ragwort poisioning

Can't find the original posts jen. What was it about? I (sadly) have extensive lay experience of ragwort poisoning in horses having adopted a rescued mare last summer who was very, very close to death following ragwort poisoning that her previous owners had ignorantly allowed to happen. I have pulled her back froom the brink and she is currently ok though you need to remember (a) she ISN'T ok as her liver is permanently damaged (b) the fact that she has been pulled back from the brink is partly due to her being a hardy gypsy cob, partly due to expert dietary and management advice DIRECT from Prof Knottenbelt and partly due to my local vets performing a "liver flush" to clear her liver of any remaining circulating toxins (c) she may now survive another 20 yrs or 20 months or 20 weeks. Nobody knows. But she is happy, alert, eating well and has put on weight. She still suffers terrible photsensitivity and has to be brought in every day during the summer to protect her from the most terrible burns to her face. Don't think sunburn, think radiation burns. We all need to remember that ragwort poisoning CANNOT be reversed. All we can do is either prevent it happening in the first place or stop any further progression dead in its tracks through diet and management. Even then, the outcome is uncertain and owners of affected horses will need to always watch for signs of deterioration. Prof K tells me that the horse will clearly let its owner know if the time has come when enough is enough. Thank god my girl is not in that position at the moment. Because I don't know what the original post said jen (please don't tell me someone posted that ragwort poisoning can be cured) I don't know if there's any more info I can give but if anyone wants to PM me please do x
 
I remember reading this and i thought there was some remarks that where un called for.
This just says it all really
maybe people will think twice before saying such narsty comments .
I know many people are concerered about the ponys welfare but must find out proper research before saying such things !!!!
 
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I remember reading this and i thought there was some remarks that where un called for.
This just says it all really
maybe people will think twice before saying such narsty comments .
I know many people are concerered about the ponys welfare but must find out proper research before saying such things !!!!

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I take it that is directed at me.
Ok, maybe I have said a few things that were out of order, but I was not alone in doing so. If she had been honest from the outset and told us the background of these ponies then she would have got a straight answer, instead she seemed to make it up as she went along. Her horse management shills leave a lot to be desired, that is evident from her pictures and her past posts. I am FULLY aware of the dangers and symptoms of ragwort poisoning, and would never allow any of my horses to come into contact with it. If she had said that the ponies came from a dodgy dealer with ragwort infested fields, instead of telling us they were from a friend, then maybe she would have had the answer on the first page. I still believe that to have two ponies with identical symptoms within 24 hours is highly unlikely, so there is some other factor involved here and that we probably will never find out. Bottom line is, unless she learns to tell the facts straight from the start, she will always appear to be making it up as she goes along. I truly hope that before she gets another pony, she goes away and has a good think about what she can do to improve her chances of having a healthy pony, and that not only includes her own management, but also where she is purchasing them from. I've looked at this case, not as a one instance, but as a bigger picture, taking into account other things that she has written and that is why it is concerning.
 
its not just you that said a few narsty comments
this person is seriously think about giving up due to the nasty comments said
and i hold my hands up and say that im not perfect at equine management and i expected a lot of people could
im just saying that maybe a little more research wouldnt go a miss and a proper straight story to make life easyer in understanding coming from the poster side
im not in any way arrgueing and not directing it at anyone
 
would you say this to anyone that comes on here to ask if they should get vet out
before even talking to vet
for any illness or lameness?
 
TBH, I was one of those posting, and what made me sick to my stomach is that 3 ponies are dead, the first one could also have been ragwort poisoning as I believe he was blind which is one of the symptoms, he was also in a lot of pain apparently, IF his problem had been identified at the time it is possible that the other two need not have died, or at the very least, a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided. We are horselovers first and this was about horses, deja seemed to think it was about her and the reason it became so heated is that she appeared to make excuses for lack of proper management and showed no real remorse for the death of these poor little mites but seemingly adopted an 'it's not my fault' stance. No wonder people were upset.

If deja had been completely honest right from the beginning, I don't believe she would have got the stick she did. However she DID seem to be making it up as she went along, so it is hardly surprising that people reacted in the way they did.

