Refused entry to RIHS qualifying class due to an interest

[kandm]

I'm sorry if I got it wrong but you saying in your opening post that you took it personally, (which it wouldn't have been, the judge was just keeping to his rules) were disappointed and cried a lot added up to making a fuss in my eyes. We obviously have different ideas on what constitutes a fuss, lol!

At least you know now for next time so good luck with your qualifier quest.

Although I do agree with all other comments above. I do disagree slightly with yours...

Wouldn't you be disappointed if you took your horse out and then found out you couldn't compete it for any type of reason? And maybe she cried once at home/away from the public?

Not trying to make an arguement here. I just think the way she explained it was slightly unclear .

 

[teddyt]

Yes, i think the problem arose because they didnt anounce the judge before the day. I would be a bit p'd off if i had got ready for a show, turned up and found out i couldnt compete because of a connection with the judge. I dont blame the judge for refusing the entry but can understand why the OP was upset, especially with the adrenaline going minutes before entering the ring.

 

[teagreen]

I never go to a show without finding out who the judge is, ever. There is way too much preparation involved in showing only to get to a show and find you have a connection with the judge.

 

[conniegirl]

I never go to a show without finding out who the judge is, ever. There is way too much preparation involved in showing only to get to a show and find you have a connection with the judge.

I will never do pre entries without knowing the judge. Riding club shows where you pay on the day I dont mind not knowing untill I get there as generaly they have several rings going so if I cant do one ring there is something else i can do and I havent wasted any money.

I too would find no joy in qualifying for something if there was no competition.

 

[Maesfen]

Wouldn't you be disappointed if you took your horse out and then found out you couldn't compete it for any type of reason? And maybe she cried once at home/away from the public?

Not trying to make an arguement here. I just think the way she explained it was slightly unclear .

Not arguing at all K, just to me, crying constitutes 'a fuss'; I'm too stiff British upper lip I suppose even if bitterly disappointed as I would have been too if I had found out only then that I couldn't compete because of knowing the judge and his connection to the horse.

 

[RSL]

Because the judge is invited there to judge and generally doesn't judge every show and class held there, espeically for qualifiers [I think it's only one show allowed to judge per qualifier or something along them lines?]. It's bad coincidence if you happen to be local to that show and have a horse previously owned or known personally by the judge. It's not fair for him to have to judge it due to possible biasedness. It's your duty as the competitor to find out who the judge is before you enter your class.

It can happen to anyone at any show, if the judge was different, it could have been one of the other competitors that could have known him. It's not victimised or put there to be unfair....it's there to be fair for all.

Right got it, thanks

 

[Minstal]

[

QUOTE=FMM;8588813]BSPA Rule 19
19. Exhibitors - are required to withdraw from a class if the judge has an interest in his/her
exhibit. For the purpose of this rule a conflict of interest is defined as.
A judge has an interest in an exhibit if he/she has owned, trained, kept it at livery or
ridden it in any competition. Or has had or still has a financial interest or gain from it,
or has bred it, or who’s stallion whilst in their ownership/control, has sired it.

The judge obviously felt that as he wife had owned the horse and he had hunted it, then he was not in a position to judge it without breakint the rules.[/QUOTE]

 

[AmyMay]

The judge obviously felt that as he wife had owned the horse and he had hunted it, then he was not in a position to judge it without breakint the rules.

Yes, this was established in the op.

 

[MontyandZoom]

Hold on a tick.......maybe I have read it wrongly.....but the OP seems to be upset because there was an opportunity for another judge to take on the class but the original judge refused. Therefore there was only one person left in the class and OP didn't get to compete.

I think people are being a bit harsh on OP. No-one is questioning the fact that the judge shouldn't have allowed her in a class he was judging and that it was the right thing to do, but I can see why OP is upset that she didn't get to compete because he was unwilling to stand down and let the other judge take over,

It is highly likely I've got the wrong end of the stick though!

