Racehorse deaths

If they are going to put pictures up of horses which have died then they should do just that. However one of the pictures at least was of a different horse. In fact one of the horses which they have pictured falling ran today!
 
It is sad, but if we where to look closer at the statistics, there would be a much higher percentage of horses that die via field kicks and minor issues each year.

As a young kid, I always thought it was a cruel industry, but as I've got older I've learnt not to form an opinion unless given rock solid evidence from the source itself. One thing I can safely say, is that the care of most racehorses and research that goes into their fitness is far better than what goes on behind closed doors with your horse owners in general.
 
Just because they are absolutely stunning it dosnt make their death any sadder.
And if racing was banned a lot more would be pts.

Perhaps we should have a gallery of all those lovely horses killed out riding and get riding banned !
 
Oh this does my head in, horses die, in racing and look at the amount off horses that die in eventing? Go and look into that? Your would be surprised how many but it don't get the lime light like racing.
Wish people would stop picking on racing :(
 
Horses dying in racing does upset me but if they looked at the amount of horses that died or were PTS from accidents/illness or people just not wanting them anymore then I feel the numbers would be a heck of a lot higher!!

The only thing I DON'T like about racing is the ones that are discarded so young because they don't cut the grade, and end up in slaughterhouses before they're even fully grown :(

That is what i think the racing industry needs to do more about, such a horrible waste although this is generally more flat racing than NH - so many horses in NH racing have been going for years (longer than some of your 'happy hackers' or amatuer competition horses have stayed sound for!). They surely have to be enjoying what they're doing?
 
Little Squirrel said:
If they are going to put pictures up of horses which have died then they should do just that. However one of the pictures at least was of a different horse. In fact one of the horses which they have pictured falling ran today!
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i noticed that too!! accidents happen in all sports, eventing, show jumping and this happens in the field at home sometimes, people who say racing is cruel does not look at that fact.
 
blimey people I'm not having a go, I'm not saying Racing is terrible and should be banned.

I was simply pointing out how photos next to the names makes it so real. Any horse death is sad, be it a racehorse or a 'pet' in the field, and when you see a photo of such a magnificent animal, that the horse is, that has passed on it will always be sad.

Nowhere in my post did I say racing was bad so please dont jump to conclusions and then think it's okay to have a go at me.
 
PMP - death in racing is such an emotive issue, I don't think anyone could post a thread that "sits on the fence" as it were, so I don't think people are having "a go" at you personally

It's only because racing is the (main) horse sport broadcast on tv that it is in the public knowledge. Horses die in all horse sport, and plenty more suffer from ignorant owners.

The general public maybe shocked at cases such as Spindles Farm, but for most it's a case of out of sight out of mind. When a top class racehorse is killed through racing, the public are outraged because it's a sport on tv day in day out.

How many 'non horsey' people know of Amy Tryon's ride Le Samurai?

Sorry, I've had vino (plenty) and intend no disrespect to AT's family following the recent news, but why isn't there public outrage against horses being ridden like that compared to racing when any fatally injured horse is destroyed immediately?

Donning my tin hat, and raising a glass to ALL equines that serve us daily and to those that make the ultimate sacrifice, be it through racing, eventing or neglect.
 
Racing, although classed as 'tradition', is crule and needs to have stricted guidlines, or at least EVERYTHING open to the public and media. The background of racing can be barbaric. I know the horses enjoy racing, it's instinc, fastest horse in nature, doesnt get eaten...natural for horses to race. What I do NOT agree with is the amazing bad treatment of horses behind the scenes...happens all too often. Don't win,..dont get fed,..dont get looked after, either starve or sent to slaughter. Then,...any injury, healable or not,...horse shot. Because time is apprenetly so important. hardly like the onwers are short of money to help and do what it takes to bring the horse back to health,....but time is classed as lost money. These animals are no longer creatures that feel,..they are a way to gain money from greedy 'humans' and do so as quickly as possible. it is sick.
 
What really pees me off is that the FB user group has called themselves "Ban the Grand National". Yet the horses it shows which have been killed haven't been horses killed in the GN! I had someone sitting next to me at work today who said that they didn't agree with the GN because she thinks it's cruel as horses get killed. I pointed out that horses get killed every day racing - just because the GN is a high profile race doesn't mean that it's the only that horses get killed in. They have instant veterinary attention - not like when ours have injuries and we have to wait ages for a vet to appear. No doubt we'll have a "Ban the Grand National" thread on the forum by tomorrow evening.
 
