Recommend a dealer!

[poppynurse]

Due to the trouble we are having with the current pony I'm worried where the next one will come from. I've been advised to buy from a dealer as then you have rights (even though they can be hard to enforce apparently!) Can anyone recommend a good honest dealer in the midlands?

 

[Tempi]

i would NEVER buy from a dealer in a million years, however 'reputable' you've been told they are!

 

[Weezy]

P_G - isnt your new horse is coming from a dealer

Personally I would always purchase a horse from a dealer over a private ANY day of the week as you DO have more come back - you just have to be careful which dealers you use!

As for midlands - can you be more specific please

 

[ihatework]

That may be slightly OTT P_G.

I would certainly buy a young unspoilt horse from a dealer, once they are older though I would be wary of a dodgy past.

PS - that grey is lovely

but you are buying from your trainer, a deal between mates in your case, but she may well be classed as a small dealer herself?

 

[KarenX]

I would definitely buy from a dealer! I cant recommend one in the Midlands, but I know a very good one in the North East.

Karen

 

[Snowberry]

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Personally I would always purchase a horse from a dealer over a private ANY day of the week as you DO have more come back - you just have to be careful which dealers you use!

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Funny as I used to believe that too - however, having bought a horse from a dealer and suing it through the courts (and losing!) I now know that isnt necessarily true!!

 

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in the old school use of the term i wouldn't either

However

these days what about Garry Williams, Vere Phillips, Andrew Gould etc etc they are all kind of dealers and i would buy horses off them (well not andrew).

I notice your getting one from Global dressage - these places are all modern dealers - the old type are thankfully disappearing, although not fast enough.

 

[Tempi]

nope! my horse is coming from my trainer! And i get papers, passport, and an agreement - you dont get that from a dealer!

My trainer breaks/schools and sells, but not dodgy like a dealer!!! She trains to a high level not little ponies - which i class as dodgy dealers if you get what i mean!

 

[Snowberry]

who's the good one in the North East??
(nosy cow that I am??!!) LOL

 

[Weezy]

P_G sorry but IMO that DOES make her a dealer! Plus I have always had paperwork, passport and agreements from my dealers!

I am not talking a cattle yard here, I am talking dealers as in people such as Vere Phillips, etc - they ARE dealers!

 

[burtie]

I think there is a differece between a dealer and a producer, I would happily buy from the latter if funds were unlimited!!

To me a dealer just churns horses for profit, a producer would tend to have them a bit longer and attempt to improve them a bit.

Of course with kids ponies it is a different matter as they do tend grow out of them all the time so I can see a place for a 'reputable' dealer. I guess talk to the local PC and see if they can recommend anyone?

 

[ihatework]

PMSL!!
In what way is this not a dealer?

http://www.globaldressage.com/for_sale.htm

 

[the watcher]

there is one in the Milton Keynes area I have found to be pretty straighforward, but you have to remember these people are all in business to make money. If I was looking for a reliable pony my first port of call would be the local pony club to see if there is anything outgrown that I could take on to buy or loan

 

[the watcher]

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Of course with kids ponies it is a different matter as they do tend grow out of them all the time so I can see a place for a 'reputable' dealer. I guess talk to the local PC and see if they can recommend anyone?

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Burtie..great minds.....LOL

 

[Tempi]

thats what i was getting at Burtie - a dealer and a producer are two different things. I class Andrew Gould etc as producers not dealers. I always think of the 'old fashioned' dealers when people say that word.............

 

[spaniel]

A dealer is someone who buys and sells horses for a living IMO.... simple as that. Whether they turn them round in 7 days or 2 years makes no difference and to tar tham all with the same brush is very blinkered indeed.

 

[Weezy]

Agreed Spans

They DEAL in the purchase and sale of horses - that makes them an Equine DEALER!

 

[Tempi]

shes a producer - all the horses on her website are based in Germany and are produced by her business partner. They never have a horse less than two months. Dealers buy and sell like theres no tomorrow. Kay buys specialist horses for the job then trains them up so that she can sell to a more elite market.

 

[burtie]

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A dealer is someone who buys and sells horses for a living IMO.... simple as that. Whether they turn them round in 7 days or 2 years makes no difference and to tar tham all with the same brush is very blinkered indeed

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We'll probabaly have to go with, there are dealers and there are DEALERS, not all dealers are equal! I'm guessing we are really only arguing about semantics here which was never my strong point!

 

[Tempi]

this is my view and how i percieve it to be - ive always been brought up to think of a dealer as someone who buys and sells on within the space of a week. different people have different views on things.

 

[mrdarcy]

There seems to be some double standards going on here. Anyone who buys and sells horses on a professional basis - i.e. to make money - is a dealer... whatever they actually call themselves (trainer/producer etc). So Global Dressage are definitely dealers, but in the top end of the market.

