Recommend me a stallion

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This is all purely academic at the moment because no decisions have been made, but I do like to get ahead of myself. :o

So theoretically, can anyone recommend a stallion, preferably a warmblood standing in the UK, to add substance to a very fine TB mare? She's only little (15.1 at a push) and I want something with a bit more bone. Temperament is really important, as is good movement. And if I'm being really picky, I would love a cremello, but obviously that's not hugely important.

Alternatively, might an ID stallion be a possibility? I know more about the German/Dutch breeds, but if I'm going for rideability first and foremost, something Irish might be a better bet?

Any suggestions/info about stallions would be much appreciated.
 
Avanti Amorous Archie RID. He has a webpage.

Quality bone, superb temperament, competes successfully, exceptionally correct conformation and owned by a very experienced owner who will give you a very warm welcome and the very best advice.
 
Adonnis - KWPN by Gribaldi. Really trainable temperament, about to start competing at Medium level. Correct paces and makes a lovely shape over a fence. PM if you would like more details :)
Having met Archie and Rita many times, I can vouch for them too!
 
I would also say Legrande as he will add bone and he has a lovely temprament which he passes on to his foals. I have a yearling by him and I'm very pleased with him.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Legrande is stunning, but at 16.2 I'm worried he might be a little big for the mare - would be her first foal and she is 15hh and very petite. I did like the look of the cremello stallion Magician GF if anyone knows anything about him, and I adore Treliver Decanter but he might be a little tall too.

On the other hand, that RID is gorgeous, and would certainly add bone. Ach, too much choice!
 
Thinking outside the box what about Benwode Brokat. Although a pony he can throw bigger and should give you the substance.
What bloodlines is your mare that can often give you an indication how big all small you can go stallionwise.
 
While he looks lovely, I would really like to get as much height as possible. The mare in question is by no means definitely going to be bred - at the moment I'm just exploring all the options. She is TB - Tumbleweed Ridge x Carson City, if that means anything to you. I know very little about TB breeding - I'm much more familiar with WBs.
 
Hi,
I ve a V Slight Dr massini tb mare whom I got a colt from ringfort cruise. He s a real creacker with a firy temp which I LL get over. I crossed ringfort with 2 others as well Big tb scopey mares NH types . Both have huge amount of bone ,and to be honest are not scopy and PLAIN ! Neither would jump out of a tayto bag, I hope I M wrong. I would use ringfort cruise again for my massini mare shes 15 3 ,but not the others. pic on facebook ploverfieldsporthorses kind regards frank o connor if you would like to see pics of mare and update of foal i ll happily oblige kind regards frank o connor
 
Few questions.

What are you wanting to do with the offspring?

What has the mare done competitively?

What are her conformational weaknesses that you want to improve?
 
I'm on my iPad at the moment, so unfortunately don't have any photographs, but will try and sort some out.

She is an ex-racer - decent breeding, a lovely person and completely sound but just too slow to be of any use. It has been suggested that she would be a good broodmare prospect, but as I've already said, no decisions have yet been made.

Her conformation and movement are correct but nothing spectacular, she looks exactly like what she is - a flat bred TB. She does have quite a weak neck and very little bone, and whatever I bred for, adding substance and height would be key.

If we did decide to put her in foal, I would need to decide first what I wanted from the resulting offspring. I already have a beautifully bred imported German Warmblood who will be my dressage horse, and I am a big fan of all of the Hann/Oldenburg lines, but I'm not sure if it's worth paying large sums of money to use a really classy German stallion when the offspring won't be able to be registered anyway. Rather than going by competition records, I'm currently thinking that I would like to produce a trainable and straightforward all-rounder, with a good temperament and correct paces and conformation. Anything with talent for dressage would be a bonus.

And at this extremely preliminary stage, I am particularly interested in dilute stallions. The mare is chestnut and a cremello stallion would guarantee a palomino, which would make the offspring just that bit more saleable.
 
