danda
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Just watched on TV , won by a british horse Blue Stocking, any one else see the race?
Racing today - Pric Arc de Triomphe
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Ditchjumper2
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Yes I did she was great. But another fatal breakdown on the flat which was sickening.
AdorableAlice
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Had that one in my ITV 7, pity about the rest !
Clodagh
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I had a bet on her. I always support the girls in the Arc! OH is watching the rugby so I haven’t seen it yet.
Time for Tea
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Yes I saw it. Well ridden and she was so tough. Very upsetting about the broken down horse though
Janique
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That's just why, i don't like or support racing anymore...
All those people with their top hats, drinking champagne and congratulating themselves,
they don't give a damn about the broken horse or for the lads looking after him..
The is no worst feeling of bringing the bridle back to the stable without your horse when you are a lad.....
As for the owners, well, they will just buy another one and carry one regardless.
I just have no respect for those people, they really don't give a s----
All those people with their top hats, drinking champagne and congratulating themselves,
they don't give a damn about the broken horse or for the lads looking after him..
The is no worst feeling of bringing the bridle back to the stable without your horse when you are a lad.....
As for the owners, well, they will just buy another one and carry one regardless.
I just have no respect for those people, they really don't give a s----
slimjim86
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Yep I used to love racing but the powers that be don't seem interested in looking into why horses are breaking down, doing anything to help their long-term soundness such as starting them later, investigating the bloodlines that don't stay sound etc. They just keep churning out more and more replacements, to hell with all the ones that find themselves on the scrap heap
Time for Tea
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Yes.
humblepie
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Very sad about Haya Zark. Seems to be a lot of flat horses breaking down. It’s not right to say though that nothing being done as BHA have work ongoing with all fatalities on the racecourse or within 48 hours looked into to research factors to help inform future work. Do totally agree though about those at the races who don’t care and just look to see if they’ve won.
Clodagh
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I doubt the owners of the horse that broke down were partying with champagne.
bonny
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Just this, none of us know how they felt and it seems really insensitive to accuse them of not caring.
Beausmate
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You bet people are looking into horses breaking down. These top horses (and they seem to be becoming much more fragile recently) are worth a lot of money. Haya Zark was due to go to stud next year, so even if the owners only care about the prestige, they're not going to want to lose anymore money than they have to.
Besides, a lot of owners do care about the horses. The stable staff adore them.
And nobody wants to see breakdowns. It's not good for racing, from anyone's point of view.
Anyway, Bluestocking ran a fabulous race, and a great ride from Rossa. Well done!
Besides, a lot of owners do care about the horses. The stable staff adore them.
And nobody wants to see breakdowns. It's not good for racing, from anyone's point of view.
Anyway, Bluestocking ran a fabulous race, and a great ride from Rossa. Well done!
Darcey69
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I turned out much loved horse out in the field Friday night and had to.call the emergency vet Saturday morning as we thought he had suffered a potentially lethal accident. Looks like he will make it, but he is a retired one already. When he was originally retired due to foot issues we bought another - does that make us bad people? Should we also not turn out anymore as it's dangerous? Accidents happen. Racing has it's faults but the majority of the owners connected to Uk and European racing care deeply about their horses in my experience, and the lads and trainers definitely do. Blue Stocking will probably be retired now and live an excellent life in the paddocks at one of Juddmonte's stud farms. She's only 4.
Chiffy
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I only really follow National Hunt racing but Marcus Armytage wrote an article in my weekend paper about Rossa Ryan explaining that he didn’t even intend to be a jockey and now he was about to ride a fancied horse in the Arc.
I decided to watch as I was indoors anyway. Amazing race, great filly. Ryan quoted that she has an unbelievable will to win.
I decided to watch as I was indoors anyway. Amazing race, great filly. Ryan quoted that she has an unbelievable will to win.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Perhaps those who omitted initially to reflect on the horrific loss of a horse in a very high profile race and who instead seemed to be more concerned about the bets they had placed on the race might reflect on how that appears.
Orangehorse
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It is wrong to say people don't care. It certainly affects the atmosphere, no one wants an accident. But as I have always said about racing, there are always at three lots of people, the owner, the trainer, the jockey who are extremely happy at the end of a race. Although 90% of racing is disappointing, that 10% of success makes it worth while, and that is a direct quote.
