Ragwort - incorrect labelling on agrochemical sprays

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I was studying several websites looking for the appropriate chemical spray to kill/control creeping buttercup. On one site, I happened to see a reference to ragwort. I don't have a problem with the weed, but I like to keep up-to-date on any information regarding its eradication. There was a note at the end of this particular entry which I quote: "It is important that all livestock are kept out of treated areas for at least two weeks following treatment and until the ragwort has died and become unpalatable." I must have re-read that sentence a dozen times, because I knew it was wrong. I rang the company and spoke to someone on their helpline. I told him that ragwort is unpalatable in the green, but becomes palatable when it dies, retaining its toxicity. The gentleman insisted that in order for the weed to be poisonous it has to retain plant juices. I explained that brown, dried ragwort in hay is one of the most dangerous, cumulative toxins known to livestock. I mentioned the work of a very prominent, world famous scientist in Liverpool, whose work on ragwort poisoning is the gold standard on the subject, and who would corroborate my assertions. After chatting for a few more minutes, the gentleman said his company has never had a problem in 50 years. He suggested I contact the scientist regarding this subject. He said he would be happy to discuss the matter with him. I told him I would do just that.

As soon as I got off the phone, I rang Liverpool (I'm purposely not mentioning any names) and spoke to a secretary. She suggested that I send her an email detailing my conversation with the helpline person at the agrochemical company. I immediately sent her details of my conversation with the gentleman concerned and the sentence I quoted above which appears on the chemical container.

At 10:30 this morning, I received a telephone call. It was the renown scientist saying he had read the company's website and incorrect information. He said he had just spent an hour on the phone with the helpline man and, as a result of their conversation, the labelling on the chemical container was being changed regarding the company's assertion that ragwort is unpalatable when it is dead. He thanked me for drawing his attention to this matter. Needless to say, I was gobsmacked to received that personal call.

This evening, as I continued my search for an appropriate chemical to eradicate creeping buttercup, I found another chemical, from a different company, using the identical quote regarding ragwort's 'unpalatability' when dead. I have just sent them an email asking them to change that information and why. Interestingly, this same company has another herbicide, which acts against ragwort, and the instructions on that container state that all sprayed ragwort MUST be removed from the sward because when dead it becomes more palatable, yet retains its very toxic properties.

Please, everyone, when using chemicals to eliminate noxious weeds from your fields, check the copy on the containers for seriously incorrect information to the consumer and alert the manufacturer.
 
Well done, what an interesting finding and very worrying.

I have geese who are brillant at removing buttercups and in addition act as a deterant to anyone entering the field, they love the fleshy roots of buttercup, when we moved in I had masses in the field, now there are none!
 
Well done, what an interesting finding and very worrying.

I have geese who are brillant at removing buttercups and in addition act as a deterant to anyone entering the field, they love the fleshy roots of buttercup, when we moved in I had masses in the field, now there are none!

I would love to have some geese, however, my OH had a very nasty experience with an 'attack' goose as a youngster and is not very enamoured of them. If I thought I could contain them at night without compromising my husband's distaste for them, I'd have several in a heart beat! I'd much prefer a natural buttercup eradication solution to a chemical one.
 
Hats off to you!

I would grab the scientist and ask him which is the best chemical for killing creeping buttercup while you've got his ear. :D
 
Hats off to you!

I would grab the scientist and ask him which is the best chemical for killing creeping buttercup while you've got his ear. :D

Thanks! I was so stunned when he identified himself on the phone I must have sounded like a mumbling child! The fact that he contacted me less than 24 hours from his receipt of the email to his secretary just blew me away. Then, when he thanked me I just dissolved. It will be very interesting if the second company tries to humour me and dismiss my assertion re: dead ragwort's palatability the way the first company did. Do I dare and tell you that a friend of mine suggested I ring the helpline man and just say nani, nani, boo, boo over the phone?
 
Well done you for persisting.

My mother contacted professor K's office once for ragwort related advice, and also received a personal response from him. He is extremely dedicated to raising awareness of this insidious menace, very admirable.
 
Well done you for persisting.

My mother contacted professor K's office once for ragwort related advice, and also received a personal response from him. He is extremely dedicated to raising awareness of this insidious menace, very admirable.

Thank you. I think people in his position tend to leave correspondence with the likes of us to secretaries. That is why I was so taken aback when he rang and identified himself. All the more power to him, and his ilk, for taking a very human approach and getting others, like us, involved. My OH always goes to the top when he feels a representative of a company has somehow shortchanged him (and I'm not referring to money), and in so doing, shortchanges that company. People at the top of their game, who know how to connect to those who look up to them, have the greatest ability to command respect and admiration.
 
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