re miscarriage at 5 months

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HI

I was just wondering if any body had any thoughts on what has just happened to me.
I had my mare scanned at 30 DAYS after covering and was told by my vets she was empty .We covered her with our stallion just the once but she never came into heat again and was "acting pregnant " so I was convinced she had taken so I was dissapointed when the vet said she was empty.
Anyway she never came into heat all summer and seemed to be getting bigger so just last wek I bought a we foal kit and it was positive I was delighted and shocked all at the same time and wondered what to do now SCAN NEGATIVE ..WEE FOAL POSITIVE SO CONFUSING !.
I went out this morning to find TWO tiny aborted foals in the stable about the size of two rabbitts .

I was absolutly horrified and very upset .Ihad to cal the vet as I wanted to make sure the mare was ok .He arrived half an hour later and said he didnt know how he had missed the prgnancy and was sorry , AND had I put the mare in with the foal again AFTER she had been scanned .The answer is a definate NO as he is away from the yard in another field far away .
My Mare seems fine and ate her tea and haynets but I am devistated , one was a filly the other a colt .. !
I have only known for a week she was in foal and now this I really dont know what to say to the vet ..is it his fault or just BAD LUCK ??ANY THOUGHT PLEASE.
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It is a real shame they were missed at the scan however, as sad as it is, carrying twin foals to full term is a risky business. This is nature keeping your mare safe.

If you put her to a stallion again consider 2 scans post covering so that if she conceives twins again it can be dealt with at a much earlier stage.
 
30 day pregnancies are pretty tough to miss, so I would consider a change of stud vet.

It also shows how important it is to get scans at 14, 28, and 50+ days to help avoid this sort of thing happen. But in any case, I'm sorry for your loss. It's best that this happened now though, as the live foaling rate for twins is VERY low, and puts the mare in danger.
 
Hi, Right now, i am going through a simmilar situation, my mare got scanned day 14, and vet said empty. then she never came bak in2 season so eventually talked the vet into doing anouther scan at day 50 or 60(cant mind), he was certain there was no point, as hed never missed anything before. well he had to eat his words when he seen a foal, he quickly took the scanner out and looked shocked. so asked if the foal was ok, he put scanner bak in, and realized it was twins. he would of missed that if the stud owner hadnt said to check if it was ok.
Anyway, as it was too late to pop one he decided to PG her to get her to abort them. so he did this a heap of times. and scanned like every day for a month. he told me they are just broken up bits now, and fluid, that should come out in her next season. Now she nevr came back into season. It was april she was coverd.
So last month i had the vet out to my horse, as she is HUGE and skinny-they said its just a grass belly and to feed her more, and ride her more!!! so anyway i did. apart fae my horse cant canter coz her belly is in the way, and she cant do more than 10 mins trotting coz she gets tierd, so thats all wev done max 4 days a week.
On monday i had them out again, to show them an even bigger belly, and they took a blood test. so itll be a week before i get results, but i am worried that if its not a phantom pregnancy,that there may be two still there as she really is SO big, everyone is commenting on it.
I told my vets they will be paying for everything. They have done evrything for free, all those scans, and not even a call out fee. any sedative, pg ANYTHING they have paid for, from that 1st scan up till now. If she isnt in foal, i will pay for the blood test, if she is they will pay. and if it is twins, they will pay for the birth and anything that is wrong with them, or my mare. and once theyve done that and everything is fine, i will change vets!
 
lap top crash..... I hope you manage to sort this out with them. if they are difficult you could try a lawyers letter, or threatning to write into the newspappers etc. Surely they wont be that bad tho. It is awfull, and i can only imagine how your feeling. glad to hear your mare is ok, as that is what is really important.
 
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Hi, Right now, i am going through a simmilar situation, my mare got scanned day 14, and vet said empty. then she never came bak in2 season so eventually talked the vet into doing anouther scan at day 50 or 60(cant mind), he was certain there was no point, as hed never missed anything before. well he had to eat his words when he seen a foal, he quickly took the scanner out and looked shocked. so asked if the foal was ok, he put scanner bak in, and realized it was twins. he would of missed that if the stud owner hadnt said to check if it was ok.