I also think that it would be a good thing for her not to have horses for a while, at least not until she has the proper knowledge to manage them properly.
 
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would you say this to anyone that comes on here to ask if they should get vet out
before even talking to vet
for any illness or lameness?

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Get a life, have you not read what I stated above
 
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its not just you that said a few narsty comments
this person is seriously think about giving up due to the nasty comments said
and i hold my hands up and say that im not perfect at equine management and i expected a lot of people could
im just saying that maybe a little more research wouldnt go a miss and a proper straight story to make life easyer in understanding coming from the poster side
im not in any way arrgueing and not directing it at anyone

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I hope she does give up untill she can learn to look after horses properly!!
 
I was going to say to get a life but im not going to your level
and i wouldnt like to say what that was !!!!!!!
The reason the girl came on here is to get advice like anyone else .
It was a mistake not getting advice from vet about there condition but any person on this sight asked for advice before contacting there vet .
If you look at the facts
she would of mistaken it for sunburn which she did say she applyed suncream .
it does say it can be mistaken for something different
I dont know what your problem is with this girl but i think its nasty and snottyness and i think your the one who needs to get a life .
 
I personally think that it did get a bit out of hand and that some very nasty things were said....... but....... if you are going to come onto an open forum and say some of the things that were said in that thread.. then you are asking for it.
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You need to be very clever to get away with making it up as you go along.... you always get caught out in the long term, or in this case the short term.

To constantly backtrack and say you have done whatever is being suggested, when it is obvious that you havent done it, is just stupid.

I think that the best thing all round is for her to go and do a course or help out at a nice yard, and learn a bit more of what to look for in a healthy horse/pony and how to keep them healthy. Also how to look after them if they become sick.

Until then, I am afraid that I agree with other forum users, that she should not have full control of another animal.

I am sure she is not a cruel person, far from it, but that she is lacking in the knowledge that would allow her to pick a healthy animal to start off with, therefore has a huge disadvantage in keeping one healthy.
 
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I was going to say to get a life but im not going to your level
and i wouldnt like to say what that was !!!!!!!
The reason the girl came on here is to get advice like anyone else .

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In response to first your paragraph, I have a life thankyou.Why do you feel the need to get personal, you don't know me and you obviously haven't read what I have written.
Which brings me onto the second paragraph, lots of people ask for advice and get it, that's how you learn. This particular person never told the whole story right from the start and when she was questioned about it, instead of giving a straight answer, she started with the silly answers. Please go back and read the thread about her ponies getting colic and you will see what I mean.
I have absolutely no problem with anyone asking for advice, which is what you were implying. I can't stand people who don't tell the truth though.
 
i think it's more that she isn't very good at explaining herself. as for you saying she said both ponies had the same symptons(sp) at the same time she didn't. what she said swas the first pony had all the symptons so they then blood tested the other which liver was going to same way as the other. so they made the decision to have her PTS before she got to the same stage as the first.
 
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would you say this to anyone that comes on here to ask if they should get vet out
before even talking to vet
for any illness or lameness?

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I have not posted on this forum too many times, however, I would suggest you take a look at the feedback that I've given to people asking for advise on here (deja postes excluded) and then tell me the above. I take offence at your snotty comment, so I suggest you hit the search button on my profile and have a look. And as for deja, then I suggest you have a good read of her 'urgent advice' post and maybe you will see why so many people questioned her integrity.
 
i have spoken to ilph and they have told me i have notting to worry about they have the vets name ect and they praised me for rescuing the ponies. and said i have done my best for them and thre was notting any one could have done
 
Your posts have been deleted now, so is that because the pony's plight is being investigated? You said you purchased them from a friend so I hope you gave their details over and be a little more careful about where you go looking for ponies in the future. I have rescued several ponies over the years and one in particular was very bad. However, he was under constant veterinary care from the moment he arrived and although it took a very long time to turn him around, he ended up a happy and healthy pony. Rescuing ponies is never an easy task, so maybe next time it would be better to leave it to someone with more experience and get yourself onto a horse management course before you decide to get another one.
 
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