way up in ditch but the rear end was upside down...)

She decided as she was never going to be able to ride her again that she'd put her in foal, they chose the stallion (a lippizanner) went through the counsil to get the agreement to put mare in foal.. sent mare of to foal - mare was extremely difficult to cover, she kicked the kicking boots of and kicked the stallion :eek: but eventually they got her covered..

X days later (or so) she was scanned not in foal - mil was devestated.. 9 months past and mare was getting ready to go to stud - very fat considering she'd been on a small paddock to lose some weight... mare went to stud and stud said "mares in foal" .. scans/blood test confirmed she was 9 months pregnant. She stayed at stud to have the foal as travelling her was to much of a risk - we'd never had taken her if we'd known (but in heignsight thank god we did take her)..

Mare hadn't shown any signs of foaling (she was a week over), she was checked at 6.30 and by 7.30 she'd foaled. We had a call at 10am - mil answered - "hello grandma, you've got a beautiful colt foal but get here now. He may not last the day"...

Turns out, Mare had foaled standing up, reared up and split her head on a beam, saw foal and freaked out - kicked foal over a 5 bar gate.. foal landed on his head and was staggering around all over the yard... luckily the stallion was shreiking as was the other mare on the yard (who'd just lost her foal so thought this was hers).. stud owner was awoken and came up to yard (stud owners in her late 60's).. managed to get the foal into the stable and shout for her next door neighbours.. who called the vet... by 8.30 they'd managed to sedate mare enough to milk collostrum off her - which saved foalie.

He didn't drink again until 5pm - which is when we got there. I had her front end, MIL guided a very very hungry baby to his mother (who was trying to kill him) and my OH (who's a farrier) had mares back leg up so she couldn't kill baby. He had his second drink at 5-5.30 (how he survived we don't know)...


Anyway long story short, foal was jabbed up to his eye balls for virus protection etc, we had to basically pin mare down each time he drank and by day 3 she was ok with him.. mare got perintinitus 14 days later, was rushed into equine hospital and nearly died (she had a 15% chance of survival going into the night) - she survived thank god.

Nothing has been easy and MIL recons all in all this foal's cost them (vets bills/stud fee/transport etc etc) roughly £5-8k already.. if mil had had heignsight she'd never have put the mare in foal.. stud owner and vet recons her reaction was because she was 14 and a maiden mare - to old --> but who know's. The mare in general is sharp and loses her head occasionally (like any TB) but they never guessed she'd react like that.

That was our experience and to be fair we've got the most superb foal out of it.. but it didn't half cost mil/fil a lot of money and stress and tears to get there.. it was an extremely scary time - i can still remember sitting in the car with OH through the night (11pm-5am) on foal watch - to make sure she didn't kill him.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.. this is what we got out of it all....

prince.jpg
 
My mare was 14 having her first and only foal and all went well, that was 19 years ago and I still have that foal! Saying that my 6 year old miniature who had had 2 healthy foals already had a still birth earlier this year so there are always risks involved. Good luck.
 
My goodness Spottytb what an ordeal! Interesting thread as I nearly put my mare who's 14 in foal this year but due to personal circumstances I had to change all my plans, perhaps there's still time to get her in foal but there are so many risks it really is such a tough decision!
 
I can't really help but will tell you of our experience...

My MIL's very nice show mare had a very serious accident about 4 year's ago, the horse she was riding out with barged her into a ditch and the mare twisted her spine (mares head and front end were the normal way up in ditch but the rear end was upside down...)

She decided as she was never going to be able to ride her again that she'd put her in foal, they chose the stallion (a lippizanner) went through the counsil to get the agreement to put mare in foal.. sent mare of to foal - mare was extremely difficult to cover, she kicked the kicking boots of and kicked the stallion :eek: but eventually they got her covered..

X days later (or so) she was scanned not in foal - mil was devestated.. 9 months past and mare was getting ready to go to stud - very fat considering she'd been on a small paddock to lose some weight... mare went to stud and stud said "mares in foal" .. scans/blood test confirmed she was 9 months pregnant. She stayed at stud to have the foal as travelling her was to much of a risk - we'd never had taken her if we'd known (but in heignsight thank god we did take her)..

Mare hadn't shown any signs of foaling (she was a week over), she was checked at 6.30 and by 7.30 she'd foaled. We had a call at 10am - mil answered - "hello grandma, you've got a beautiful colt foal but get here now. He may not last the day"...