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The vet is an idiot - but then so is the stud owner!! My very good vet NEVER says "not in foal" at a 14 day scan - even after he has double-checked with me on the last covering date. (We group mares up a bit to save money - so 14 day scan might be 12 days - or 16 at the most.) The most he'll say is: "I can't see anything, I'm afraid."

I then ensure the mare is teased every day for another 3-4 days and if she doesn't come into season, she is scanned again (we call this a WTF scan!
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) The WTF scan shows 1 of 3 outcomes: she IS in foal; she has a persistent follicle; she is coming into season. Any stud owner who doesn't do something pretty similar doesn't know their job - which is to get mares in foal!!

What I can't understand is why you weren't jumping up and down yelling blue murder if your mare was STILL at stud and hadn't been covered in 40 days? That's a waste of your money - and makes for a mare who is very late - or misses a year.
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Echo Janet totally. 14 day pregnancies can be missed...or you can have a situation like we did this year - mare inseminated, scanned her at 14 days, couldn't see anything. Went to re-check 5 days later to re-cover, and found a 14 day pregnancy. Mare had obviously thrown up another follicle (after we had scanned her off and she had ovulated), and the semen had lived inside the mare for 5 days! Its precisely situations like this that make me very nervous after people PG'ing mares blind after they have a negative 14 day scan.
30 days though....thats pretty poor from a stud vet.
 
Chestnut888 I know nothing about it but just wanted to say how sorry I was, that must have been a horrible thing to find.
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Nothing to add to the above as the people there have covered everyting i wanted to say.
But i can sympathise with you had my mare confirmed in foal last year (18days) confirmed foal all ok at 5 months, had 2 dead twins at 10 months, very heartbreaking.
No matter what month of pregnancy it happens it is upsettting for the owner, i personally think the mare deals with it better than the owners.
Big hugs, give you mare a big cuddle
 
My mare just miscarried at the same sort of time. It came as a massive surprise for us as we did not expect her to be in foal anyway. (Just goes to show what can happen in a couple of hours of broken fence!)
She seemed totally unconcerned by the whole thing and is as fit as a fiddle. Horses just take these things in their stride, but it is worse for us I think. It is sad to have lost the filly we did, but thank goodness the mare is ok and we can look to the future. Give her a hug, find a new vet and look forward to spring!!!
 
I know we keep saying it on this forum but how the hell can some of these vets be allowed to do stud work. They just dont seem to follow acceptable protocol.
I know in the past I have blindly followed vets advice and I wish I had known then what I know now, as I would have insisted on things being done differently.
Our stud vets down in Sussex were fantastic, really knew their stuff, I wish I could export them up here!

I am so sorry for everyone who has had mares aborting twins recently. As Andy Pandy says, its natures way of protecting your mare. I hope you have better luck next year
 
Volatis & JanetGeorge, you are so right, both of you. If a vet scanned a mare for me, declared her empty, and then it transpired that she was, in fact, in foal, then I would, at the very least expect to have the scan fee refunded. AT THE VERY LEAST.

Andypandy's response, that it was the mare's reaction to carrying twins, is surely and entirely correct. That, however, isn't the point, is it? When a mare is covered in hand, then there can be no question of the scanning dates. Every competent person, who scans should enquire as to the last covering date. The responsibility, of an accurate scanning, then becomes their responsibility, surely.

We have two mares who came home from stud, this year, empty and we are planning to use them as recipient mares for an ET from a very good mare, which is the property of a friend. Be certain of one thing, before these two mares go away, they will have a rectal examination to establish that they actually aren't in foal. The idea of giving them a PG jab, to encourage them to cycle, would send me into a fit of rage, if the said jab actually aborted a foal, and it must have happened.

"Oh, sorry" isn't a good enough excuse from a professional, in whom we've placed our trust.

Alec.
 
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