madhector
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What would you think if you saw a horse advertised as such?
Good or bad thing?
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Good or bad thing?
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Reasoning behind advertising as a Pro's horse?
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JoBo
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For me personally bad, as I would think the horse was a real handful.
Wilbur_Force
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Ditto the above, although I would like to think that it just meant that it was too 'talented' for us mere mortals!
Cazzah
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Tricky to ride, pain in the proverbial on the ground??? ;-)
Lolo
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Or, they don't want numpties asking if it's a good happy hack?
punk
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Do you mean RIDDEN by a pro, or SUITABLE only for a pro?
Very different - but I would still hesitate to buy a horse for my daughter (still looking!!!) that has been consistently ridden by a pro!!
Not only are they (the pro's) more experienced, but the horse gets used to a very strong leg, and very clear aids.
Most amateurs need a horse that can think for its self, and IMO sometimes horses that come from pro's are just a bit confused when they get a less decisive and less experienced rider on top.
However, it does depend on the horse, and how long it has been ridden by a pro.
I have seen complete disasters when Juniors buy an ex-Badminton horse expecting it to be push-button, ---but equally, if a pro has just schooled a horse for a short time it can be a good thing!!!
Very different - but I would still hesitate to buy a horse for my daughter (still looking!!!) that has been consistently ridden by a pro!!
Not only are they (the pro's) more experienced, but the horse gets used to a very strong leg, and very clear aids.
Most amateurs need a horse that can think for its self, and IMO sometimes horses that come from pro's are just a bit confused when they get a less decisive and less experienced rider on top.
However, it does depend on the horse, and how long it has been ridden by a pro.
I have seen complete disasters when Juniors buy an ex-Badminton horse expecting it to be push-button, ---but equally, if a pro has just schooled a horse for a short time it can be a good thing!!!
madhector
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No, I mean as in advertised as a horse for a pro.
druid
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No, I mean as in advertised as a horse for a pro.
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Quirky or a tosser to handle
No, I mean as in advertised as a horse for a pro.
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Quirky or a tosser to handle
diggerbez
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either quirky/ tricky OR genuinely really talented and could go really far in the right hands. guess you'd have to see the horse to see which it is. personally i'd ask the seller what they meant...put them on the spot and see what they say
vam
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Cant afford it
I would think it would be to much for me to ride, to talented and just not suitable for 90% of riders.
I would think it would be to much for me to ride, to talented and just not suitable for 90% of riders.
punk
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Heed what it says then! Don't touch it unless you are very experienced!!!
Which I am sure you are!!!
Which I am sure you are!!!
Puzzled
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Ring them! If they've been honest enough to advertise it as a pro's horse hopefully they'll be honest enough to tell you why!!
kerilli
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a friend sold a v promising horse recently and advertised it as such, for Pros only. in fact, she flatly refused to even show it to a couple of people who wanted it for juniors/young riders, even though they were very insistent that their jockeys were absolutely excellent. she wanted it to go to someone very good as it could go v far in the right hands but is a bit quirky and she thinks it could go off the rails and be a heartbreaker in the wrong hands... and she didn't want that on her conscience, a Pro wouldn't be utterly demoralised if it turned impossible! it was competed a Pro prior to sale and went brilliantly for him, but even he had a few exciting moments with it... he didn't think it was difficult though, because all the ones he gets sent are that tricky!
most people really want to sell their horses, so i'd take it as a big warning and prob steer well clear.
most people really want to sell their horses, so i'd take it as a big warning and prob steer well clear.
wench
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its evil!
LEC
Opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one.
I find this really odd as a good rider who was an amateur might have more patience than a pro who would bin it in a quick time if it did not fall into line.
For me a horse for a pro is often one who is talented but not very generous and will not tolerate the odd mistake an amateur might make.
For me a horse for a pro is often one who is talented but not very generous and will not tolerate the odd mistake an amateur might make.
punk
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But maybe the amateur might not have the time and expertise to sort the problems?!
Also the horse might actually get more difficult if not handled by very experienced people
Not all pros bin their horses if they are difficult - especially if they are talented!!!
Of course - seller might just feel that the horse is destined for the top in the right hands - and wouldn't want it to go to someone who might ruin it!!!
I know that I might be like that if I bred something that was good enough!!!
Also the horse might actually get more difficult if not handled by very experienced people
Not all pros bin their horses if they are difficult - especially if they are talented!!!
Of course - seller might just feel that the horse is destined for the top in the right hands - and wouldn't want it to go to someone who might ruin it!!!
I know that I might be like that if I bred something that was good enough!!!
