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sod of mr fatty its horse related.


right. I keep reading threads should i get a vet, should i get horse pts, its a waste of money its a waste of time.

Well, let me point out a few things, whilst you wait to get a for a vet for your lame/injured horse are you going out with out dinner, if you hurt or was ill would you wait until you went to a doctor?

if you suddenly lost weight would you not get yourself looked at ?

I bet you all have enough time to go out, or to relax doing what you all want. I bet you all have a quality of life. If you are unwell or going through hard times you want/expect/have some one to look after your best intrests or to support you?

Ok so the four legged fur ball is " just a horse" but they are intelligent animals, that do feel pain, if you cant be arsed to give it the care it needs or the time it needs then get rid of it, I personally dont give a hoot how but the bloody horse desevers more.

I currently have 2 horses in my care that require serious treatment. they are not even my bloody horses. one owner can not even possibley come back from essex to care for a horse so ill that it was touch and go weather it needed to go into the vets hospital.

the other came on loan to me as a hack. but he has pretty much been written off.

i still 24 hours a day give the horse the best care possible. even suffereing myself both in time and finacially, that is before i care for my own two horses.

seriousley. if it really is a hobby to some of you get rid. you do dont deserve the bloody horse, nor do you have what it takes to be a horse owner.

rant over.
 
Totally agree with what you are saying. If there is a chance the horse needs a vet then get a bloody vet!

Re the PTS threads, I think some people just need some support, or are maybe looking for that miracle cure that they've not heard of in the hope that they can help the horse.

Both my horses have had extensive veterinary treatment and I wouldn't have it any other way - they come first. I go without a LOT for my horses.
 
not atall, i think KB was incridbly unshelfish, they tried and even though for there own sentiments they could of tried more they done what was best for the horse.

My point was people that take things to lightley, like the owner of the horse i have in my care. he was hopping when she left. I decided to get vet, did text her first. poor horse had such bad infection his hoof is pretty much black and rotten.. this has been going on for months.

He currently has little hoof left. and high risk of infection again even though main infection gone. owner knows i can not go to yard twice a day (17 mile round trip) she also knows i can not afford to buy hay everyday.

she some how still expects me to i can not get harsh with her as she has helped me out as a friend personallly, but it annoys me, if my horse was that iw wouldnt of gone away let alone stayed away.

i posted on here months ago about a horse with lami.. again owner would not get vet. WTF is wrong with people!
 
I know what you mean but.....my mare has melanomas, last year they were ulcerating and she looked tucked up, vet said my decision as to whether to pts or not, friends said end of the road. Kept her comfy and she quickly picked up in herself, looked well, eating well, happy when ridden etc. Posted on here & had two really helpful replies basically to say that even when ulcerating not end of the world. One year on she is still well in herself, full of beans - she competed at a small hunter trial last Autumn, is enjoying her hacks etc. I am just monitoring her and the moment it is time I will make the decision. So I suppose what I'm trying to say is that yes, perhaps people do come on here sometimes looking for a miracle answer, but I also agree that horses need 101% commitment no matter the cost in time or money.
 
Every year I have people come to me in the shop (I own a small feed merchants), saying 'my horse has laminitus, what should I do?'. And every time I ask them what their vet has said to do, and they always say they haven't called the vet. Not only do I find it worrying for the horse, but why do they think I will know the answer to their problem?!
 
OP can the owner who is on holiday not send you some money to cover your extra costs regarding looking after her sick horse?

I do think it is good when other people look after someone elses horse and reflects badly on the real owners.
 
jhoward said:
sod of mr fatty its horse related.


, if you hurt or was ill would you wait until you went to a doctor?

if you suddenly lost weight would you not get yourself looked at ?

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Actually probably not, dont do doctors, never have. However I totally agree with the rest of your post. I actually know the names of my vets, I know where our doctors are but no idea who works there.

Having been on lots of livery yards I find horse care goes from one extreme to another. Some people get the vet out after hours for the smallest cut or graze and other dont bother if the poor thing is hopping on three legs.

