Question about horse box axle weights

[Annie B.]

Ok I am not sure if it is as obvious as it seems or if I'm looking at the wrong figures so I would be grateful of help. I own a 7.5 ton wagon that has just been plated and serviced and I have decided to sell as we need more space in the horse area, the wagon was made to my requirements new. I have seen on here that on purchasing a wagon potential buyers wish to know the axle weights, now looking back at previous posts I have seen the weights are on the brake test sheet. The brake test sheet reads as 750kg each side front and rear so making 1500kg front and rear so totalling 3000kg does that seem right? The only other time I've been weighed in it was at the docks as 4.25 ton but that was 2 adults, large amount of water, fuel, 3 motorbikes and luggage. Oh god I'm not even sure if any of this makes sense. TIA.

 

[mutley75]

Your best way of making sure is to go to a public weigh bridge. Get 3 tickets, 1 for front axle only, 1 for entire truck, 1 for rear axle. This will give you the unladen weight of each axle. The maximum permitted axle weight for each axle will be on the plating certificate (orange/yellow laminated paper), usually on the passenger side somewhere.

 

[Nicnac]

What potential buyers will be interested in is the payload so you need to take it to a weighbridge unloaded and whatever the weight is deducted from 7.5t will give you the payload. A 7.5t weighing 4.25 ton already loaded as per the docks example doesn't sound right unless it has no living and is just a transporter as that would give a 3.25t payload which is huge!

The Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) is the total weight each axle is capable of carrying. The total load on each axle must not exceed its GAWR but doesn't necessarily have any correlation to the actual payload i.e. what weight you can actually load up the truck with.

 

[popsdosh]

What potential buyers will be interested in is the payload so you need to take it to a weighbridge unloaded and whatever the weight is deducted from 7.5t will give you the payload. A 7.5t weighing 4.25 ton already loaded as per the docks example doesn't sound right unless it has no living and is just a transporter as that would give a 3.25t payload which is huge!

The Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) is the total weight each axle is capable of carrying. The total load on each axle must not exceed its GAWR but doesn't necessarily have any correlation to the actual payload i.e. what weight you can actually load up the truck with.

Of course it does because if either axle is overloaded you are illegal.
Front axle weight is a very common problem as when living is built in it tends to make the truck unbalanced and many are very close or over weight on the front axle even empty. You really need a full load on and check the axle weights and then you will know for certain. you could in theory have no payload at all if this figure is exceeded.

I suspect the two figures the OP gave in their post are the brake force on each front wheel as the axle weight is usually quoted as the total weight on axle 1 it will be there somewhere. The braking force then has to be a percentage of max axle weight.

 

[Annie B.]

Thanks for the replies, wagon has luxury living and shower room, payload on purchase was of 2700kg. If I take the wagon to a weigh bridge to weigh the axles how far beyond the front tyres would I put the wagon and how far towards the front of the vehicle from the rear tyres? Or is it literally as long as the tyres are on the weigh bridge?

 

[popsdosh]

Thanks for the replies, wagon has luxury living and shower room, payload on purchase was of 2700kg. If I take the wagon to a weigh bridge to weigh the axles how far beyond the front tyres would I put the wagon and how far towards the front of the vehicle from the rear tyres? Or is it literally as long as the tyres are on the weigh bridge?

just need each axle on the weighbridge in turn as it is the weight exerted by the axle thats important no physics needed That then should add up to the weight of the whole! Does it have a luton?

 

[Louby]

2700kg payload for a 7.5t with full living seems very generous. Most scrape in around the 6t mark, leaving 1500kg payload. My last lorry was 6.2t unladen! leaving me able to carry 2 medium sized horses at a push. Suprisingly the buyer wasnt interested in the weight?? My modern lorry was 5.2t unladen but only had day living. The more modern ones are usually better payload wise as VOSA became hot on weights forcing builders to use lighter materials as there customers were asking for payloads. I did hear of one with all the mod cons weighing in at over 7.5t without a horse in it. For the purpose of selling I would go to a weighbridge and get the basic weight of the wagon unladen, this is all I was asked when I sold my wagons.

 

[popsdosh]

2700kg payload for a 7.5t with full living seems very generous. Most scrape in around the 6t mark, leaving 1500kg payload. My last lorry was 6.2t unladen! leaving me able to carry 2 medium sized horses at a push. Suprisingly the buyer wasnt interested in the weight?? My modern lorry was 5.2t unladen but only had day living. The more modern ones are usually better payload wise as VOSA became hot on weights forcing builders to use lighter materials as there customers were asking for payloads. I did hear of one with all the mod cons weighing in at over 7.5t without a horse in it. For the purpose of selling I would go to a weighbridge and get the basic weight of the wagon unladen, this is all I was asked when I sold my wagons.

I remember an oakley once that went 8.5 unladen on a 7.5 ton chassis back in the days before anybody cared lol.

 

[Louby]

'I remember an oakley once that went 8.5 unladen on a 7.5 ton chassis back in the days before anybody cared lol'


Eeeeeek

 

[popsdosh]

'I remember an oakley once that went 8.5 unladen on a 7.5 ton chassis back in the days before anybody cared lol'


Eeeeeek

Ah but it was a lovely box with mega living ,is that not what mattered!!! Those were the days! Just to think Oakley sent it out like it.

 

[ROG]

On the lorry weight certificate i=usually in the cab on the passenger side will be four weights
Top to bottom weights might be something like this .....

7490 = GVW = the max it can be when fully loaded
12000 = GTW = the max the lorry and trailer can be when weighed together = ignore if not towing
3800 = front axle = the max it can be at any time
4000 = rear axle = the max it can be at any time

The total of front and rear axles will always add up to more than the GVW so as to allow for some positional weight flexibility when loading

To find the payload = what can be put in the entire vehicle = weigh empty on a weighbridge

When loaded take to weighbridge and do 3 weighs = front axle only on w/b then both axles on w/b then rear axle on w/b
Front only and rear only should add up to same as both on

 

[Annie B.]

2700kg payload for a 7.5t with full living seems very generous. Most scrape in around the 6t mark, leaving 1500kg payload. My last lorry was 6.2t unladen! leaving me able to carry 2 medium sized horses at a push. Suprisingly the buyer wasnt interested in the weight?? My modern lorry was 5.2t unladen but only had day living. The more modern ones are usually better payload wise as VOSA became hot on weights forcing builders to use lighter materials as there customers were asking for payloads. I did hear of one with all the mod cons weighing in at over 7.5t without a horse in it. For the purpose of selling I would go to a weighbridge and get the basic weight of the wagon unladen, this is all I was asked when I sold my wagons.

Hhhmmm got my max weights for axles front 3100 and rear 6000 rear, found a weigh bridge 17 miles away so I'll pop down there. Definate pay load of 2700kg on documents as wagon is only 5 years old. Got me a bit worried about keeping an eye on what I may get offered when looking for a new wagon as need more space but don't want to lose much payload. Thanks everyone for your help.x