If you're looking to sell on then personally I'd buy a ready made weanling/yearling - you'll save yourself a ton of money hassle and potential faff as someone else will have done it all for you!, and you'll know exactly what you'll get, the old saying of you buy what you want and breed what you get is very true - as you'll know there are no guarentees of even getting a foal after forking out on stud fees etc!
With the market as it is it really is a buyers market and unless your mare is outstanding and has acheived something as well as looking good on paper then even the most fancy stallion or colour isn't going to get you a more saleable foal - just a thought!
As an idea cost wise - allow about £1800 - £2500 to get the foal on the ground, then add at least a grand per year and hope you have no accidents which there are usually a few lovelly vet bills thrown in for good measure, then add the cost of training - it's a fools game!!!:p :D ;)
 
Another vote for Avanti Amorous Archie.

Have seen produce from crowns wonder pearl- but havent been impressed with off spring plus although he is small he throws big foals!
 
Thanks everyone for your input.

Alexart - I wouldn't be breeding to sell, but realistically speaking, I may not be able to offer a lifetime home, so something as saleable as possible can only be a good thing. ;) On the other hand, I'm not desperate for another horse, and the idea of breeding her only came about because she is in need of a job to do. So from that point of view, maybe I do need to rethink the whole thing. Though looking at all these stallions, I do rather fancy a foal now. Maybe next year when I have sold a horse or two, I'll look at buying a foal instead.
 
Without wanting to be cruel, I am going to suggest in pedigree terms your mare does not have any sporthorse strengths. Now that is not the end of the world if she is a super stamp, good movement, and ideally has proven herself in sport.
From your description she sounds like a fairly bog standard failed flat racehorse, and not the ideal type to breed sporthorses from.
I suggest you take her along for grading, any of the warmblood studbooks accept TB blood as do the SHB, get an professional independant opinion, and then make a judgement on breeding from her.
The chances of you making any profit from breeding from your mare currently sound pretty slim, so before you spend money on vet's fees and stud fees, be absolutely sure she is worth breeding from.

Just to clarify I have nothing against breeding from TB mares at all, but there is no point wasting money breeding from a mare just because she has no other job to do
 
Thanks volatis, I'm afraid that's what I have been thinking too. I adore her, but if I was buying a foal for myself I wouldn't be particularly impressed with her as a dam. I was surprised when I was told that it would be a good idea to breed from her, and the responses here have confirmed that I was right to be. It's a shame because she really is an absolute sweetheart, but only 3 and really needs at least a year to mature, so putting her in foal makes sense to me from that point of view. I had a critical look at her today, and she really is a bog standard ex-racehorse. Her full sister, otoh, is rather special, but she retired because she was a bleeder, so I wouldn't risk putting her in foal.
 
We have a tb mare, we're lucky as she is a great stamp, really good conformation but just a bit small and slightly flat feet. We chose Amour G, a coloured wb stallion to add height and hopefully improve her feet. We wanted a sport horse for eventing mainly. We are really pleased, our yearling has a great personality, she's a real people person, he's really stamped her and her movement is very good. She hasn't grown as well as we'd have liked as a yearling but she's beginning to look a lot stronger now. She has great bone and fantastic feet.
 
I agree with Volatis. A grading by a warmblood judge for one of the warmblood societies will give you a clear heads up on her quality. Certainly keeping thoroughbred blood in warmblood breeding is highly desirable and we have thoroughbred mares at woodlander for breeding both dressage and particularly eventing.

Looks are not everything so get an expert evaluation of her paces and also look at her back pedigree as you are not breeding with what you see. This year we presented a full thoroughbred at the Futurity as our stallion Set Adrift is graded with a number of societies, and we received a High First premium as an eventing foal. On the stud, we also had a number of visiting mares who were largely or completely thoroughbred, coming to our stallions such as Wavavoom, Supertramp and Del Amitri.

I would also think of using a Trakehner where there is already a lot of blood and this may give you better progress than a strongly different outcross.
 
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