Even after nearly 50 years ownership I cant always decide whether I need to or not, is it a slight swelling from a knock or infection, its a minefield. If I dont I end up worrying all night and then getting up at 5am to check.
 
rockysmum said:
Actually probably not, dont do doctors, never have. However I totally agree with the rest of your post. I actually know the names of my vets, I know where our doctors are but no idea who works there.

Having been on lots of livery yards I find horse care goes from one extreme to another. Some people get the vet out after hours for the smallest cut or graze and other dont bother if the poor thing is hopping on three legs.

Even after nearly 50 years ownership I cant always decide whether I need to or not, is it a slight swelling from a knock or infection, its a minefield. If I dont I end up worrying all night and then getting up at 5am to check.
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I think the point is that you actually do care and if you don't get the vet out you will check your animals.

The ones the OP is talking about don't seem to give a monkey's!
 
Shandys_mum said:
OP can the owner who is on holiday not send you some money to cover your extra costs regarding looking after her sick horse?

I do think it is good when other people look after someone elses horse and reflects badly on the real owners.
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no after 12 calls and 3 texts i finally spoke to her today.. ive text her tonight an update but no reply, i did mention the money to her and she was like nothing i can do. again. she really has helped me out big time personally so i dont feel i can get tough. she is a friend, but to me if it was my horse id be back.

rockysmum said:
Actually probably not, dont do doctors, never have. However I totally agree with the rest of your post. I actually know the names of my vets, I know where our doctors are but no idea who works there.

Having been on lots of livery yards I find horse care goes from one extreme to another. Some people get the vet out after hours for the smallest cut or graze and other dont bother if the poor thing is hopping on three legs.

Even after nearly 50 years ownership I cant always decide whether I need to or not, is it a slight swelling from a knock or infection, its a minefield. If I dont I end up worrying all night and then getting up at 5am to check.
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LOL at the doctors bit im not the biggest fan, and have to be very ill.. but i still go.

im a tad parnoid with the horses, normally if i suspect a problem i ring vets make them aware, then if i need to call back that way they can bear in mind i may be needing a call.. i had one recently come in on 3 legs, gave its self colic. i had to be harsh and say we are reaching the end as i didnt have the money to pay for ops, and it wasnt in the horses intrests, but the sod still got 3 vets visits, even at 4am. I dont even like the horse in question, he was a cheap one. he is not worth the bill i had. but i still done the best for the horse.

my own finances and feelings only came into a small amount.. (keep in mind the git already gave me a 200 quid bill for a virus and then the lamness after were talking a 1k bill on a 600 quid horse i never planned to keep)

but all through this i never expected ANYONE to lookafter/check on him even the vet was happy to pop and check him at 4am without me there but i said no.

argggggg slack arsess. thats what i think and its not that i dont have a life. i have a husband i dont even live with, that suffers mental illness, ive moved house 3 times since may.. i work where i can. but i still manage 3 horses

sorry, im just in a right grouchy mood lol!
 
Shilasdair said:
I agree entirely, LS.
Mind you, there are people on here who think that 'shoot it' is the cost effective answer to all equine ills.
After all, you can buy another.
S :D
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well BS in someways id agree. that sales job i have he was near the end ^^^ see above. but i wouldnt of had the money to buy another, hence taking one on loan.. but that is un rideable/unworkable even on the ground currently .
 
jhoward said:
well BS in someways id agree. that sales job i have he was near the end ^^^ see above. but i wouldnt of had the money to buy another, hence taking one on loan.. but that is un rideable/unworkable even on the ground currently .
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I agree with PTS if it is in the best interests of the horse.
Not the owner.
S :D
 
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I get the vet to my horses very quickly (learnt many years ago it's cheaper to pay out at first signs!), whereas with me I give things ages and have to be persuaded to go. They also all have vit&min supps, a tailored diet and generally eat better than I do.

