Really upset - what do I do now?

Horsesforever1 said:
This may not be a popular post but I have to say that if a dog bit me I would immediately go to the Police. I would want the dog PTS. sorry if that offends anyone but having been attacked by a dog as a child i am terrified of them. THey must NEVER be allowed to bite people,or horses for that matter. I dont care how much the owner is attached to the dog,its only an animal and if it bites its out of control.
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I think that's a complete overreaction in this case - as it would appear that the dog is not a habitual biter, but rather is a dog being given mixed messages by his owner. I don't get the impression, either, that the dog is aggressive.
 
Horsesforever1 said:
This may not be a popular post but I have to say that if a dog bit me I would immediately go to the Police. I would want the dog PTS. sorry if that offends anyone but having been attacked by a dog as a child i am terrified of them. THey must NEVER be allowed to bite people,or horses for that matter. I dont care how much the owner is attached to the dog,its only an animal and if it bites its out of control.
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You wouldn't have been bitten by the ops dog as you wouldn't be playing with it and winding it up for a good 5 mins would you!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm confused as to why you allowed him to play with your dog if you knew your dog was likely to nip/bite/'mouth'/whatever you want to call it???? One of mine gets over excited in play and therefore the moment I spot someone (usually a man!!:rolleyes:) rough housing too much I recall Sidney and advise them he's play reactive and request them to not do it. The dog will then remain on lead until he's calmed down. Sidney will play endlessly with anyone who will throw his ball for him but taunt him or rough play and he will nip...hence why as a rescue he wasn't suitable for rehoming with children.

You are responsible for protecting your dog from being put in the situation in the first place, therefore you are the one that allowed him to be injured by the mans reaction.

In future keep your dog restricted if you cannot control him off lead. Simple.
 
Hopefully, the OP has learned something here. It could have been a child playing with the dog, at least she now knows that her dog is capable of hurting someone and hopefully will be a bit more responsible towards it
 
IMO....in the event of the dog biting....then yes, I could understand 'H' defending himself.

As OP has revealed dog unintentionally knocked into an existing bruise on 'Hs' leg, I think his reaction was bl**dy unfair.

If one of my dogs 'bit' someone (boxers), then yes, I'd expect a reaction (AND be bloomin embarrassed that my dog had done that to someone).

My dogs are reasonably large, and I dont rough play with them. My OH does however, and frequently gets bashed and bruised. NO-ONE else is allowed to play this way with my dogs. Not worth the risk.

Hope your dog is a little less sore by now.x.
 
Tormenta said:
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Yes, because he then associated your nephew with pain and a hiding! I'm sorry but there is correcting behaviour and then there is going completely overboard! Why would you give your dog a 'hiding so he howled'. Unbelieveable!
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Exactly what I thought! :mad:
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
Can't be bothered to read the first few replies because they were annoying me!

You can tell when a dog is playing or when a dog is being vicious, if said person decided to go down that route and play rough with your dog then tough luck, I get bitten by my dogs when playing rough, its all part of the rough and tumble, he got hurt and lost his rag and took it out on the poor dog.

What if your horse stands on his foot, will it get a punch in the face, sounds like he has a short temper!

It isn't your fault for playing rough with your dog, you obviously love your dog and don't treat it as a piece of plastic.

I Don't know what to suggest re the yard? Text the wife and tell her how upset you are?

Poor you and poor doggie :-(

XX

ps it never fails to amaze me how judgemental ppl are on these forums, wow it's your fault for doing this or that, never anything constructive.
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^^^This.
 
Clippy said:
Hopefully, the OP has learned something here. It could have been a child playing with the dog, at least she now knows that her dog is capable of hurting someone and hopefully will be a bit more responsible towards it
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Depends on the child. When I was a child I would rough play with my Grand parents' farm dogs and my knitted sleeves would be in tatters! (Much to my Mum's dispair but she never got all hysterical over it.)I loved the dogs and they loved me. Yes, I obtained the odd scratch and bruise, but it was not intentional. I think people are far too reactive and don't understand dogs properly. Some dogs should never be allowed to play fight, but most are absoulely fine. It sounds as tough the OP's dog falls into the latter category.
 
IMO you should never 'rough play' with a dog, having said that:

The man had done it before
he also does it with his own dogs
The dog didn't bite him
The dog left no mark on the skin
The dog drew no blood
The man is obviously completely up his own arse!!!

If he had kicked one of my dogs repeatedly...yes 3 to 4 kicks in the ribs....is in my opinion repeatedly, I would have attacked him myself.

The dog was drawn to playfight by the man...DON'T BLAME THE DOG.

OP you have my full sympathy, obviously from what you have said your dog was very welcome on the yard, they were happy for you to let the dog out of the car, and said man was happy to INSTIGATE play with your dog.

If I were you I would find another yard, that would leave a very nasty taste in my mouth and everytime I saw the man I would want to smack him for kicking my dog.

We have dogs, they are always kept on their leads other than in the deep country side,they don't go to the yard, they are meek and mild and we don't ever rough play with them, life is a steep learning curve.

I do hope your dog is not injured in anyway, our dogs would be mortified if someone kicked them.
 
My view is that the man was told the dog played rough.

If he didn't like it he should never have engaged the dog in this type of rough play.

Kicking a dog like this, unless it is actually attacking you is out of order in my opinion.

Hope your dog is ok :( Perhaps taking him to the yard in future is not a wise idea with this man around.
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
Someone who knows all about dogs, finally someone speaking sense!
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I wouldn't say I know it all but I do know how to treat a dog who has a job! And out on walks, she isn't allowed off the lead, only gets to run on our property, or the beach, when it's deserted.

