Ellies_mum2
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That sums it up perfectly for me. We are all upset for Queenie and all at the farm but its nothing to the heartbreak they are going through
R.I.P Pretty foal
Queenie the shire
- Thread starter Devonshire dumpling
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That sums it up perfectly for me. We are all upset for Queenie and all at the farm but its nothing to the heartbreak they are going through
R.I.P Pretty foal
bumper
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So sad.
B_2_B
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Oh what a heartbreaking and emotively written paragraph
RIP little filly, sleep well xx
RIP little filly, sleep well xx
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aj18
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such a shame! devastating that she made it through pregnancy and gave birth to a live foal & it just didn't make it. poor queenie, so heartbreaking to watch, rip beautiful filly! <3
Devonshire dumpling
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
MrsElle
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I was in tears when I read this post. I watched Queenie until I fell asleep last night and expected to see her with a foal this morning. I am glad I didn't see it now, it sounds quite distressing.
Hopefully poor Queenie will be retired as a brood mare now
Hopefully poor Queenie will be retired as a brood mare now
bedbug
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Agree with many of the other posts on here...My heart goes out to all those involved who must be feeling devastated but especially Queenie.
The Shire is an endangered breed but hope comes from many of the wonderful places who breed the shires. I was fortunate enough to be able to go to the Shire horse Centre in Cheshire earlier this year where they had many foals and that gives me hope that these beautiful gentle giants will be with us for many many more years.
Incidently they did have a TB mare there acting as a foster mum to one of their foals. Foal was nearly as big as foster mum but they both managed fine and you couldn't help but smile...so maybe their is a foal out there who has tragically lost their mum and we could have a happier ending
The Shire is an endangered breed but hope comes from many of the wonderful places who breed the shires. I was fortunate enough to be able to go to the Shire horse Centre in Cheshire earlier this year where they had many foals and that gives me hope that these beautiful gentle giants will be with us for many many more years.
Incidently they did have a TB mare there acting as a foster mum to one of their foals. Foal was nearly as big as foster mum but they both managed fine and you couldn't help but smile...so maybe their is a foal out there who has tragically lost their mum and we could have a happier ending
flashmans
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I'm glad Queenie is doing okay today - was absolutely heartbreaking last night.
They are sending her back to the stallion in three weeks to try to get her covered again. As a few other people have said I really think that enough is enough now for poor Queenie breeding wise.
What do other people think?
RIP little filly x
They are sending her back to the stallion in three weeks to try to get her covered again. As a few other people have said I really think that enough is enough now for poor Queenie breeding wise.
What do other people think?
RIP little filly x
MurphysMinder
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I am not an expert in breeding horses, but am pretty experienced in breeding dogs. If a bitch had problems over 3 litters I would not be mating her again, but of course do not know all the circumstances with Queenie. My thoughts to her owners, such a sad loss.
Vizslak
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Just read that too flashmans, and feel a little sad about it tbh. Also that they are looking to dry up Queenies milk rather than find a foster foal. Seems a little harsh on Queenie, and a shame for any foals out there with no mum that could thrive with Queenie instead. But their decision I guess.
azouria
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Looks like they're going to try and put in foal again, poor girl.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/308666.html
edit: just noticed it's been mentioned already. Such a shame though, you'd think after three times, enough's enough.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/308666.html
edit: just noticed it's been mentioned already. Such a shame though, you'd think after three times, enough's enough.
Pipkin
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They need their heads read!!! They should NOT be putting her through this again she`s been through enough!
Last night would have gone a whole lot differently if she was my mare!
LaurenBay
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Poor Queenie
I really do hope they see sense and not have her coverd any more. This poor more has sufferd enough. Some things are not meant to be.
As for the foster, I really hope she could. When I was at a stud, we had a fell and a TB both in foal. The TB foaled first but unfourtantly she died giving birth. We wasn't sure if the little foal would make it through the night, so he was put in with the fell mare. She let him suckle from her and made it through the night. The next day the Fell foaled and gave birth to a lovely little colt. We were worried that she would reject her own foal but she didn't. She nursed both until they were both weaned.
I really do hope they see sense and not have her coverd any more. This poor more has sufferd enough. Some things are not meant to be.
As for the foster, I really hope she could. When I was at a stud, we had a fell and a TB both in foal. The TB foaled first but unfourtantly she died giving birth. We wasn't sure if the little foal would make it through the night, so he was put in with the fell mare. She let him suckle from her and made it through the night. The next day the Fell foaled and gave birth to a lovely little colt. We were worried that she would reject her own foal but she didn't. She nursed both until they were both weaned.
Beausmate
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I emailed Wimpole earlier to mention the possibility of using Queenie as a foster mum. Gave them a number for the NFB too.