In terms of PTS - if the insurance won't cover the treatment, and the owner can't afford it, then at least the horse isn't suffering. My vet once said that a clean, kind death isn't a welfare issue - pain and suffering when you can't afford the treatment to make the horse comfortable are. She was talking about people who don't have insurance, but it's true generally.
 
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I actually dont mind the PTS ones, sometimes its jsut people making sure they have covered all angles as no-one know everything.

Sometimes when you get the vet out (I have had this recently) and something just doesnt sit right and the more you think about it the more you dont like something, talk to the vet again and they tell you same thing but it doesnt sit right, at that point I tend to look at others as A more experiences means more options and B people might have been through the same thing :)

If the horse is clearly stressed/bleeding profusely/thrashing around the stable in pain then yes I agree with you point of 'what the hell are people doing on here' but in others if you can help then why not do so :)
 
Quite obvious this is abotu my thread as you quoted the "a waste of time and money" I said. Which WASN'T about getting out the vet - we have already spent thousands on having the vet out, and have just had the vet out again. Horse is 2/10 lame and stiff when ridden. He is not currently ill or suffering - so it's hardly an emergency drastic situation! However he might deteriorate, and I needed others ideas as am in a tight spot due to my own circumstances! We knew we wouldn't be able to look after the horse whilst I am pregnant, so he went to a good loan home. It's nothing at all like you are making out - I haven't abandoned and ignored his pain and suffering, stop making dramas up to entertain yourself.

The "waste of time and money" was in reference to me putting the horse on DIY livery for 2/3 weeks before retiring him in a field, as I can't ride OR muck out, it is the livery which would be a waste. The horse will still be checked on, fed, watered etcetc on grass livery, but I am heavily pregnant with SPD (pelvic pain) so I can't ride, therefore there is nopoint making him stand in a stable for 2 weeks before putting him on grass livery, especially as regular exercise is reccommended in OCD, which I can't give him! It is not "sHelfish" of me to be unable to ride, and it would be extremely foolish and dangerous if I tried to.

Am not quite sure what your problem is?

The vet was out last week, and we have spent a LOT of money on vets fees, so it is extremely unfair of you to throw around personal insults and attacks which are completely false and based on nothing true at all.
 
as someone else as said on here when its to do with PTS a horse I feel most people come on here for support for a shoulder - in thier hearts they know what to do but just want the support from the good folk on here so hey thats what we should do. I know what I need to do when time comes but i also know I will come on here for the support only horse folk can give.


But with regards to calling a vet if horse is ill etc OMG why diver - call the vet
.for one it can often save you money - it has me when baby was ill one night . vet called straight away painkillers etc and next day on mend ( never did work out what was wrong but vet said could only think infection starting somewhere but cause i had reacted so quick they caught it so soon). She throw her head up once when putting reins over head (so unlike baby)vet called - shes going blind - so ok minor cuts grazes superfical wounds i treat( i have a good full first aid kit how many do) but anything else i get on that phone to my vet and wory about the cost later :)
 
BANDM it was not about you, I promise, it is just a general rant about horse owners taking lack of resonsibilty towards horse ownership.

im 34. and have been with horses all my life and i swear ten years ago.. no more even when i was a teenager looking after and paying for my own horses it was not like it was today. people just have no sence of "ownership" the result being horses are disregarded.
 
babymare said:
as someone else as said on here when its to do with PTS a horse I feel most people come on here for support for a shoulder - in thier hearts they know what to do but just want the support from the good folk on here so hey thats what we should do. I know what I need to do when time comes but i also know I will come on here for the support only horse folk can give.