Abz88 said:
Racing, although classed as 'tradition', is crule and needs to have stricted guidlines, or at least EVERYTHING open to the public and media. The background of racing can be barbaric. I know the horses enjoy racing, it's instinc, fastest horse in nature, doesnt get eaten...natural for horses to race. What I do NOT agree with is the amazing bad treatment of horses behind the scenes...happens all too often. Don't win,..dont get fed,..dont get looked after, either starve or sent to slaughter. Then,...any injury, healable or not,...horse shot. Because time is apprenetly so important. hardly like the onwers are short of money to help and do what it takes to bring the horse back to health,....but time is classed as lost money. These animals are no longer creatures that feel,..they are a way to gain money from greedy 'humans' and do so as quickly as possible. it is sick.
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What, just out of curiosity, do you base this statement on? Is this your own personal experience of the industry?
 
Hmmmm I'm sure Charlie Longsdon and other trainers are thrilled about pics being taken from their websites for the clowns that run this page to use in support of banning these trainers livelihood. And Wishful Thinking pictures under the name Abergavenny is alive and well. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but this is pure ignorance
 
I'd be interested to know where you saw this Abz88. My own experience working in the racing industry was somewhat different...

Now, if it was the GROOMS you were talking about... :-) We certainly got treated with a lot less comfort or respect than the horses!!
 
Abz88 said:
Racing, although classed as 'tradition', is crule and needs to have stricted guidlines, or at least EVERYTHING open to the public and media. The background of racing can be barbaric. I know the horses enjoy racing, it's instinc, fastest horse in nature, doesnt get eaten...natural for horses to race. What I do NOT agree with is the amazing bad treatment of horses behind the scenes...happens all too often. Don't win,..dont get fed,..dont get looked after, either starve or sent to slaughter. Then,...any injury, healable or not,...horse shot. Because time is apprenetly so important. hardly like the onwers are short of money to help and do what it takes to bring the horse back to health,....but time is classed as lost money. These animals are no longer creatures that feel,..they are a way to gain money from greedy 'humans' and do so as quickly as possible. it is sick.
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How much stricter would you like the guidelines to be? Racing is the most highly monitored equestrian sport. I think you'll find what goes on behind the scenes at dressage and SJ yards is far worse. Racing is the most transparent sport you can have. What about Rollkur in dressage, leg rapping in SJ? It goes on behind the scenes - why? Because just like you perceive racing to be, dressage, SJ and eventing is all about money at the high levels. Do you consider those sports to be "sick"?
 
Taffyhorse said:
I'd be interested to know where you saw this Abz88. My own experience working in the racing industry was somewhat different...

Now, if it was the GROOMS you were talking about... :-) We certainly got treated with a lot less comfort or respect than the horses!!
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If only there was a like button! We were treated like shite, the horses were treated like royalty! :D
 
Abz88 said:
Racing, although classed as 'tradition', is crule and needs to have stricted guidlines, or at least EVERYTHING open to the public and media. The background of racing can be barbaric. I know the horses enjoy racing, it's instinc, fastest horse in nature, doesnt get eaten...natural for horses to race. What I do NOT agree with is the amazing bad treatment of horses behind the scenes...happens all too often. Don't win,..dont get fed,..dont get looked after, either starve or sent to slaughter. Then,...any injury, healable or not,...horse shot. Because time is apprenetly so important. hardly like the onwers are short of money to help and do what it takes to bring the horse back to health,....but time is classed as lost money. These animals are no longer creatures that feel,..they are a way to gain money from greedy 'humans' and do so as quickly as possible. it is sick.
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Are you a troll??
 
I think the drunk people at the side of the track hurling abuse at the horses is worse than racing itself. Not saying that everyone does that because I go to the races myself with my family and it's a lovely day out :-)
 
I have no experience of racing other than watching but I would have thought if you want your horse to win then it will be extremely well looked after and fed. Hungry, weak and poorly looked after horses are not gonna win you races!!
 
