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He has got good free movement, however i wouldnt like to work with it, specially for dressage 'I' think it'l be very hard to mold that trot into different things like from extended to collected and he'l really have to be ridden up into the bridle on circles and transitions. Looks like a big, uncomfy ride
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and i dont think he's good enough to carry out the specific trot movements as all his transitions from medium to collected are relativly the same.great walk on it tho!lovely overtrack however i think it will take many hours of training to get him shortnening his over track in collection.
 
wow!! trained by amateur eh??
very off the ground and elevated and imo looks quite unnatural - almost as if had those stilts things that the american show horses wear.
not going to be easy to ride in a 20x40!!
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This is soooo unnatural. Looks like he's gonna have joint problems later. Something just doean't seem quite right. Almost like a Tennesse walking horse. Strange.
 
Good god that big movement on the front end! But it makes the hind legs look relatively inactive, think I'd rather him see flow more, looks like a bit of a disjointed rhythm
 
I don't like this at all. I think that the horse has been badly produced, held in front and kicked forwards, but only so the front end is up. If you look at his hindquarters he is hardly tracking up and his extended trot is terrible, the hocks are just pushing out like a camel (really the front and back of the horse look like two different animals).

Still, I'm not an expert so what do I know...
 
We all seem pretty united in this one. I feel sorry for him. I'm certainly no liberal lefty tree hugger but my gut feel is that he doesn't have the most natural horsey life. Poor sod.
 
His trot never tracks up, and his walk looks very unatural!
Wouldn't like my 8 year old to be moving in that big a way all the time, especially not a 17hh one!
Obviously got a very weak canter as they show about 5 seconds of canter! I would want to see much more canter if I was buying a dressage horse (or any horse TBH!), trot is far easier to develop!
 
looks to me like he has had them weighted boots on so he lifts his legs up so high! Odd but does look pretty I guess feel a bit sorry for it too tho.
 
You may want to take a look at the side effects of the use of rollkur in the training of horses.

The hypertension of the neck results in a shortening of the brachiocephalic muscles (the muscles which connect through the neck, down the shoulders and to the forearm). This, in turn, results in a higher front leg action that is never matched by the hind legs (which is why this horse doesnt match from front to back).

Some of the dressage clique like the higher action it gives. Personally i think its hideous.
 
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His trot never tracks up, and his walk looks very unatural!
Wouldn't like my 8 year old to be moving in that big a way all the time, especially not a 17hh one!
Obviously got a very weak canter as they show about 5 seconds of canter! I would want to see much more canter if I was buying a dressage horse (or any horse TBH!), trot is far easier to develop!

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i beg to differ on the trot part, i feel it will take alot of training to alter his trot, if you watch the start of the video she brings him back on his hocks and he trots with a very high knee action, almost on the spot, then she pushes him on and forward and he doesnt alter his way of going at all. He has a very loose, rhythmical trot, and i think it will be very hard to break into his high extended rhythm and ask for somehting with a bit less extravigant and long feel and look to it. i have also had trouble changing the trot in a big extravegant horse like that.
 
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You may want to take a look at the side effects of the use of rollkur in the training of horses.

The hypertension of the neck results in a shortening of the brachiocephalic muscles (the muscles which connect through the neck, down the shoulders and to the forearm). This, in turn, results in a higher front leg action that is never matched by the hind legs (which is why this horse doesnt match from front to back).

Some of the dressage clique like the higher action it gives. Personally i think its hideous.

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snap. Anky van grunsven is a great fan of rollkur and salinero is a great example of what rollkur can do to its confo. Look on youtube and type in salinero training. You can see the ugly effects, desired in the grand prix world and levels like that.
 
I wasn't referring to that particular horses trot, just trot in general.
A natural walk and canter a far more important than a pretty trot IMO, I have seen horses with very plain trots become big movers just from being taught passage well and then bringing an element of that movement into its collection and extension.
Canter on the other is near impossible to work on, if the horse cannot naturally perform the movement. Particularly in big horses.
I still stand by my comment that, that particular horse possibly has a very weak canter, as only a few seconds are shown.
 
its a big help if they go well in all gaits, however i also stand by what i said in the fact that who ever buys this horse is going to have problems altering his trot.
 
There is something strangely beautiful but sad, about the way this lovely horse is moving. He looks stilted and over trained almost like a circus horse.
He has no spirit left, that has not been forced in by training.

IMO when Dressage gets like this then Dressage riders have lost the plot completely.
If that's what rollkur is its to be despised.
Poor horse.
Bet he is up for an astonishing price too.
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and there are the few heartless selfritious little so and so's who get quite heated up when someone bad mouths roullkur, and they say it is great!!!! then follow it up with no examples, how odd
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Look at some of their other horses. My internet is being slow at loading so only looked at '8yr old chestnut' but it is similar, just not to same extent... leading me to follow the roullkur (?) line of thought which is producing this (chestnut also seen to work in hyperflexion on actual vid)
I think it looks dreadful and very hard work for the horse. Interested to see how he would trot in field or unridden.
 
*sigh*

Yet whilever she wins medals, it will be deemed ok and immitated the world over
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Im pretty sure however, that most people who get into dressage dont have those kind of images in their heads as the early motivation
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If you look at his hindquarters he is hardly tracking up and his extended trot is terrible, the hocks are just pushing out like a camel (really the front and back of the horse look like two different animals).

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This is exactly what I was thinking. It's front end is the only thing that changes. It doesn't really look like it's using itself at all behind
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Interesting you should say that Tierra. I saw something similar the other day at dressage. The horse won the class but honestly, I couldnt understand why! It looked all action but not correct in it's way of going, plus the rider could hardly sit on its back! It was a novice test and looked bloody uncomfortable with high knee action just like this.

Having read these comments I wonder whether it had been trained with heavy boots/rolkur.

That is what i like about this place!! You learn something new everyday!
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Heavy boots!! Rollkur - I am an amateur but I can see the difference between good training and these disgusting methods. Poor horse I'd rather see a horse flopping along than that!!
 
I agree with Henmeister re trot (in general) - an average trot is far easier to improve than an average canter or walk. I also agree that this horses canter is AWFUL - as is his trot. He looks stiff as a board with no suppleness whatsoever. I would hate to ride him - he needs to go right back to basics. I initially thought he had hackney or gererlander or some sort of driving horse blood - v interesting that peeps have said re rollkeur and weighted boots
 
It's unmistakeable, just watch a video of the people who use this method, then go back and watch this horse.

Ammatuer is right - too bloody thick to use proper training methods.
 
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