The horseracing authorities are looking into it and I raised the subject with a trainer, who said that he had bought two horses from France for NH racing and both of them broke a leg on the gallops, needless to say he wouldn't be getting any more from that source. Why? He wasn't sure, although all his horses are turned out after exercise unless in the depths of winter and it was obviously something he was concerned about it.
I was thinking about this - of course it must be the breeding. If you think of all the event horses that go round courses, up and down and jumping, the accident rate is very very low, and although there might occasionally be a tendon injury, I have yet to hear of an event horse just breaking a leg on the flat (it might have happened).
I don't think it is necessarily the age at which racehorses start work, because starting to race at 2 has been the norm all over the world for a long, long time, and a study in Australia found that the starting young actually improved soundness over their working life.
So it is back to breeding lines, and that will take an international approach to sort out.
I wonder if a veterinary university would undertake a study?
The horseracing authorities are looking into it and I raised the subject with a trainer, who said that he had bought two horses from France for NH racing and both of them broke a leg on the gallops, needless to say he wouldn't be getting any more from that source. Why? He wasn't sure, although all his horses are turned out after exercise unless in the depths of winter and it was obviously something he was concerned about it.
I was thinking about this - of course it must be the breeding. If you think of all the event horses that go round courses, up and down and jumping, the accident rate is very very low, and although there might occasionally be a tendon injury, I have yet to hear of an event horse just breaking a leg on the flat (it might have happened).
I don't think it is necessarily the age at which racehorses start work, because starting to race at 2 has been the norm all over the world for a long, long time, and a study in Australia found that the starting young actually improved soundness over their working life.
So it is back to breeding lines, and that will take an international approach to sort out.
I wonder if a veterinary university would undertake a study?
AdorableAlice
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I will choose to ignore that blatant criticism of me other than to advise the ITV 7 is not gambling and no money is involved. I trust that helps you understand what is and what is not gambling.
Far more horses are lost in low profile races and in training yards than those lost in high profile races. Only difference is the media coverage. Many high profile owners, JP and the late Trevor Hemming for instance provide excellent care for their retired horses. Just recently 2 exceptional horses died at grand ages, Istabraq was 31, Bindaree slightly younger.
Quality of life after racing has never been higher than it is now. Take a look at the ROR classes, 30 plus in a class. There is far more suffering going on in hidden away yards and fields than there is when a horse is fatally injured racing. The race horse is dealt with within minutes, unlike the hidden away suffering horses and ponies.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
I hold my hands up that I did not realise that the ITV7 is not gambling. I’m still disappointed but not surprised about the post race chatter which didn’t include a reference to the horrific death on course.
I used to be a racing fan who would be glued to the telly for the big festivals, but the rate of attrition on course and in training now sickens me.
I used to be a racing fan who would be glued to the telly for the big festivals, but the rate of attrition on course and in training now sickens me.
minesadouble
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I'm fairly confident in saying that the fatality rate has actually dropped in the last 20 years. So are you saying you were unaware of the fatalities previously or has your viewpoint just changed over the years when you say it 'now' sickens you?
I'm not being facetious just wondering whether it is increased reporting the that has now made you sickened by the sport.
neddy man
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Oh how I miss EOAS on this type of thread.
Time for Tea
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Good to hear that the rate of fatalities has dropped, and I hope that efforts continue up to be made to avert these tragedies, both in training and in races.
I think, as I see it, horse racing is a contradictory sport. It contains a kind of magic that draws you in. There are the crowds, in their jazzy finery. The famous old courses, the history, the betting, the buzz, the money flowing, the joy, the anxiety.
Then of course there are the horses, the most beautiful creatures on earth, bred and refined to the pinnacle of possibilities, parading their power. The sheer, exhilarating, impossible, thrilling speed of them, straining life and limb to please, just to please the demands of the predator perched on their back.
And then everyone dashed to earth, the crushing realisation hammered home that in the midst of celebrating one of the most triumphant moments in life, death has intervened.
It is two sides of the same coin. No wonder it stirs us, and also sometimes revolts us.
I think, as I see it, horse racing is a contradictory sport. It contains a kind of magic that draws you in. There are the crowds, in their jazzy finery. The famous old courses, the history, the betting, the buzz, the money flowing, the joy, the anxiety.