Abz88 said:
Racing, although classed as 'tradition', is crule and needs to have stricted guidlines, or at least EVERYTHING open to the public and media. The background of racing can be barbaric. I know the horses enjoy racing, it's instinc, fastest horse in nature, doesnt get eaten...natural for horses to race. What I do NOT agree with is the amazing bad treatment of horses behind the scenes...happens all too often. Don't win,..dont get fed,..dont get looked after, either starve or sent to slaughter. Then,...any injury, healable or not,...horse shot. Because time is apprenetly so important. hardly like the onwers are short of money to help and do what it takes to bring the horse back to health,....but time is classed as lost money. These animals are no longer creatures that feel,..they are a way to gain money from greedy 'humans' and do so as quickly as possible. it is sick.
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Where do you get these "facts" from? If every horse that does not win gets starved or killed there would not be many horses in training.

If every horse that gets a minor injury is shot again not many in training, the majority of racehorses will suffer from an injury at some point in their career they are not all shot.
Kauto Star had time off due to injury early in his career he was not shot, nor was Denman, Masterminded is back at home following treatment for a probable career ending injury, again not shot and a lot of money spent on surgery to enable him to live rather than just shoot him, which would have been considered. Just a few examples but there are numerous others.

Racing is strictly monitored on and off the course, there is always a risk to the horses and jockeys but to suggest that no one cares about the horses is totally unfair on all the owners, trainers and stable staff involved.
 
I'm not defending anyones view here but my OHs uncle owns a couple of racers and he had to go fetch his horse from a trainers yard after a tip off about it's condition from a groom. It had a tendon problem (they said it just preferred soft ground and were still running him), hadn't had teeth done and was underweight with a sore back. He ended up retired but he was in a poor state upon arrival.... I think my point (as someone who LOVES racing) is that they are not always "treated like kings" and somehow that makes the deaths even worse.
I do tend to stick to supporting the higher level of racing now.
 
Abz 88. I've never worked in the racing industry myself, just at one point socialized with a lot of people who did, but your comments are far removed from the little I do know of racing. Common sense also dictates starving or shooting as a form of punishment wouldn't make sense given the high value of racehorses, even if you do want to believe the worst.
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha you have given me such a laugh Abz88 you obviously know very little about racing. Sure why stop at racing...I'm sure all dressage riders use rollkur, all show jumpers bash their horses legs and all eventers jump fences on broken down horses! And let's not leave out the show riders who stuff their horses to obesity, the happy hackers who know nothing because they don't compete....any other stupid misinformed waffle you'd like to add!
 
Abz88 said:
Racing, although classed as 'tradition', is crule and needs to have stricted guidlines, or at least EVERYTHING open to the public and media. The background of racing can be barbaric. I know the horses enjoy racing, it's instinc, fastest horse in nature, doesnt get eaten...natural for horses to race. What I do NOT agree with is the amazing bad treatment of horses behind the scenes...happens all too often. Don't win,..dont get fed,..dont get looked after, either starve or sent to slaughter. Then,...any injury, healable or not,...horse shot. Because time is apprenetly so important. hardly like the onwers are short of money to help and do what it takes to bring the horse back to health,....but time is classed as lost money. These animals are no longer creatures that feel,..they are a way to gain money from greedy 'humans' and do so as quickly as possible. it is sick.
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excuse me a second, i just need to go and calm down my bloods boiling. i think others have spoken enough on this one. i could write a book in reply to that
 
I have to say not all horses who get hurt are PTS. Viking (an ex racer on my yard) fractured his leg and his syndicate paid for his treatment. He won a few races and now has a great life as a happy hacker. His syndicate come to the yard every now and again and even threw him a birthday party.
I'm sure a number of horses ARE mistreated and do die very needlessly. But like Viking, I'm sure a huge number are loved and cared for.

This isn't a pop at you PMP, I'm always sickened when a horse dies on the track. It really breaks my heart :( but then, it breaks my heart when any horse dies...from a fall on the track, to old age.
 
Abz88 said:
Don't win,..dont get fed,..dont get looked after, either starve or sent to slaughter. Then,...any injury, healable or not,...horse shot.
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That's one of the bizarrest statements I've seen here. :eek: How would that work, do you think? Each race can only be won by one horse, so the rest would starve. And clearly never win a race. :p

Honestly Abz88, I'd stick to posting about topics you know something about if I were you. :rolleyes:
 
Why do people think that the owners are real Bastwards and don't care about their animals,unfortunately some do die racing,but so do the ordinary plodder out hacking. As for ABZ88 go find another forum that would enjoy your drivel and it's a pity that some so called horse rights websites juggle with the truth.:mad::mad::mad:
 
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