ragwort I have had it with the myths

If you look at the science animals are not poisoned by plants they encounter naturally. They all have a level of resistance that prevents this happening. We know very very clearly that small doses have no effect from the biochemistry.

Ok, lets look at this differently: This animal is encountering quite a number of plants naturally - what sort of dose do you think this horse will receive?

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They will eat ragwort if they have no grazing. You can see this horse is trying to eat grass, but there ain't much of it around huh? Then you have other variables/worries: Our old landowner knew nothing about horses and used to come in and cut the field, leaving hundreds of ragwort plants scattered around that we then had to go around and clear up. He wouldn't stop this practice, as he wanted the field to look tidy - this is what owners are often up against!

I should say that this type of pasture, as I have explained previously, is VERY common up in the North East and no doubt in many other areas of the country. The horse that I know that died of liver damage was kept in a paddock like this. The owner could not be arsed to manage the paddock, nor I guess had the time or money to do so, had they had the inclination.

Some responsible owners also have horses in paddocks like this. I was one of them; my horse was in a paddock adjacent to the one in which the horse died and it also looked like this when we first moved there. We didn't have alternative pasture. For about 4 - 5 years, my family and I conscientiously cleared the paddock of ragwort each year until we had a ragwort free field. Perhaps you can understand that most horse owners don't want their fields to end up looking like this, and many of them are on similarly challenging pasture - often overgrazed in the past with no budget to improve it in the future. Therefore, if we see Ragwort, it goes! We don't all have access to acres of beautifully managed, predominantly grass-species rich fields.
 
It is interesting what happens when someone signs into the board and appears to be a foreigner ..

Complete rubbish. This is an international board with many nationalities. Most of us get on perfectly well with one another. The pretty universal dislike of Esther is nothing to do with where she's from, as has been mentioned.
 
Still not listening then.
I always find that people who are losing an argument are the first to shout that they are being picked on.
And as others have pointed out there are posters from all over the globe who don't seem to have your problem.
 
If you look at the science animals are not poisoned by plants they encounter naturally. They all have a level of resistance that prevents this happening. We know very very clearly that small doses have no effect from the biochemistry.

I think you need to change your user name Mr Scientist.

I know personally of a horse on good grazing which died after eating the neighbour's yew hedge. There are horses dying right now of acorn ingestion and the New Forest is flooded with pigs at acorn time every year to prevent it. I have a horse in dense pasture that will eat ragwort even though it is toxic. Some wort plants are highly palatable but known to cause severe photosensitivity. Grass sickness is caused by horses eating .... grass ...... which is toxic without them being able to detect it. The list goes on.

You give your horses, if you own any, access to either ragwort or lush pasture as you wish. I and others have no intention of following your advice.

Where ARE you getting your information from?
 
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TO BE HONEST WETENSCHAPPER I DON'T CARE IF DEATH BY RAGWORT IS NOT A COMMON THING! ONE DEATH IS ONE TOO MANY!

First of all, and remember you were criticizing Esther for her poor English, the correct word is "cumulative" not "accumulative" if you get a good dictionary there is a difference.
This really does betray the fact that you are not familiar with the scientific publications, if you were you would not have made that mistake.

ac·cu·mu·la·tive (-kymy-ltv, -l-tv)
adj.
1. Characterized by or showing the effects of accumulation; cumulative.
2. Tending to accumulate.
ac·cumu·la·tive·ly adv.
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ac·cu·mu·la·tive adjective \ə-ˈkyü-m(y)ə-ˌlā-tiv, -lə-\
: growing or increasing over time

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1
: cumulative <an age of rapid and accumulative change>
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: tending or given to accumulation
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&#8212; ac·cu·mu·la·tive·ness noun
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to gather or become gathered together in an increasing quantity; amass; collect
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I am not a scientific person, however I am well qualified in my field of looking after horses - I have letters after my name too! I will remove and advise my students to remove ALL Ragwort plants to ensure that there is absolutely NO RISK of the horse eating it. Why tempt fate!


Not all fungi are poisonous but we don't try each one to find out which is the one safe to eat. We remove them to prevent children from eating them.

As to my error regarding Ragwort not being native to UK - I did read that in the early days of internet search engines. It may not have mentioned that there were different varieties of Ragwort.

I think it is you scientists that are hysterical we don't care we just remove it.

And I personally don't have a lot of time for some scientists - they gave us thalidomide, nuclear bombs, aspartame, told us Soy was a wonder food, but it isn't it's causing major problems.

You don't always get it right!

Now several of us changed the subject on this thread to lighten it and you have come back in and upset the whole thing again.

I'm sure I have the support of fellow HHO's - please go away, don't bother us anymore and allow us to be hysterical about Ragwort world wide should we wish to be. We value the welfare of our horses far more than that of a moth!
 
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All my toffee-nosed terms were borrowed from British literature and comedy. The Major in Fawlty Towers used "bad eggs" for example and most of the rest is as I said Bertie Wooster.

Oh, you borrow your phrases from the Major in Fawlty Towers?? DEFINITELY not even a hint of racism intended then. My mistake.
 
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Tnavas - my internet connection is v patchy - I can't see any picture on your link, only the words (so I was assuming there was something else?).
All I know of Professor Knottenbelt (besides papers he's written) is that he gave my vet a lot of help and advice after my horse sustained a very complex and unique injury, and never charged a penny. He was v helpful and knowledgeable and I've always been grateful :)
 
Tnavas - my internet connection is v patchy - I can't see any picture on your link, only the words (so I was assuming there was something else?).
All I know of Professor Knottenbelt (besides papers he's written) is that he gave my vet a lot of help and advice after my horse sustained a very complex and unique injury, and never charged a penny. He was v helpful and knowledgeable and I've always been grateful :)

Doh! Forgot the link

http://www.liv.ac.uk/equine/team/derek-knottenbelt/
 
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