Then of course there are the horses, the most beautiful creatures on earth, bred and refined to the pinnacle of possibilities, parading their power. The sheer, exhilarating, impossible, thrilling speed of them, straining life and limb to please, just to please the demands of the predator perched on their back.
And then everyone dashed to earth, the crushing realisation hammered home that in the midst of celebrating one of the most triumphant moments in life, death has intervened.
It is two sides of the same coin. No wonder it stirs us, and also sometimes revolts us.
Maddie Moo
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France Galop are investigating Haya Zara’s death - results will be back in 10 days. This is the translated press statement.
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Clodagh
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That’s beautifully put. I rarely bet as I think it demeans the beautiful animals to make it all about money.
I have no problem with people that do, as it keeps the sport going for me.
Smitty
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Well, years ago my ex was in a syndicate with a little mare who did well in lower grade hurdle races. They put her to a good stallion and bred a dear little chap who went on to be placed and win at a couple of West Country tracks. Sadly he fell in a hurdle race at Chepstow when landing in the lead at the penultimate fence and broke his leg. It was about 16 years ago and I can't remember how many of us went home totally gutted. I'm including the trainer, a one man band and her best horse, the jockey, not a hugely famous one, my sister who had ridden him out, OH who has only ever been to Chelt festival since where he won't see a horse in the flesh and another couple of chaps in the syndicate who had been there from day 1.
His mum, now roughly 30, wanders around at my sister's place and gets lots of carrots.
I have a miniscule share in an Owners Group horse who has been entered in a Grade 1 chase at Chepstow on Sat. I hope and pray his lovely trainer says going too soft and pulls him out. Whatever, I won't watch.
Orangehorse
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So the French horse didn't break his leg, it was a hemorrhage, but that could mean either heart or internal. Sadly, probably just one of those things.
Every horse is inspected by vets when they arrive at the racecourse.
Every horse is inspected by vets when they arrive at the racecourse.
Ditchjumper2
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I certainly thought it had as the near hind was swinging oddly but maybe as a result of the haemorrhage.
Maddie Moo
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I watched the jockey cam from the race, assuming they’d cut the moment out (which they didn’t - definitely wasn’t expecting it to be kept in!) he went very uncoordinated which is very classic of haemorrhaging - the jockey shouted to the other riders to warn them to clear a path, otherwise I think it could have been much worse with other horses brought down.
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Janique
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I know that some owners do like and care for their horses, also the trainer and lads do too.
But i worked in Pau ( France) for one meeting over the winter, they have NH racing and the ground is usually terrible et boggy.
So many horse were injuried, nearly one in every race, it was just too much for me. Young horses having their first race and falling everywhere.
Here in Switzerland, they have banned the whip in flat racing and reduced the use of the whip for the trotting horses too.
I really hope that one day, they will ban 2 years old racing here, they usually have only 4 starters and not long ago another broke a leg.
Don't tell me that it is right for a 2 years old to race, as horses mature slowly..... They are broken at 18 months are so small, even the
stable's lad are too heavy for them....
But i worked in Pau ( France) for one meeting over the winter, they have NH racing and the ground is usually terrible et boggy.
So many horse were injuried, nearly one in every race, it was just too much for me. Young horses having their first race and falling everywhere.
Here in Switzerland, they have banned the whip in flat racing and reduced the use of the whip for the trotting horses too.
I really hope that one day, they will ban 2 years old racing here, they usually have only 4 starters and not long ago another broke a leg.
Don't tell me that it is right for a 2 years old to race, as horses mature slowly..... They are broken at 18 months are so small, even the
stable's lad are too heavy for them....
Crazy_cat_lady
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The amount Amo Racing are spending at the sales is obscene- not just one horse either
Wonder what will happen to those horses if they aren't any good
I think Time for Tea summed it up perfectly
Wonder what will happen to those horses if they aren't any good
I think Time for Tea summed it up perfectly
bonny
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It’s Amo racing and it shows how the racing industry is doing just fine at the top, there is a lot of money and jobs involved and us mere mortals can look forward to seeing these horses run next year. Maybe one of them will prove to be a champion and that’s the kind of money it takes to buy the top yearlings.