Puppy
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I think that I would judge the phrase in context with the rest of the ad
cjdjivanovic
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Please report back on the seller's explanation if you speak to them - would be good to know for future reference.
SpruceRI
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It could go far in the right hands - and the seller doesn't think of an amateur as being 'the right hands'??
I don't know.... Most real pros won't want something difficult when they can buy a straight forward horse and get it going quickly
I don't know.... Most real pros won't want something difficult when they can buy a straight forward horse and get it going quickly
luckyhorseshoe
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I would steer clear - in fact when i advertised a wanted ad, i worded mine the complete opposite "amateur rider seeks genuine horse".
For me, a pro's horse is such that you need to be talented yourself to ride it, to achieve its potential but also that it could be sharp and therefore only a pro could ride it.
For me, a pro's horse is such that you need to be talented yourself to ride it, to achieve its potential but also that it could be sharp and therefore only a pro could ride it.
mat
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I have found this thread hilarious!
We have advertised horses from our yard in this way for a few reasons:
*The horse shows real potential to get to International GP
*The horse has enormous movement that takes an extremely balanced and tactful rider to train on. ( A rider who trains 6 horses every day is quite likely to have a lot more feel and balance than someone who schools 2/3x a week IMO)
*The horse has what I would describe as "a lot about it" eg. it can think for its self and has a hot temperment, which we actually find extremely useful in the end, but can obviously very quickly turn into a disaster with an inexperieced person.
I agree with above, professionals will not favour an easy horse over one that may take more riding and is v talented.
I think that making assumptions about the horses temperement and how it is to handle could be a mistake!
We recently showed a young mare that I would describe as having a gorgeous trainable temperment, a lovely mouth, sensitive to the leg and HUGE paces to die for. This is a horse that from day one has never put a foot wrong and has done everything that was asked of her. When I rode her for the client she looked better than ever. And coped with high winds and rain... however the client, who rode very nicely had perfect position and had ridden her current horse to a high level, could barely get the mare on the bit, or keep her in trot without falling into canter! She ended up scaring herself and unfortunately the young horse as well. Not her fault but a real shame...
My advice would be to ask lots of Q's on the phone just to make sure you dont waste yours or the sellers time looking at a horse that doesnt match your criteria xx
We have advertised horses from our yard in this way for a few reasons:
*The horse shows real potential to get to International GP
*The horse has enormous movement that takes an extremely balanced and tactful rider to train on. ( A rider who trains 6 horses every day is quite likely to have a lot more feel and balance than someone who schools 2/3x a week IMO)
*The horse has what I would describe as "a lot about it" eg. it can think for its self and has a hot temperment, which we actually find extremely useful in the end, but can obviously very quickly turn into a disaster with an inexperieced person.
I agree with above, professionals will not favour an easy horse over one that may take more riding and is v talented.
I think that making assumptions about the horses temperement and how it is to handle could be a mistake!
We recently showed a young mare that I would describe as having a gorgeous trainable temperment, a lovely mouth, sensitive to the leg and HUGE paces to die for. This is a horse that from day one has never put a foot wrong and has done everything that was asked of her. When I rode her for the client she looked better than ever. And coped with high winds and rain... however the client, who rode very nicely had perfect position and had ridden her current horse to a high level, could barely get the mare on the bit, or keep her in trot without falling into canter! She ended up scaring herself and unfortunately the young horse as well. Not her fault but a real shame...
My advice would be to ask lots of Q's on the phone just to make sure you dont waste yours or the sellers time looking at a horse that doesnt match your criteria xx
henryhorn
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I agree with Kerelli, her description is exactly why some horses are advertised as Pro's horses.
Some horses soon learn to take advantage of riders who aren't used to interpreting the signals they are giving, ie, if a horse gets told to behave instantly it starts to play up often that's the end of it. If however it gets ignored taking tiny liberties, within a short time it takes a damn big one..
I often describe a horse as one who doesn't suffer fools gladly, that's not an insult, it just means a thinking rider who is capable of solving a problem, not one who makes it worse..
It can mean a quirky temperament, a cheeky horse or one so talented quite frankly it would be criminal to allow anyone not that capable to ride it!
Some horses soon learn to take advantage of riders who aren't used to interpreting the signals they are giving, ie, if a horse gets told to behave instantly it starts to play up often that's the end of it. If however it gets ignored taking tiny liberties, within a short time it takes a damn big one..
I often describe a horse as one who doesn't suffer fools gladly, that's not an insult, it just means a thinking rider who is capable of solving a problem, not one who makes it worse..
It can mean a quirky temperament, a cheeky horse or one so talented quite frankly it would be criminal to allow anyone not that capable to ride it!