I also loathe and detest people who allow their dogs to come to mine when she is on the lead, if they come bounding up, she gets defensive, and no...she has NEVER bitten another dog, she gives them a damn good warning first!

And I tell you something else, some might say 'your dog sounds vicious'.....ONLY if she thinks the danger is threatening, am I going to muzzle the animal that could potentially save my life from a potential mugger/murderer etc etc? Like heckers am I! Them teeth might just save me!

People ask me if they can stroke her, I allow this, she gets sat down, and I make all the right noises so she knows I am allowing it, she loves the fuss. :D

She was stolen about 2 years ago, luckily micro-chipped and was dumped up north, picked up by a dog warden after she had followed a couple home with their jack russel...they said she had perfect manners...and when I called the kennels to arrange to pick her up, they actually said I didnt need to if I didnt want her back, as two families had come to find a resuce dog, and she was the only dog who had let the kids play with her and hug her to death!

She was covered in blood when they found her, and it wasn't her own, she was also covered in nasty bruises and had a cracked rib....her teeth were blood-stained too..the vet who had assesed her said he would have loved to have seen her 'victim'...! It was decided that whoever stole her, had a bit of a rough time with it, so decided to dump her.

It all comes down the correct training and care of a dog, the animal needs to know its boundaries, therefore it won't get confused. My beloved girl gets taken for walks by the little old lady across the road once a day, fussed to bits by passing people, the lady knows the rules regarding our dog, and everyone is happy all round.
 
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Leeds_Girl85 said:
^^^ what a relief it must've been to find her! I would be so upset if my girl went missing/was stolen.
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I got her back within 48 hours, a 3 hour drive north to get her!

We just had to leave her pretty much to herself for a couple of weeks, as she really found it difficult when she got home, just stayed in her bed, didn't want a walk, and even growled at my son if he went to see her, so we allowed her this 'alone' time, then she woke up one morning, her old self again!

It was awful, I thought it might have 'turned' her for good....

They said at the kennels, she knew it was my truck pulling up the drive, as she went nuts, and on seeing me...she flew up into my arms and I fell over!

:D
 
Tormenta said:
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Yes, because he then associated your nephew with pain and a hiding! I'm sorry but there is correcting behaviour and then there is going completely overboard! Why would you give your dog a 'hiding so he howled'. Unbelieveable!
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Because he was a dog raised in a home without children and I did not want him to EVER contemplate aggressive behaviour towards my nephews or any other children.

Dog and I cried because I'venever ever treated him that way. He was on my lap after with his nose buried in my hair, I cried and he did to. But my nephews were always safe from then on.

I was biiten by a collie around my eye - it was a friends dog and had been with us for several days, I cuddled it as I did with our own dog. it bit me - the owners had it PTS the following day. They had been concerned about its temperment for some time and felt this was the right thing to do.
 
I'd have kicked the dog as well...

My cousins have labradors, and with a house full of boys rough play goes on. However the definition most certainly does not involve biting and if I was "playing rough" with the labs I would NOT expect to bitten, however gently.

Shocked that any sort of "play" involves the potential to get bitten, sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO.
 
I have to say I agree with Kitsune and Alex, and probably most of the other posters here.

You can ask the YO not have her husband around, but frankly, I too would give you notice from my yard.

To be honest I wouldn't allow dogs in the first place, I can name too many occasions from others yards where things have gone wrong with liveries dogs.

You also potentially put the YO in a predicament, if her husband isn't happy about what happened and she has young children to consider (as do I) then you may get your marching orders rather than worrying about whether to move yards or not.

Be sensible, leave the dog at home and tell them that is what you are now doing. Whilst your at the yard you are focused on the horse, so why take the dog?

This is their business or perhaps even home too.

It's up to you what you do/don't do with your dog, but seriously consider public places and the liable society we have become for your own, and your dog's sake.
 
this thread has gone a bit off topic but I'll add to it! My OH dog (lives with his parents not us) has bitten his mother, a friend of his brother and me, twice. It really hurt as he meant it and I have a scar. OH is the only 1 who can get him off me when he gets hold.

I am contemplating a family and OH mother would be the only real local support I have so that I can ride etc. They allow OH neice and the dog in the same room, little girl on the floor etc. I am really regretting not insisting he was PTS after last time but they took him to the vet to be 'done' to hope it helps and OH was heartbroken at the thought.

Problem is I am now too afraid of him that he can sense it and I don't have the balls to let him bite me so I can insist but am not prepared to risk it with a baby. Will have to just grit my teeth and go visit without insisting he is in another room and wait for him to get me again I guess.

I wouldn't lose a good yard over this, I would spend some more time with your dog and maybe look at re-drawing boundaries with it. It sounds like it would be possible to just keep YO OH and dog apart and YO OH wouldn't be handling your other animals anyway.
 
A horrible incident and I can understand why you are so upset. But PLEASE, you must NEVER allow your dog to bite,even in play. Your acceptance will teach the dog that biting is OK, whereas it must learn that biting is not allowed under any circumstances. You and your dog might enjoy 'rough housing' but play like this is a big mistake and can lead to heartbreak.
 
Not read the whole thread but booting your dog 'several times in the ribs' is aggressive and over the top for a play nip/bite :eek: .... sounds a bit of an aggresive fecker to me (YO not dog :p)

xx
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
If you ran around the field with your horse chasing it and running away, chasing it and running away after 10 mins it would get excited and start bucking, if you get kicked you WOULD not reprimand the horse, as it was your fault, END OF!
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This behavior would be just as silly as allowing a dog to bite in play, imo, and just illustrates once again how foolish (and unfair to the animal) it is to allow behavior that can be dangerous.

At any rate, I'm glad to the OP has resolved things with the barn owners.
 
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