Question for Myjack

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I would hope from the facts gleaned - that when the hearing gets to the High Court a sympathetic, animal loving judge hears the case.

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I would hope that the judge hearing the case will be capable of separating fact from fiction and will preside over this case in a fair manner. I personally don't think that there will be any problem with finding a competent judge.
 
I think you will find that most judges are not overly sentimental and rely on evidence, rather than allowing thier hearts to intervene, so I would agree with Tia.
 
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Well Myjack - As you say the truth will out! I would hope from the facts gleaned - that when the hearing gets to the High Court a sympathetic, animal loving judge hears the case.

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Me too.


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What ever the outcome I certainly would have no wish to leave JG in charge of my horses, dogs, cats, rabbits whatever. As far as I am concerned one dead horse left lying on the premises is one too many!

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Even if the outcome says he didn't leave dead animals lying around?
 
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I would hope that the judge hearing the case will be capable of separating fact from fiction and will preside over this case in a fair manner. I personally don't think that there will be any problem with finding a competent judge.

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I certainly hope so too.
 
But until photo's can be/will be released to show any of the alledged dead horses, it still hasn't been proven if they were removed away from the pens or that the others were standing on/around them. Conflicting reports
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But until photo's can be/will be released to show any of the alledged dead horses, it still hasn't been proven if they were removed away from the pens or that the others were standing on/around them. Conflicting reports
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People don't care about conflicting reports or even logic......if the media or the rspca says so then it must be true.
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But until photo's can be/will be released to show any of the alledged dead horses, it still hasn't been proven if they were removed away from the pens or that the others were standing on/around them. Conflicting reports
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People don't care about conflicting reports or even logic......if the media or the rspca says so then it must be true.
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No, the public may not care about logic or conflicting reports; but a judge will. He will look at ALL of the evidence which is not available to us.
 
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But until photo's can be/will be released to show any of the alledged dead horses, it still hasn't been proven if they were removed away from the pens or that the others were standing on/around them. Conflicting reports
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People don't care about conflicting reports or even logic......if the media or the rspca says so then it must be true.
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No, the public may not care about logic or conflicting reports; but a judge will. He will look at ALL of the evidence which is not available to us.

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I certainly hope so.
 
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I think you will find that most judges are not overly sentimental and rely on evidence, rather than allowing thier hearts to intervene, so I would agree with Tia.

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But I think several people on this thread would love an overly sentimental judge...
 
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I think you will find that most judges are not overly sentimental and rely on evidence, rather than allowing thier hearts to intervene, so I would agree with Tia.

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But I think several people on this thread would love an overly sentimental judge...

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Judges are absolutely NOT over sentimental, they wouldnt last five minutes. Think about how long it takes to become a QC and Judge....years and years.....and then think about how much depravity, filth and twisted nastiness they have to sit through day in day out to actually get to sit as a Judge to start of with.

I think you will all find that judges have seen and heard a great deal more than most of us could dream of.
 
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I think you will all find that judges have seen and heard a great deal more than most of us could dream of.

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That would include the solid veterinary evidence given on the 7th of this month to which the judge ordered all donkeys and shatlands to be returned to the Gray family. However, for that same judge to suspend that order the rspca needed public petitions, outcries, multimedia coverage, threatening emails from the public to certain professionals etc......


THINK about it.
 
As said before - the judge will not be overly sentimental and if he is doing his job in the manner in which it should be done, the petitions, public outcry etc will have had no bearing on his decision. What will have had a bearing on his decision will have been the additional evidence the RSPCA placed before him on Monday.

So why don't YOU think about it too?
 
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As said before - the judge will not be overly sentimental and if he is doing his job in the manner in which it should be done, the petitions, public outcry etc will have had no bearing on his decision. What will have had a bearing on his decision will have been the additional evidence the RSPCA placed before him on Monday.

So why don't YOU think about it too?

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NO additional evidence was put before him on monday. NONE WHAT SO EVER!!

Btw, did you sign the petition? If so why?
 
I assume from that statement that you were there, infront of the judge to see that NO further evidence was presented? Were you in the galleries or on the main floor?

Yes I did sign the petition. I signed it because IMO the horses should stay where they are - with the charities - until a guilty or not guilty verdict is reached, ONLY then should their fates be decided.
 
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Yes I did sign the petition. I signed it because IMO the horses should stay where they are - with the charities - until a guilty or not guilty verdict is reached, ONLY then should their fates be decided.

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Fair enough!!

So tell me - after the evidence was given from both sides - and even the rspca said all shetlands and donkeys were in good condition, and the vet said they were in no danger. Did the JUDGE feel that the grays were guilty of neglecting these animals? Obiviously NOT.

This is the line of THINKING people should be doing before going in to a frenzy and signing petitions.
 
I would have to assume an intimate knowledge of the workings of the judges mind to answer that question, something I am unable - and even if I were able I would be unwilling - to do.

However, as he stayed his original order, Logic would suggest that he felt there was a reasonable enough doubt in his own mind about returning the horses to JG. Ofcourse I am just hypothesising there, I neither know the judge or how his mind works.
 
Believe me - NOTHING about the veterinary reports, any danger to the animals if returned to the grays, etc, persuaded that judge to suspend the forhwith return.
 
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So what do you think DID presuade the judge to change his mind?

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If you read my previous posts (not just on this thread) I'm sure you'll gather as to why I believe the judge made the suspention.
 
Actually I have read your (many) posts and I wouldn't be bothering to ask you if I already knew the answer! Please explain.
 
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Actually I have read your (many) posts and I wouldn't be bothering to ask you if I already knew the answer! Please explain.

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Manipulation tactics.
 
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In what way? and by whom?

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Here just a slight example.

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Many people who are writing to the ILPH will be receiving this email in reply.

Thank you very much for your email concerning recent developments relating to the case in Amersham. We are fully supporting the RSPCA who are pursuing all legal avenues to try to guarantee the future welfare of all the horses, ponies and donkeys involved. Whilst the possible legal options are being explored we are not asking our supporters to take any direct action. We are very mindful that we must not prejudice the legal proceedings, most importantly the criminal proceedings against Mr John James Gray and other members of this family.

However, many of you are as angry and distressed by this situation as we are. Over the coming days we will be looking to identify a clear route for the public to direct this feeling so any resulting action can have <u>maximum impact.</u> As soon as we have a way forward we will contact you to let you know exactly what you can do to help and in the meantime will keep you updated on any progress.

On a more positive note, we are very pleased that a High Court judge has today adjourned a request by James Gray to be granted an emergency injunction to force the immediate return of 29 ponies and donkeys to him. The case has been referred back to District Judge Sandeep Kainth at Oxford Magistrates Court at a date yet to be confirmed. In the meantime the horses will remain in the care of the various welfare agencies involved, including ourselves and the RSPCA.

Visit the ILPH for up to date info!!!

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Certain people who abuse their power, coupled with the media, manipulate the public with lies, and in an indirect way, manipulate the public into a frenzy in order to manipulate some authority figures. Some authority figures have strong minds and determination and will not be manipulated. I hope the next judge will have more determination to do what is right.
 
And putting it into perspective, that was the email that was being sent BEFORE the petition was set up - the avenue for the public was that petition.
 
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And putting it into perspective, that was the email that was being sent BEFORE the petition was set up - the avenue for the public was that petition.

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EXACTLY!!

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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