But with regards to calling a vet if horse is ill etc OMG why diver - call the vet
.for one it can often save you money - it has me when baby was ill one night . vet called straight away painkillers etc and next day on mend ( never did work out what was wrong but vet said could only think infection starting somewhere but cause i had reacted so quick they caught it so soon). She throw her head up once when putting reins over head (so unlike baby)vet called - shes going blind - so ok minor cuts grazes superfical wounds i treat( i have a good full first aid kit how many do) but anything else i get on that phone to my vet and wory about the cost later :)
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ive been paying my vets 20 quid a week for 3.5 years. was just on the last 47 quid of my bill when the cheap project got ill.. they love me.

vet tonight was like right bute twice a day.. oh i will give you a box (think a box takes 100).. if i ring and say cut bit infected i can go and collect abs.. i know they are not ment to but they trust my judgement, it also works in my favour.. if i say i need a vet NOW i generally get one within the hour I guess you have to laugh bloody horses. :D
 
BrambleandMonty said:
Quite obvious this is abotu my thread as you quoted the "a waste of time and money" I said. Which WASN'T about getting out the vet - we have already spent thousands on having the vet out, and have just had the vet out again. Horse is 2/10 lame and stiff when ridden. He is not currently ill or suffering - so it's hardly an emergency drastic situation! However he might deteriorate, and I needed others ideas as am in a tight spot due to my own circumstances! We knew we wouldn't be able to look after the horse whilst I am pregnant, so he went to a good loan home. It's nothing at all like you are making out - I haven't abandoned and ignored his pain and suffering, stop making dramas up to entertain yourself.

The "waste of time and money" was in reference to me putting the horse on DIY livery for 2/3 weeks before retiring him in a field, as I can't ride OR muck out, it is the livery which would be a waste. The horse will still be checked on, fed, watered etcetc on grass livery, but I am heavily pregnant with SPD (pelvic pain) so I can't ride, therefore there is nopoint making him stand in a stable for 2 weeks before putting him on grass livery, especially as regular exercise is reccommended in OCD, which I can't give him! It is not "sHelfish" of me to be unable to ride, and it would be extremely foolish and dangerous if I tried to.

Am not quite sure what your problem is?

The vet was out last week, and we have spent a LOT of money on vets fees, so it is extremely unfair of you to throw around personal insults and attacks which are completely false and based on nothing true at all.
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Don't think I have missed the point so assuming I haven't:

This is NOT about you or YOUR post. This is a rant about something not on this board which is happening in RL.

If you are over-sensitive (can happen when pregnant and in the last trimester) about your own horse that is your problem - don't lash out at others.

If I am wrong and the post is about you and nothing to do with RL - then knock yourself out and carry on being a drama queen.
 
Spot_the_Risk said:
Every year I have people come to me in the shop (I own a small feed merchants), saying 'my horse has laminitus, what should I do?'. And every time I ask them what their vet has said to do, and they always say they haven't called the vet. Not only do I find it worrying for the horse, but why do they think I will know the answer to their problem?!
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because they take it far to lightley.
 
Shandys_mum said:
Don't think I have missed the point so assuming I haven't:

This is NOT about you or YOUR post. This is a rant about something not on this board which is happening in RL.

If you are over-sensitive (can happen when pregnant and in the last trimester) about your own horse that is your problem - don't lash out at others.

If I am wrong and the post is about you and nothing to do with RL - then knock yourself out and carry on being a drama queen.
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It is a general rant that people that cant be assed to care for/look after/take ownership of their own horses. NOT as you said about bandm. :)
 
Agree with you OP. I also think horses deserve a good retirement when they have worked for you, and I don't think its a good idea to sell them once they're past a certain age. I don't agree with seeing our animals as disposable.
 
I could also rant about the lack of 'care' about today.............
My particualr annoyance is the one's that have all the latest stuff going, blinged up to the eyeballs, have regular lessons with good trainers but don't bother with their horses the rest of the time. If they bother to ride between training session, the horse is dragged in from the field, 2 second flick over the saddle patch, then 2 hours bombed over the downs before being chucked back out into the field again!
Or, they disappear, horse has an obvious injury in to field and they can't be contacted. Cue, one of us 'dedicated' people sorting out said horse (using our stuff etc) only to find the owner has 'been away for a few days'. Luckily, our YO is fabulous and appreciates the yard 'peacemakers', she also insists on carte blanche to call the vet as part of the contract (and has been known to have to pick up largish bills!).
If you can't commit to horse ownership, either find shares (if it's time or funds that are the limit), or, go to a decent riding school. Insure your horse realistically and/or pop a little cash away for emergency vet/disposal costs.
(Grumble grumble, guess who found the coloured heffalump plastered in something indescribable this morning that took an hour to get back to whiteness!)
 