I'm not on Facebook or Twitter or anything else like that, so I didn't know how else to get in touch. Hope my message gets through to the right people somehow.
Of the horses I've dealt with (TBs) mostly, it seems Shires aren't great foalers. Is this maybe due to them being a relatively narrow horse for their size having huge foals? Think that Queenie's foal was maybe too big to come out easily, and the stress was too much for her?
If that's the case there's a fair chance it will happen again, especially as the more foals a mare has, the bigger they seem to get. I wouldn't put her back in foal again, it's not fair.
I'm not on Facebook or Twitter or anything else like that, so I didn't know how else to get in touch. Hope my message gets through to the right people somehow.
Of the horses I've dealt with (TBs) mostly, it seems Shires aren't great foalers. Is this maybe due to them being a relatively narrow horse for their size having huge foals? Think that Queenie's foal was maybe too big to come out easily, and the stress was too much for her?
If that's the case there's a fair chance it will happen again, especially as the more foals a mare has, the bigger they seem to get. I wouldn't put her back in foal again, it's not fair.
millhouse
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Poor Queenie. It is so so sad. Rest in peace little filly.
china
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Will she be offered to the foaling bank for an orphan foal? No, she will not. This is Farm Manager Richard Morris' decision after much consideration for Queenie, Emma, her existing work load and the other horses we have in our care. We have done this in the past and it is a huge commitment that at this time we just are unable to commit to.
muddygreymare
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Poor Queenie RIP Little foalie <3
RIP Little foalie <3
benson21
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Hadnt realised this had happened until I opened up The Daily Mirror this morning. So so sad.
MyBoyChe
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I havent been following this closely but there was a little clip on our local news (East Anglia) last night, If I heard correctly they said they had done a pm on the foal and it seems the placenta came away too soon and the foal drowned during foaling. Im not sure how comfortable I am with web cams et al following things like this? Im sure, like most of us on H&H, I understand these things happen sadly, things do not always go to plan and we have to deal with whatever gets thrown at us, but to open up to a huge audience some of whom are not best placed to deal with it? Not sure, just my opinion mind and still feel very upset for Queenie and all the staff.
Fantasy_World
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The decision about not allowing Queenie to become a foster mum seems very bizarre. Don't have the time eh? No but they have the time to try and put the poor mare in foal again.
Nevermind that she has lost 3 foals now and had to not only suffer the strains of pregnancy and birth, but also the stress and grieving of 3 dead foals!
I am really quite angry about this to be honest.
Yes the Shires may be now becoming a rare breed but that does not excuse the bad judgement of trying to put a mare in foal that has now lost 3 of them. Please tell me where is the sense in that?
It was quite apparent in the webcam coverage (I watched it) that she was struggling. She was struggling to push. You could see her trying to gain some leverage from the floor to help her to push but her legs kept slipping. A mare that was really having difficulties in trying to deliver that foal. No wonder the poor little filly died. It would be interesting to see what the post mortem result was if they had one done?
So they are allowing Queenie's milk to dry up instead of doing what may be in HER best interests and allowing her to be a mum again following the death of 3 of her babies.
They are removing that option from her and also the chance that something positive would have come from this tragedy. Queenie could have embraced another foal as if it were her own and given another foal that had lost its mum the opportunity of a 'natural' upbringing with another horse rather than human.
To add to this they are now going to try and put her in foal yet again meaning that those images that we saw of a mare straining and pushing and looking exhausted could be repeated. Not to mention the images of her crying out in distress for a dead foal. Licking it and trying to nudge life into the little one. The ears flat back and placing herself between another horse in the background and her dead foal and trying to protect it when all chance had gone.
Not only does this upset me it also makes me angry.
Why would anyone choose to put a living breathing animal through all this again is beyond me.
I don't mince words when I am dammed annoyed and I haven't done so now.
To try and breed from that mare again is not only foolhardy but cruel and morally unacceptable as well !
Nevermind that she has lost 3 foals now and had to not only suffer the strains of pregnancy and birth, but also the stress and grieving of 3 dead foals!
I am really quite angry about this to be honest.
Yes the Shires may be now becoming a rare breed but that does not excuse the bad judgement of trying to put a mare in foal that has now lost 3 of them. Please tell me where is the sense in that?
It was quite apparent in the webcam coverage (I watched it) that she was struggling. She was struggling to push. You could see her trying to gain some leverage from the floor to help her to push but her legs kept slipping. A mare that was really having difficulties in trying to deliver that foal. No wonder the poor little filly died. It would be interesting to see what the post mortem result was if they had one done?
So they are allowing Queenie's milk to dry up instead of doing what may be in HER best interests and allowing her to be a mum again following the death of 3 of her babies.
