Rant: Bad day at Local show (Long!)

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..... but very good horse!!!

Now before I begin please understand that this post is purely to get my frustrations out, as while I will explain the best as I can, sometimes we all use the wrong words and it doesn't come across the way we planned and can be interpreted lots of different ways. So if you're going to start ranting back at me I'd rather you just left now. BTW this is verrry long. 
So, I went to a local show at the weekend, it was combined training. As per the schedule they were running 4 classes.

Two Combined training classes and two purely dressage classes.
The prelim dressage and prelim combined training were judged together (Not stated on the schedule), and same with the novice section, even though they were running an 'offer' that you could pay a reduced price to enter a combined training and a purely dressage class of the same level. Thank god I didn't pay that extra like I was going too because I would still have only had my one turn and wouldn't have been judged any differently.
Clearly I am mistaken that running separate classes means you get separate scoring and separate class times!!
I have been to combined training before at a more prestigious centre and have never seen it run like this.

Anyway, so the bad disorganisation meant I was one of the last people to leave even though I was only doing class 1.
I warmed up happily, and then went in for my dressage. I thought it had gone very well. Our transitions were perfect and in the correct places and naturally my horse has beautiful paces which were commented on by a handful of people on the day.

We usually score very well in dressage despite me never asking him to come down onto the bit. He rounds very nicely and does not plod round like a giraffe but I hate seeing people who see-saw their horses mouth in order to get the effect, however as I say my horse rounds very well, and maybe with a slight more encouragement forward and collection of the reins would be encouraged down. Though this has barely reflected in our scores before but always mentioned in the comments below.
However, when I retrieved my score sheet, all it said in every box was 'HOLLOW', with markers copying the comment down from one box to another. No mention of our paces, my riding, or transitions. I was one very grumpy person. Even more so when I was placed behind a lady who jumps very well, but whose horse runs round like a giraffe, and whom I know did not learn her test.

I also compared my sheet to my last dressage test there, and my score was approx 4% higher than my last one, where I knew my horse had done badly because he was not going forwards and was being intermittently lame due to a sore back. I knew my test was almost spot on compared to my last one!
Then we moved onto the jumping phase.
I walked the course correctly, whether is 1ft or 3 ft I walk it the same, and thank god I did because there was eight human strides between a double. I deduced that either they meant to make 2 strides and didn't account for takeoff and landing, or they just went ahead and got 1 stride wrong. I decided to push my boy forward and go for the 1 stride. Thanks to this oversight in course walking, every other horse jumped 1 & 1/2 or 2 small, or came back to trot in a tizz to jump the second part, many of them knocking the second part.
From this you came off the right rein to a jump on the diagonal. However the line of recovery was hindered by a jump on the centre line. You then had to make a left kind of turn (too small to be a dogs leg, but enough to be awkward) to jump the fence that I guess was supposed to be in line with the fence on the diagonal. (We decided to jump the diagonal jump at an angle to avoid confusion)

Let’s rant about the warm up, where they only use blocks as wings, therefore you either jump a small cross pole, or your jump the top of the blocks which is approx 2ft. (I was jumping a class smaller than 2ft, but did not have a choice but to jump higher.) I warmed up successfully after notifying the school of when I was jumping to avoid any accidents. (Nobody else did this, and just for good effect everyone was jumping towards the doors rather than away from!)

So the day ended, and I was super proud of my boy, to realise that there was no prize giving, everyone had left, and all I got was my dressage sheet and not my placing. I did not get a rosette even though I was at an educated guess hoping for a 3rd or 2nd, and was informed by my mother later that all the rosettes were given to riding school and livery clients on the riding school horses. (I wonder if they were HOLLOW?!?!)

Now I apologise for the rant, and I’m sure many of you think I’m whining without reason and that it is me that is wrong, but I usually look at myself first before blaming others and this really really has annoyed me. I’m so unhappy as this is our local EC that holds shows and the only one I can hack to comfortably. For a centre that tries to specialise in dressage I think the comments given were disgraceful and will never been competing dressage there again.

The nicest thing about the whole day was the hack home with my boy by ourselves both tired and happy at our performance.

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..... Then we moved onto the jumping phase.
I walked the course correctly, whether is 1ft or 3 ft I walk it the same, and thank god I did because there was eight human strides between a double. I deduced that either they meant to make 2 strides and didn't account for takeoff and landing, or they just went ahead and got 1 stride wrong.
8 human strides is the CORRECT spacing for one HORSE stride. Unfortunately a lot of Unaff courses are built on 7 strides as both horses and ponies will be jumping the course. This means neither learn to jump on the correct stride.
As for your dressage, I agree only having 'hollow' as the comments is poor and does not help to improve, however, if you really believe your transitions were Perfect then I respectfully suggest you need to improve your understanding of dressage requirements. I dont know of a single Team GB dressage rider who would ever say they do perfect transitions.
 
