Question for Endymion...

[severnmiles]

You're right, but most rural foxes will not risk being near humans/human activities when there is enough for them to eat in the wild.

"foxes can die thru trauma, stress and exhaustion after a chase."

So you bunny brushers say....

 

[Hercules]

''You come across as spiteful and petulant.''

Do you really think that I give a fat rats arse what you think?

''As it happans I live near a gamekeeper who abhors hunting with hounds. he manages a small estate and keeps close tabs on all the coverts in his area. As this area is used for shooting game he does cull the foxes, he claims to know them all v well and says he takes about 3/4 of the eldest per mth depending on the season. He shoots them. As you probably know I dont like shooting either but he has always been a good example of how hunting with hounds is unnessesary even in a farming/shooting area.''

As it happens, the vast majority, in fact all of gamekeepers that I know (a fair few as my father was one) have supported their local hunts wholeheartedly. They used to let the hunt control the fox population on their territory. No longer I am afraid. Now it's out with the snares and fun with the gun.

Should you ever leave suburbia, you will notice the effect that your 'ban' is having on your cuddly little foxes, deer and hares. I am sure that it is not the effect that you and your blinkered mates desired. Unlucky.

I am out lamping tonight. Wish me luck. After all, it's what you wanted.

 

[endymion]

Well, it's proven in many other mammals. How many cats and dogs die thru shock after being hit by a car even tho they sustain no serious injuries? how do you think the physiology of a fox copes after the heat of a chase then the sudden cold of a winters night?

 

[endymion]

Haha, I love winding pro's up!!

I don't live in suburbia, never have. In fact I live in and love London. However, the family home is in Bonnie Scotland. I have an uneasy relationship with my local gamekeeper up there but we talk when we meet and, as a former sheep farmer, he's an endless wealth of info on foxes and hunting. He's pushing 70-ish (at least) so farming has moved on a bit since he was at it but he knows his stuff. In fact a lot of farmers I meet when I'm out and about merely tolerate the hunt on their land and see it as somewhat of an annoyance. Perhaps you don't see this side of things.


My gran was a skinner in a slaughter house, I worked and rode at a rural stables for over 15 yrs, I still go back to ride out with them every boxing and New Years day. I could go on but I have nothing to prove to you. If you are so 'blinkered' as to think every anti is a born and bred clueless townie then it proves that YOU are the one who needs to remove that rather tight blindfold.

 

[severnmiles]

I don't know of any cats or dogs that get hit by a car and receive no serious injuries....sorry!

A neighbour was doing 10mph up her drive and unfortunately ran her dog over (she was devasted), the dog suffered broken hips and cracked ribs...that was just doing 10mph...

 

[severnmiles]

"In fact I live in and love London."

Says it all really...end of!

 

[endymion]

SM, shock, trauma, exhaustion, exposure, all these things will kill mammals sometimes. Pick up a book and check it out, ask ure vet or something....

 

[endymion]

What living in London or loving London?

If it's the former then I've only been here 3 yrs.

If it's the latter then I do love the place. I'm young with no commitments, London is busy, vibrant and full of scandal. It's brilliant.

I've paid my due's shovelling horse-[****] in the cold and rain believe me!

 

[severnmiles]

I didn't say it wouldn't. I said I'm yet to see a dog die from a car incident with no major injuries!

Book? So you're going by theory and not reality again then....

 

[endymion]

Ask your vet then.....

 

[Clodagh]

I agree with more of what Endy is saying here!

In the good old days, how could you tell if a fox was chopped in cover whether it was healthy or sick? I do agree that some older foxes get wise, when we used to hold up the covers you often got a fox that wasn't stopping for someone on a horse!

Stress/exhaustion can kill, too.

I think (sorry, being Grandma here) that sometimes we just disagree with everything the antis say on principle. I still hunt as I feel it benefits more than it causes suffering.

 

[severnmiles]

"In the good old days, how could you tell if a fox was chopped in cover whether it was healthy or sick?"

The proof was in the pudding...or rather when the fox outran the hounds.

 

[Clodagh]

Here in Essex - can't speak for you people with beter country! - the scenting conditions are vital. Its such a cold scenting county that if its good we can catch the fox and if its bad we don't stand a chance.
(Not trying to cause an argument, SM, just a friendly discussion!!)

 

[severnmiles]

Of course!

This is Wales, always two overcoats colder than you folks ;-)

 

[endymion]

erm, I don't know what to say now that someone has kinda agreed with me........ho hum.....