They are removing that option from her and also the chance that something positive would have come from this tragedy. Queenie could have embraced another foal as if it were her own and given another foal that had lost its mum the opportunity of a 'natural' upbringing with another horse rather than human.
To add to this they are now going to try and put her in foal yet again meaning that those images that we saw of a mare straining and pushing and looking exhausted could be repeated. Not to mention the images of her crying out in distress for a dead foal. Licking it and trying to nudge life into the little one. The ears flat back and placing herself between another horse in the background and her dead foal and trying to protect it when all chance had gone.
Not only does this upset me it also makes me angry.
Why would anyone choose to put a living breathing animal through all this again is beyond me.
I don't mince words when I am dammed annoyed and I haven't done so now.
To try and breed from that mare again is not only foolhardy but cruel and morally unacceptable as well !
whisp&willow
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ive only just caught up on this thread- i hadnt heard of queenie. i am glad i didnt see this foaling... what a shame.
poor mare- although having lost the last two foals i think it was an irresponsible decision to put her in foal again. now to read that they are putting her straight back to stud in her foaling heat by the sound of it, has made me shudder.
nature knows best. i feel sorry for this poor mare- bereft of three foals, and now being set up for another.
i also think its incredibly selfish to put her through pregnancy and another potential loss of a foal at the end of the day. not to mention a waste of a perfectly good foster mare.
why do people ignore what nature is trying to tell them?? the mind boggles.
poor mare- although having lost the last two foals i think it was an irresponsible decision to put her in foal again. now to read that they are putting her straight back to stud in her foaling heat by the sound of it, has made me shudder.
nature knows best. i feel sorry for this poor mare- bereft of three foals, and now being set up for another.
i also think its incredibly selfish to put her through pregnancy and another potential loss of a foal at the end of the day. not to mention a waste of a perfectly good foster mare.
why do people ignore what nature is trying to tell them?? the mind boggles.
wonkey_donkey
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What a shame :-(
rambling
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I seem to remember that they said she was AI'd the last time am I right ?
They are saying the reason they are breeding is because Shires are scarce but IMHO there is not a lot of point in keeping her genes because she has such a bad foaling record , poor poor pet.
Maybe they could AI her and implant the embryos in a surrogate mare , if they did a few it might indicate where the problem lies. Are the foals somehow less viable than normal or is Queenie not up to the job of carrying and giving birth ?
Am I right in thinking that My Farm is a National Trust concern ? If enough people feel strongly that she shouldn't be put through that again I'm sure they wont if they thought enough people would withdraw their subs and make a fuss.
They are saying the reason they are breeding is because Shires are scarce but IMHO there is not a lot of point in keeping her genes because she has such a bad foaling record , poor poor pet.
Maybe they could AI her and implant the embryos in a surrogate mare , if they did a few it might indicate where the problem lies. Are the foals somehow less viable than normal or is Queenie not up to the job of carrying and giving birth ?
Am I right in thinking that My Farm is a National Trust concern ? If enough people feel strongly that she shouldn't be put through that again I'm sure they wont if they thought enough people would withdraw their subs and make a fuss.
bumblelion
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CatStew
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just thought I'd look at this thread thinking queenie would of had her foal by now and thought it would be all good and well.How wrong was I?
Poor horse, that must have been horrendous for her! Can't believe they're putting her in foal again either!
brighteyes
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Putting her in foal again??? Disgraceful. But I suppose an example of an endangered breed is f* all use if it isn't actively engaged in getting said numbers up. If she breeds a foal, it's a plus, if she dies during said process... well, she wasn't much use barren, was she?
*'outraged' not coming close*
Poor Queenie
*'outraged' not coming close*
Poor Queenie
Beth321
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In my opinion I wouldnt put Queenie through the stress of pregnancy and labour all over again, even if the 3 dead foals were born alive because there comes a point where you have to say enough is enough! But I dont think it's right that everyone on here is ranting about Wimpole's decision to put her back into foal again in 3 weeks time, yes you are all obviously very caring people and only want the best for Queenie.. But I know that Emma would have weighed up the pros and cons and not jumped in and made a quick decision to put the mare into foal again! I think we just have to trust them and try not to get so involved, Emma wouldnt do anything to deliberately distress any horse, especially Queenie, and if it was a welfare issue they wouldnt be allowed to do it... :/
mymare
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But it was a quick decision, only a matter of hours after Queenie's foal died.
Beth321
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How do you know this? Honestly, I know Emma and she wouldnt have done anything to put Queenie's welfare at risk! She loves that horse, and wouldnt have just made the split decision herself without talking to anyone either..
marinitagsd
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I'm pretty disgusted they are taking her back to a stallion! I don't know much about breeding horses but surely with all her history, its time to stop trying!