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The attitude I have the most problem with is the one where the horse is no longer ridable, a 'companion home' is sought, because oddly the animal is too expensive to keep now :eek: The thing costs no more to keep than it ever did, what they mean is I want to ride and don't give a stuff about the horse that is now lame/ill whatever. If they really can't/won't keep the animal in retirement, then have the bottle to PTS, rather than pushing ot into an uncertain future. I do think that keeping it while it is in no pain is a better answer and at one point we had two retired and one semi retired horses out of 4.
 
YorksG said:
The attitude I have the most problem with is the one where the horse is no longer ridable, a 'companion home' is sought, because oddly the animal is too expensive to keep now :eek: The thing costs no more to keep than it ever did, what they mean is I want to ride and don't give a stuff about the horse that is now lame/ill whatever. If they really can't/won't keep the animal in retirement, then have the bottle to PTS, rather than pushing ot into an uncertain future. I do think that keeping it while it is in no pain is a better answer and at one point we had two retired and one semi retired horses out of 4.
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totally agree. i relise i am opening myself up but i took a horse on loan via this forum. luckily for the horse.. well actully it tried to kill me. but between me and the owner the horse is being cared for.

i wanted a good hack. issues accepted so long as it was safe off road and could live out.

osteo has said horse is un workable. even off the ground. he is 8. ive never actually met his owner, and to start off with was rather peeved that i had a horse with issues. i just want to go for a ride a few times a week,

BUT through communication horse stays in my care. ive got a friend that will put the work in (i dont have time) and owner will pay all bills the hors eis lucky he is only 8. he has 3 people that will try and re hab him although it may not be possible BUT i did ask all the questions, has back teeth etc been done and was told yes. i didnt expect to go for a ride on a horse that was said to be suitable for a novice to be proper bronced off.

horse is lucky. he has a dedicated team and i have the land.

i am now waiting for owner and osteo to talk to see where we go, he is a lovely horse he came to me from a nother loaner who said he done this and that.. the horse wont move a leg whilst a 6 year chils grooms him. that to me says if he is pain free he has a use. we are talking about a 16.3 tb x racer.

BUT if i knew then what i knew now he wouldnt be with me.. ive 2 babies.. i just want to get on and ride.!
 
Im a firm believer in get the vet early rather than rack up the problems that then cost the horse possible pain or suffering, and owners more money.sometimes holding off is a false economy
I know im lucky to be in a position to do that, but in my opinion If you cant do that please at least learn basic first aid and how different injuries and there location can affect your horse.
I used to be astonished at the amount of horse owners who no S.F.A about horses in general never mind their own horse. But nothing shocks me now.
Ive seen ignorance in its truest form with a horse and a puncture wound, the owner wasnt that worried about because it wasnt a big cut, and wasnt bleeding profusely, never mind the fact it was so bloody near the joint id have been weeping if it had been mine, it was left then within 24 hours could hardly move with the pain and swelling, horse was in agony and ill by the time it was seen, she was lucky it was just an infected wound.
To the folks who profess to love their horses, that spend a fortune on fancy browbands, numnahs and rugs galore,that cant even tell you where the horses hocks or fetlocks are start to bloody prove it, buy yourself a decent stable management book and a horse a horse first aid book and learn to care for your horse properly
 
It also depends on your experience.....or lack of. No...plenty of times I don't rush to get the vet for a cut/scrape....bit of stiffness .....been there, done that- I know what to do, and more importantly WHEN to ring the vet.....

Horse last year....mild colic, I've seen far far worse....but this wasn't right for my horse - so got vet out straight away...surgical lesion, horse PTS pretty much straight away. :(

I guess its experience and actually knowing your horse as well.

FWIW.....I wouldn't be on here asking if I should get the vet out...if I wasn't sure.....then I'd be on the phone booking an appointment....
 
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