Surely you must realise that dressage is a SUBJECTIVE sport and only in a perfect world will every judge score exactly the same? If your horses was not on the bit then the judge has every right to comment thus, perhaps it was more important for the judge at this competition than it was to another judge at a previous one?
 
When our RC runs combined training they do the same, you ride one test and get placed, or not, in dressage and or CT, so I would think of it as a normal way to run.
The jumping distance is a normal one stride double, if the jumps are very small it can be reduced but should be built to a horse distance.
The dressage is the judges opinion on the day and if it is not as you expected go another time and you will probably have a different judge so dont be disheartened.
It is always disappointing when there is no scoreboard so you cannot see where you were, I would ask the organisers if they could do one in future, it is not difficult to do and competitors can see the full results easily.
Chalk your bad day up to experience, your horse went well and that is what is most important.
 
FWIW, asking your horse to work properly isn't sawing at his mouth. It's asking him to work forwards into a soft, elastic contact over his back. It's the most comfortable way for him to go.
 
Why the hell would you be competing a lame horse previously?? Horse must be a real saint to keep going out and trying despite being treated like that, poor animal. Have to admit it does make me instantly think that you don't know that much and probably aren't the best judge of 'perfect' if you would compete a lame horse.

2 for a landing, 2 for a take off, 3 for a pony/4 for a horse, that's how we were taught so 8 human strides is correct striding.

I have never been anywhere other than riding together with friends where the riders announce when they are intending to jump in the warm up ring.

My horse was terrible in our 1st dressage test on saturday because she purely did not understand what I wanted, we always jump at that venue in that arena, she is a very nicely schooled little angel but even I would not say she was perfect. Agree the comments could have been more constructive but if your horse was hollow, he was hollow. There's no point doing things where you will recieve feedback if you are decided on what the feedback should be before you begin!

Some smaller venues do favour 'home' riders more, particularly in showing classes IME which is why I prefer show jumping, either you knock it ,down or you don't! I'm also fairly familiar with classes doing the same thing being judged together, seems to make sense with limited resources and where time and costs are kept down, the smaller venues are able to afford to keep offerring inexperienced competitors the chance to compete.

If you have done better and been happier at 'more prestigious' venues, pop back to them and continue competing there parhaps, possibly you are veiwed as a 'home' rider there and receive the very preference you believe occurred at this smaller venue???
 
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I think if you were allowing your horse to go with his head up then he probably was hollow, but I agree maybe the judge could have found something else to write about as well. Also if your horses is head is up then the transitions won't be good as the horse isn't working correctly and he will be slowing on his forelegs and not slowing from behind, transitions should be fluid like water flowing and the horse should remain soft and connected between hand and leg.
Of course it probably is better for you to ride your horse too gently then to get a false outline by sawing at his mouth and I have seen people at prelim get OK marks despite the horse not being round because they are forwards and in a good rhythm. This may account for why you have had better marks in the past. Also I've been judged with a 10% difference in two different tests on the same day by two different judges, dressage is very subjective unfortunately.

The jumping, 8 human strides probably did feel very long when your jumps were 1ft but that is correct.

Also the dressage being judged at the same time as the CT dressage is normal for the EC's round where I live as well.

I'm sorry you did'nt have a good day and it is horrid when it seems that all the prizes go to the local people but thats competing horses I'm afraid. You win some, you lose some and you can't blame others for when you lose.

I should have been placed once at a CT as had a good dressage and clear SJ but I didn't because the SJ judge said people who didn't go clear did. I saw one person with my own eyes knock a pole and have a stop marked as clear but the judges decision is final so what can you do.
 
Haven't read all the replies but just wanted to check you meant to rant about 8 human strides in the double? Because even to my uneducated and frankly crap rider brain thats 1 horse stride? 2 to land, 2 to take off and 4 for the stride? I think?
* Shuffles off to ascertain if Hovis and I should ever be allowed in a jumping arena again*
 
Hmmm you competed a horse with a sore back? Could you not tell? Perhaps he is still sore and you still cannot tell, this would explain the 'hollow' comments. Perfect transitions? Ah well I suppose it depends on your version of perfect.
 
I'm not going to have a go at y ou for anything, because you asked for that not to happen, besides as we all often do I think you'll look back at the post and wish you reworded somethings. :o

First of all though, I understand how frsutrating it is when shows seem to favour home riders, it does happen, and it's very annoying considering if you have worked hard for a show, and then come away with nothing, it hardly promotes a competitive feel?

As I think someone else has said, try not to be bitter, if you were happy with your performance, that's all that matters, whether last or first. Chalk it up to experiance. :)
 
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