 

[conniegirl]

Hold on a tick.......maybe I have read it wrongly.....but the OP seems to be upset because there was an opportunity for another judge to take on the class but the original judge refused. Therefore there was only one person left in the class and OP didn't get to compete.

I think people are being a bit harsh on OP. No-one is questioning the fact that the judge shouldn't have allowed her in a class he was judging and that it was the right thing to do, but I can see why OP is upset that she didn't get to compete because he was unwilling to stand down and let the other judge take over,

It is highly likely I've got the wrong end of the stick though!

There was anouther judge there but did the judge have the correct qualifications? was he on the correct panels? did he have the correct classification within those panels? If he was on the correct panels etc had he already committed to his max quota of RIHS qualifiers for the year (and yes there is a limit on how many one person can judge), if so then he couldnt have judged because it would have ment letting down other shows later in the year and very few judges are willing to comprimise thier committments like that. Judges for some shows are booked a year in advance and them canceling a few weeks before a show causes chaos!

you cant just say oh your a judge come judge this class because if it is a RIHS qualifier then they MUST be on the correct panel, with the correct society and they must also stick within the rules.

Also how do you know that the other judge didnt have a connection with the other person in the class.

SOrry but I would stand by the judge on this, you lot are always the first to cry 'it's a fix' when it comes to showing yet in a situation where the judge stood by his integrity you have a go at him! If the judge had been changed to suit the OP and anouther person had complained about it you would all by crying 'Its a fix'. Seems like showing judges cant win with you lot around.

 

[MontyandZoom]

Also how do you know that the other judge didnt have a connection with the other person in the class.

SOrry but I would stand by the judge on this, you lot are always the first to cry 'it's a fix' when it comes to showing yet in a situation where the judge stood by his integrity you have a go at him! If the judge had been changed to suit the OP and anouther person had complained about it you would all by crying 'Its a fix'. Seems like showing judges cant win with you lot around.

WHOA! 'you lot' is a dramatic generalisation. I have NEVER gone showing, mainly because my horse has one eye and sarcoids!!! And I wrote a post yesterday saying that I had the best day ever being eliminated in a hunter trial, I am not competitive!

If you read my post I actually said that no-one is critisising the judge's decision to say that she couldn't enter the class with him judging! I have no idea about the rules of showing, there are ways to educate people without shouting and getting in a tizz.

Jeez, calm it down love.

 

[Queenbee87]

Not arguing at all K, just to me, crying constitutes 'a fuss'; I'm too stiff British upper lip I suppose even if bitterly disappointed as I would have been too if I had found out only then that I couldn't compete because of knowing the judge and his connection to the horse.

I would say it depends! Going back to the box with a few tears then crying whilst in the privacy of the box/ whilst untacking etc. does not constitute making a fuss. Throwing yourself on the floor screaming and flailing limbs about (like a toddler having a tantrum) would, IMHO, constitute making a fuss.

As to ringing up beforehand, that's a very good idea but not necessarily one someone with limited showing experience would think about. From reading some of the posts on this thread showing has numerous rules and unless the OP had experienced first hand or heard about someone having had this experience it may not be something they thought necessary.

It's one of those- you live, you learn!

Good luck next time

 

[steph91]

MontyandZoom you were exactly correct in the reason why i was upset, because the other judge refused to stand down. The other judge was able to judge the class, because it was a bspa show and he was a registered judge. And with every bodies remarks on the judges are normally scheduled ages in advance, this one was not as i knew the other judge at the show who had judged the inhand classes and did not enter any of those classes.
i have learned a lot of tips though from this post about learning who the judge is beforehand

 

[FMM]

I am pleased that you have taken on board the comments and now understand the explanation as to why you could not do the class. I am sure you will have other oportunities to qualify your horse for RIHS.
In answer to some of the other posters, the OP had to be a member of the BSPA in order to enter the class, and therefore was in possession of the relevant rules of the Society.