Re- Bute allowed and Badminton not happy!

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I know this has prob been discussed before but I have been away so haven’t been on here, It discussing that this is being allowed and I cannot believe the FEI have done it.So basically they may as well scrap the trot up at competitions to.
enough said just wanted to moan
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I hope after so many complaints they will re think their decisson.
 
Am I right in thinking that years ago it used to be allowed? Just remembering back to when Lucinda's horse died during the victory gallop around the arena at Badminton - and I right in thinking that bute was banned after this. That was horrific and I still remember it some 20-30 years on. I don't think it should be back in - we all need to be seen to be "holier than thou" nowadays and any whiff of potential "cruelty" would send the tabloids into overdrive. In no way am I saying what she did was cruel as I have the uptmost respect - it was a very accepted practice then.
 
I think its crazy as well. It'll simply encourage EVERYONE to bute their horse the day before a trot up (or for the entire competition "just in case")! Total joke and I really dont get their reasoning!
 
The "allowed" amount is tiny, so won't mask lameness. It is the equivalent of one sachet the day before, which is a very small amount and will only help with small amounts of inflamation/stiffness.
 
Should we really be so worried about this?

1 satchet of bute is not going to mask a problem, and really acts a bit like an asprin - surely??


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As I understand it the British Equestrain Federation, along with the German, American and various other equivalents are going to request a revote on this ruling at the next meeting of the FEI members. Certainly the equestrain organisation I belong to (EGB - it was the AGM this weekend) are fairly confident that this ruling will be overturned before the start of next season and bute will be firmly back on the banned list where it belongs.
 
lucinda's horse died of a heart attack on the victory lap, i hardly think that had anything to do with having given it a bute (or not!)
1 sachet of bute is about as strong as a person taking an aspirin. it will not mask a significant problem/injury.
i have v mixed feeling about this. i think it's better for horses, but worse for the image of equestrian sports (zero tolerance to 'drugs' in the public headlines etc)
also, someone said to me that it will be worse for vets, with some horses that were having routine joint injections being able to get by without them if they are allowed a little bute... not sure if that's true or not though. cheaper for owners if so though!
 
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Should we really be so worried about this?

1 satchet of bute is not going to mask a problem, and really acts a bit like an asprin - surely??


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That's why I have my bum firmly on the fence on this one
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We wouldnt have an issue with say,a runner having a painkiller for a headache or stiff back before an event(assuming the painkiller in question was allowed) and think the policy of banning everything and anything is wrong(a bit of sudocrem for mud fever is not going to make a horse jump 1m60 well if it can't do it anyway is it?
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(a bit of sudocrem for mud fever is not going to make a horse jump 1m60 well if it can't do it anyway is it?

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It's a world gone mad eh???
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yes.. but it is not just Bute they are talking about

... I am wondering of the sense of allowing isoxuprine for example...... still trying to find out from friends here, why this is not allowed at all in Germany (ie not permitted for pleasure horses either and is a criminal offence to administer)

Seems extremely odd to me this decision out of the blue,especially when you see the opposition from Vets across the world ... Princess H has certainly made some very strange decisions and comments lately.... still can't get over the extremely biased and personal comments she made re the Isabell Werth affair.... in her postion, for me it was not correct to stand up and support Isabell, esp before proceedings were over.. but no one else seemed to be concerned about that here .. not sure if there were any comments in UK about it ??
 
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(a bit of sudocrem for mud fever is not going to make a horse jump 1m60 well if it can't do it anyway is it?

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It's a world gone mad eh???
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Cant hug kids,cant give basic health care to horses...yep,seems that way
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Obviously there have to be rules in place to prevent dopeing.Sadly not everyone would play fair if the chance to cheat comes along and when we are talking about an animals wellfare those rules need to be clear and tight,but I think it's gone too far.
There is something fundamentaly wrong about top class sports horses who are working bloody hard and being pushed to the limit(like any athlete) not being allowed to have the same medical care a hack does.
Legal substance found in Olympic horse is not a headline,nor is top riders giving the best vet care they can-it only becomes a media circus if the drug used is banned,or not even ment ot be used for horses
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As a normal rider who enjoys horse sports,I feel it would be fairly simple to find out at what level drugs start to have an impact on performance by weight so that the rule is fair(ie,10 mgs per 100kg of horse) then draw up a list of routine products that are allowed to be used as long as a team vet is made aware so it's on the BEF(or whatever the national federation for a particular horse is ) records as well as the horses records.
You would then be able to compare how much is found in a blood test against what should be in the horses system while not stopping the horse having treatment or giving it an unfair advantage.

But hey,what do RS numpties know?
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ETA,GermanyJo I may have just midded it but not heard anything over here about PH commenting on the IW saga.
Whatever she felt in private,it would be stupid to comment on the record given her position
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She gave an interview which was on German TV... very clearly stated that she knew Isabell personally and she would never have done something which was not correct (Ha Ha !).... and she stood fully behind her !! .. she talked about for a good few minutes.. so was not just one lapse or slipped comment.. I watched it with mouth open.. could not believe what I was hearing ..
Even if those were her personal views.. in her postion, professionally I feel she should have keep her opinions to herself.... particularily when then facts are now showing it was definately not a case of mistake with some buckets...

anyway.... enough dribble from me.. apologies.. the post was supposed to be about Bute and badminton.....
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What a bloody stupid thing to do!
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Thats the sort of thing that gives horse sports a bad press,not debate over what drugs are treatment and at what level they become performance enhancing.

Am I right that some drugs are not allowed full stop in some countries though?
If thats the case,I cant see how allowing some to use drug X while others cannot can do anything but make comps unfair.
 
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I am strongly of the opinion that if a horse needs Bute, it should not be competing.
I would never contemplate competing if my horse was not 100% sound on the day.

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I'm with you,to a point
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It depends what the bute is for TBH.A human athlete wouldnt be stopped from competing because they needed an asthma spray daily,or an asprin now and again for say,toothache.So why stop horses running because of a minor issue that is easily solved by a tiny amount of painkiller?

Hope this is sorted out soon,the fence is getting pretty uncomfy
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The real problem with allowing a little bit of bute is that it would be almost impossible for everybody not to give it say after the x-country phase of a 3 day of before the final dressage comp or the final day's jumping as a precuation at any major event. After all we can't ask the horse if he's stiff like we can ourselves. And what rider is going to risk the horse being spun when 1 sachet of bute may ( and i re-iteratre may have ghot them through)?
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I personnally think the ruling is totally nuts and not thought through at all.
 
A human athlete can make a conscious decision with a decent amount of knowledge, and having taken medical advice where necessary. For example I would take a tablet before a competition if I had a slight headache, or a bruise from a known source (e.g. I had walked into something, stood on something or whatever). I would not however take anything where I had done something unknown, or where I knew I was carrying a slight sprain (twisted ankle from something dim like a shoe), as I wanted to be able to feel the full level of pain so that I would have a better idea of whether or not competing was a really stupid idea, or just a slightly stupid idea.

Given that horses can't tell us what they've done to themselves, I think that giving anything to reduce/relieve pain is unfair and potentially risky, as it may mask the subtle initial signs of a long term tendon or ligament injury.
 
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