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Hester123

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Has anyone used Noromectin wormer 0.5% pour on cattle wormer on their horses? I know you can use it but in the pour on form, not sure of dosage and whether it is worth doing it this way. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
I am assuming you know that if you bought the wormer to use on cattle and you use it on a horse you have misled the prescriber of the wormer?
 
I don't know if it can be purchased on line without a herd number, but you certainly cannot buy it via an ag merchant without a herd number.
 
It is a horse wormer too but usually comes in paste form. It (including the pour on) is over the counter and we bought it for our cattle. I have used other cattle stuff, just not this. I have also spoken to my vet about this, who herself has used cattle products on her horses in the past. I am not being as ruthless as I may appear,I promise.
 
The only cattle thing I would use on horses was deosect wipe on fly reprellant as there isn't a similar horse product and the RVC recommended it for my horses specific condition having had good results with it.

But wormers are different as they are available for both species and legally can only be used for the right species. I would use a horse wormer on horses and a cow wormer on cows, since they are available and it breaks the rules if you use them other than what you stated when you bought them. ( and I have had cows and horses at the same time so not just a theoretical thing)

Vets can break rules too but where there is a horse product available it is still breaking the rules
 
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CMMB said:
I am assuming you know that if you bought the wormer to use on cattle and you use it on a horse you have misled the prescriber of the wormer?
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When needs must, it's common practice. Those selling the products, and those manufacturing them, mislead us, daily. ;)

I don't understand why the OP wants to use a pour-on wormer, when a syringe version is readily available, or have I missed the point?

Alec.
 
I am curious due to partly your first comment, and being a little cynical i wonder whether this 'horse'version is simply so 'horse' people buy it and they make more money. Pharmaceutical company's/supermarkets fall in same bracket as far as I'm concerned. But thats another thread another time.

I am mainly curious and wondered initially because i have it already. I am really just researching, I have no intention of using it on my horses.
 
I know a person who used cattle wormer on horse s poured it on along the horse s backs the hair fell out and they were very sore I would rather spend more money and buy the horse wormer .
 
I have used spoton before, not sure if it was Butux. I did a small area test first so as not to have a large sore area as Shergar mentioned, andit was fine with mine. It would be sensible to do that anyway for anything as some horses have quite sensitive skin. The poor owner must have felt awful after putting it on and causing sores.
 
I use coopers spot on for fly prevention and lice removal. ;)

Have you actually looked to see if the active ingredients are exactly the same in noromectin pour on compared to noromectin horse wormer? I do not know anyone who uses cattle wormer on horses, and I am in agriculture, which makes me think its a bad idea. Horses are a bit excitable health wise compared to cattle after all. (I have both).
 
A vet can prescribe a product off-licence i.e. for a use and/or animal for which it is not licensed for, if there is no other suitable product available - this is not breaking the law. The only reason a vet could therefore prescribe a pour-on wormer for a horse would be if the owner could not get it into the horse via the oral route - either paste or in-feed.

I have used Coopers Spot-on off licence in horses before - some tolerate it, others with finer skins find it very irritant for the first 24 - 48 hours.
 
The active ingredient of Swish is Deltamethrin, same as SpotOn.

Just do a bit of Googling for the technical specification and then check again by Googling the product name with the word "horses".

Often the product will be licensed for use on horses overseas but not here, simply because they haven't got around to having it tested to EU standards.
 
There is not a huge amount of resistance to ivermectin. There are reported cases of ivermectin resistant ascarids (the big white worm) and possibly pin worm. The issue is the benzimidazole group and small redworm (cyathostomes).
 
Horses for horses, cattle for cattle, i thought you we just making enquiries and not going to use it and yet you have used spot on, or am i confused.
 
putasocinit said:
Horses for horses, cattle for cattle, i thought you we just making enquiries and not going to use it and yet you have used spot on, or am i confused.
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I have used the spot on but making enquiries about noromectin only. I used spot on because my vet told me to and I am perfectly happy to use some cattle products after I have spoken to a vet. Horse for horse, cattle for cattle because we are governed by the pharmceutical companies who just want to make as much money as they can. Just like the supermarkets. I recently have been advised (by a vet!) to use a dog shampoo on my itchy pony which is brilliant, or should I not bother and let her suffer, dog for dog? I know which I would do.
It's the people who are NOT doing the enquiring that we should be worrying about.
 
Hester123 said:
I have used the spot on but making enquiries about noromectin only. I used spot on because my vet told me to and I am perfectly happy to use some cattle products after I have spoken to a vet. Horse for horse, cattle for cattle because we are governed by the pharmceutical companies who just want to make as much money as they can. Just like the supermarkets. I recently have been advised (by a vet!) to use a dog shampoo on my itchy pony which is brilliant, or should I not bother and let her suffer, dog for dog? I know which I would do.
It's the people who are NOT doing the enquiring that we should be worrying about.
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I'm a farmers daughter and farmer myself; i'm always shocked at the price difference in products for horses and products for other livestock when they contain the same active ingredient. Maybe us farmers are just a bit stingy haha
 
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