Turns out, Mare had foaled standing up, reared up and split her head on a beam, saw foal and freaked out - kicked foal over a 5 bar gate.. foal landed on his head and was staggering around all over the yard... luckily the stallion was shreiking as was the other mare on the yard (who'd just lost her foal so thought this was hers).. stud owner was awoken and came up to yard (stud owners in her late 60's).. managed to get the foal into the stable and shout for her next door neighbours.. who called the vet... by 8.30 they'd managed to sedate mare enough to milk collostrum off her - which saved foalie.

He didn't drink again until 5pm - which is when we got there. I had her front end, MIL guided a very very hungry baby to his mother (who was trying to kill him) and my OH (who's a farrier) had mares back leg up so she couldn't kill baby. He had his second drink at 5-5.30 (how he survived we don't know)...


Anyway long story short, foal was jabbed up to his eye balls for virus protection etc, we had to basically pin mare down each time he drank and by day 3 she was ok with him.. mare got perintinitus 14 days later, was rushed into equine hospital and nearly died (she had a 15% chance of survival going into the night) - she survived thank god.

Nothing has been easy and MIL recons all in all this foal's cost them (vets bills/stud fee/transport etc etc) roughly £5-8k already.. if mil had had heignsight she'd never have put the mare in foal.. stud owner and vet recons her reaction was because she was 14 and a maiden mare - to old --> but who know's. The mare in general is sharp and loses her head occasionally (like any TB) but they never guessed she'd react like that.

That was our experience and to be fair we've got the most superb foal out of it.. but it didn't half cost mil/fil a lot of money and stress and tears to get there.. it was an extremely scary time - i can still remember sitting in the car with OH through the night (11pm-5am) on foal watch - to make sure she didn't kill him.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.. this is what we got out of it all....

prince.jpg

my tin hat is on

maybe some of the problems were to do with havind a twisted sine/
maybe being covered was painful
and giving birth too
all that stress and pain can freak anything out
 
Take your tin hat off ;)

Vets assured us she wouldn't and wasn't in pain - she went to the best equine hospital in the SW.

And actually having the foal *touch wood* has cured her back.. We've just brought her back Into work and she's sound! Vets said that it was probably being pregnant and carrying the foal that relaxed her spine and muscles - so no pain,

However They could be totally wrong and she may have been - mil said though she knows Holly and if she was in pain she'd have gone through the gate to get away from it - she runs.

:)
 
Take your tin hat off ;)

Vets assured us she wouldn't and wasn't in pain - she went to the best equine hospital in the SW.

And actually having the foal *touch wood* has cured her back.. We've just brought her back Into work and she's sound! Vets said that it was probably being pregnant and carrying the foal that relaxed her spine and muscles - so no pain,

However They could be totally wrong and she may have been - mil said though she knows Holly and if she was in pain she'd have gone through the gate to get away from it - she runs.

:)

in which case i take my hat off (to you and you mil)
thats great news and long may it continue, its a shame more people dont check a mare is (as far as can be known) physically capable of carrying a foal before they have them covered
 
Spotty what a horrible experience for you! Sorry that happened, but you're foal is gorgeous. So sad that no one could predict that could happen, it's like everything you would never expect to happen, happening!
 
My mare was 14 having her first and only foal and all went well, that was 19 years ago and I still have that foal! Saying that my 6 year old miniature who had had 2 healthy foals already had a still birth earlier this year so there are always risks involved. Good luck.

That's reassuring there are some good stories with older mares! So nice you still have yours ! Lovely story.
 
Spotty what a horrible experience for you! Sorry that happened, but you're foal is gorgeous. So sad that no one could predict that could happen, it's like everything you would never expect to happen, happening!

There's risks in everything, if you think your mare is the perfect horse to breed from then by all mean's take the risk (if you think it's worth it).. but one thing i know for sure is it's cheaper to buy a youngster (having just bought myself a lovely KWPN weanling for not a lot) however there isn't the connection to your mare with a bought baby.

I don't think MIL regrets putting Holly in foal - as we've got prince out of it.. however she won't be ever breeding from her again (not worth the hassle and the chances are - they'd lose the mare or the mare and foal - to risky!) and besides the mare's back in action again (woohoo) so a lot of good has also come from this!!

STB
 
I put my maiden mare in foal at 17, so she foaled at 18. All went smoothly and she was bang on her due date (TB mare to WB stallion). Foal is now three and mum is still hacking about.

Two things I will say:

- Get vet to examine the mare now and advise
- Look at the costs, vet packages which studs offer increase with the age of the mare, you may want to just come inside the upper age limit to save yourself a couple of hundred
 
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