skewby
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Yes absolutely, a false outline unfortunately fools a lot of people and I presume that's why they do it
<rant alert> why do people over bit horses!?
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tallyho!
Following a strict mediterranean diet...
it makes me so mad! a girl that i know rides her 4 year old in a grakle nose band, a single jointed pelam with roundings and a running martingale. poor thing, shes hardly light in the hand either!
i know, i know its her horse she can do what she wants with it but i just think if you have to put tack like that on a 4 year old thats not good.
she broke the horse herself last year and has had gadgets (always lunges in a passoa(sp?)) on and off it ever since.
correct me if im wrong but id much rather teach my horse to be ridden lightly in a softer bit than strap it up.
rant over. thanks for listening
Yarp - a bit much for a babber. Definitely wouldn't try any of that.
Hate grackles - what is the point?
Hate jointed pelhams - what is the point?
Hate roundings - what is the point?
Hate running martingales - what is the point?
Hate pessoas - what is the point?
Hope you get my drift...
skewby
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Totally
DragonSlayer
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I have spend £1,000's on lessons, horse has been schooled, not just by me, to an inch.
This horse was hammered into the ground by previous owner,just because they could. She is a stress-head, although not as bad as before. When she arrived, she had a 3-ring gag on, and a grackle, to which I cannot abide, like you cannot abide the pelham and the flash.
At 16 years old, the point must be made....the horse is unwilling to accept anything else, and on a safety note, I will ride my horse in a bit she respects.
Unfortunately skewby, your reputation preceedes you, and you have not been (like me) an angel on these boards in the past with questions, and answers.
However, if you feel your question was valid, then I have given my answer.
I don't give a monkeys what people think about me riding my horse in what I do, it works. I am safe, and she is my horse.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Grackles - stop a horse crossing its jaw to evade the contact of the bit when in excitable situations (XC for example).
Jointed pelhams - well for every bit, there's a horse it suits, and at the end of the day the severity of a bit is in the rider's hands.
Roundings - allow the rider to use some curb action if the horse evades by raising his head above the point where the normal points of the mouth are used for control. Suitable for more novice riders or youngsters who can't cope with a handful of reins.
Running martingales - again, help to keep control of a horse which raises its head above the point where the bit can act on the preferred pressure points in the mouth. Running martingales also allow the rider to give the rein, and thus let the horse bascule over a jump. I'm not so keen on standing martingales myself.
Pessoas - are an aid to help the horse work the correct muscles - to engage behind, round through the back, and lift the forehand (eventually
).I never understood the need to criticise other riders or their choice of tack - it's sort of the equivalent of back seat driving (and often these armchair critics can't ride to save themselves).
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HorseGirl18
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must admit - that is a good one!
Tnavas
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Ignorance
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No-one should use a flash with any bit that has a curb chain - the flash strap forces the curb chain up onto the jawbone making it very painful for the horse. They actually serve no purpose - a curb bit stays with the bottom jaw no matter how wide a horse opens it's mouth. A nice extra wide cavesson will do a better job of keeping the mouth shut.
Not all supposedly 'Stronger' bits are harsh - the action is different - I would far rather see a keen horse in a mullen mouth pelham and roundings, a Kimblewick or an Uxeter than to see someone sawing on the horse in a snaffle. It's a myth that snaffles are the mildest bits, Their action alone tells you this. They compress against the side of the jaw as the bit folds, put pressure on the tongue and bars and then put on a running martingale and you add a downward pull that pushes the joint into the roof of the mouth. Their role in life is to raise the horses head.
A pelham, kimblewick or Uxeter works on the poll and the jaw, encouraging the horse to drop it's head, most have space to allow for the tongue, there is no compression on the cheeks of the horse. The basic action is on the bars alone. If the horse ignores the aid and the bit shanks move more than 45° then the curb chain comes into action, acting as a fulcrum it puts pressure on the poll.
TBH I don't like Pessoas as the action on the bit by the ropes around the quarters is of a sawing nature - I like mine to work into a still soft contact like what I can achieve with side reins. I'm in the process of rebreaking my Clydie because she has no mouth - she spent a lot of time being lunged in a Passoa - unfortunately I wasn't aware this was happening until too late.
HAnging cheek snaffle have no poll pressure and are definately not gags! When the rein is used the bit moves back & up and the cheek pieces become slack. It's actio is that of one of the milder snaffles - It hangs in the mouth, doesn't rotate the mouthpiece and is a very quiet & still bit. It's action is almost the same as the Fulmer.
The Wilkie just gives a mild poll pressure which just helps a young rider with little strnght in their legs to have the pony remain in a more controllable shape. Would you prefer to see the rider run off with? I'd rather see them safe.
Impatience
Fashion Trend
No-one should use a flash with any bit that has a curb chain - the flash strap forces the curb chain up onto the jawbone making it very painful for the horse. They actually serve no purpose - a curb bit stays with the bottom jaw no matter how wide a horse opens it's mouth. A nice extra wide cavesson will do a better job of keeping the mouth shut.
Not all supposedly 'Stronger' bits are harsh - the action is different - I would far rather see a keen horse in a mullen mouth pelham and roundings, a Kimblewick or an Uxeter than to see someone sawing on the horse in a snaffle. It's a myth that snaffles are the mildest bits, Their action alone tells you this. They compress against the side of the jaw as the bit folds, put pressure on the tongue and bars and then put on a running martingale and you add a downward pull that pushes the joint into the roof of the mouth. Their role in life is to raise the horses head.
A pelham, kimblewick or Uxeter works on the poll and the jaw, encouraging the horse to drop it's head, most have space to allow for the tongue, there is no compression on the cheeks of the horse. The basic action is on the bars alone. If the horse ignores the aid and the bit shanks move more than 45° then the curb chain comes into action, acting as a fulcrum it puts pressure on the poll.
TBH I don't like Pessoas as the action on the bit by the ropes around the quarters is of a sawing nature - I like mine to work into a still soft contact like what I can achieve with side reins. I'm in the process of rebreaking my Clydie because she has no mouth - she spent a lot of time being lunged in a Passoa - unfortunately I wasn't aware this was happening until too late.
HAnging cheek snaffle have no poll pressure and are definately not gags! When the rein is used the bit moves back & up and the cheek pieces become slack. It's actio is that of one of the milder snaffles - It hangs in the mouth, doesn't rotate the mouthpiece and is a very quiet & still bit. It's action is almost the same as the Fulmer.
The Wilkie just gives a mild poll pressure which just helps a young rider with little strnght in their legs to have the pony remain in a more controllable shape. Would you prefer to see the rider run off with? I'd rather see them safe.
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