Sure there's a world of difference between dealers at the top and bottom end of the market, loads of dodgy ones around, lots of good ones too... I've worked for a less than scrupulous one, at the bottom end of the market and I would be wary of buying anything of him. He did have many happy customers too though...

I'd have no problem buying from a reputable dealer... bit like buying a used car. To dismiss them all as dodgy is a bit knee jerk to me. In fact I'd much rather buy from a decent dealer than a private vendor who has totally cocked up their horse's training.

 

[ihatework]

**bangs head against brick wall**

Okay, so she's a dealer who imports foreign horses for the UK elite market.

We may have to agree to disagree on this one!

 

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nope! my horse is coming from my trainer! And i get papers, passport, and an agreement - you dont get that from a dealer!

My trainer breaks/schools and sells, but not dodgy like a dealer!!! She trains to a high level not little ponies - which i class as dodgy dealers if you get what i mean!

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that's like saying because there are some dodgy builders, being a builder makes you dodgy - yes some dealers are dodgy (but aren't some dodgy in every proffesion).

i'm sorry but to me buying horses to sell, irrelevant of whether you train them or not while you have them, to me, constitutes a dealer. and if you buy from Global Dressage, you ARE buying from a dealer whether you know her or not.

ps passports are now compulsary and everyone (including dealers) always sell with papers if they have them as you get more money for the horse!!!!!!!!!

little ponies bit made me laugh - does that make the dealer dodgy if it's a pony?? but you'd be fine with a horse??

 

[tarzipan06]

I would buy from a reputable one, although our little pony came from a dealer and she said she'd had her 6 months, when infact our pony was preggers (we didn't know until 1 month before her foal was due) and when I went back to her she said she'd only had her 6 weeks. However, our pony is fantastic and a bit of a find so no hard feelings

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[BBs]

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nope! my horse is coming from my trainer! And i get papers, passport, and an agreement - you dont get that from a dealer!



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Thats bollocks PG! the dealer I have purchased two horses from including Bertie! my first horse! I received passports, breeding details and an agreement if i didnt get on with the horse they would have them back - god I was given a 2 month approval on Bertie

They yard isnt known for tidyness but all horses are wonderfully cared for the whole family BSJAs to a high standard and the owner is a top BSJA course builder! Yeah its been know that on occasion what hes sold hasnt always been 100% - however, unless you are a complete numpty! you can pick something up which will do the job you want it to do!

Its not always in their interests to swindle you!

I am sorry to inform you but your trainer is a *dealer* for what she is doing its being done on a small scale! I bought winston from my trainer who was selling him for someone else - she had a few horses every year which she rode, competed and sold on - it was a way of living for her! what is that if it wasnt dealing in horse sales???

 

[burtie]

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My trainer breaks/schools and sells

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I think the key word here is "trainer". As far as I know almost every professional rider and a lot of trainers do deal either on the side or as their main income. I do understand what P_G is getting at but feel it is really a problem of semantics, lets be honest when someone says "horse dealer" we all have an image that pops into our heads!!

 

[Petrie]

I think it's a bit naive to think that these 'producers' who ride, train, bring on young horses, and also buy and sell a few horses are more concerned with our interests than a traditional dealer.

They are dealing! They are as keen to sell on a horse as the dodgy old nagsmen down the road selling horses shipped over from Ireland!

They might be posher, more expensive, well-bred, specially chosen ones from Germany, and she may have spent some time getting them going, but she's still dealing.

And I know many well-known professional riders who would sell you a dodgy horse, so I wouldn't necessarily trust someone because they're a well-known name.

I can't mention names obviously, but I've heard as many bad stories as I've heard good from people buying from one of the dealers mentioned above.

You just have to be careful, and have your wits about you, whoever you're buying from.

 

[Tia]

Sorry but that is just not true in all circumstances!! I guess I would be classed as a dealer - yes I buy a couple of youngsters, bring them on and eventually sell them.......but not to just any bugger! All of mine have to go to the right home. I have refused a good handful of people who have come to view the horses I have had for sale this year. They were not suitable in my opinion.

I ask a lot of money for my horses, relative to this area. I never sell to this area as no-one around here has the sort of money I am looking for. All my horses which were for sale so far, have been sold to good decent owners and I just wouldn't consider selling to some numpty!

I am not interested in spiffy new barns or top of the range trailers (although my purchasers do seem to have these - I guess because my horses are not cheap), what I am interested in is to see the horses going to the best home possible.

I never ever want to see one of my horses ending up in an Auction House! But then I don't expect to as I believe I have good sense in whom I sell to.

And no! I am not as keen to sell a horse as some "dodgy old nagsmen"! Otherwise all my horses for sale would have sold within a few days rather than the couple of weeks!

 

[Chumsmum]

Where abouts are you in the Midlands and what are you looking for?

 

[aran]

I know a good one - but they're in North London - just off the M1 and not far from the M25 - probably too far but PM me if you want details