Reiki/ horse healing and horse communicators?

[YasandCrystal]

Perhaps I am closed minded as you say Yas , I can only qualify the actual and real and tangable. Perhaps it all steams from my disapointment in the Santa Clauss scam

Anyway I really do have an issue with this tosh , If anyone wishes to practice this comunication - doctor dolittle - spirtual conection malarky then that is absolutley fine. Its when there is money involved for this service I dont agree. If there service was free then I wouldnt give a monkeys....


I feel that since this is an open forum an element of Crowd psychology could influence in some case's vulnerable people into beliving Shills and Shysters and utimatly parting cash into this absolute rubbish. In the 1920's Houdini debunked every spiritualists in popular culture at that time and exposed them as fraudsters....

You have to be a scientist to feel this strongly?

 

[Luci07]

Nothing on the communicators - I am open minded just have no experience but my mare would also rear when overly excited and I evented and hunted her. With her it really was pure excitement. The triggers were asking her to stand in the start box, waiting out hunting for others to catch up. With the start box I learnt to actually drop my reins and would keep her walking till the last countdown, then turn her so i would actually be picking up the reins at "0". Hunting, I would drop my reins and keep her walking till her friends had caught up and not ask her to stand. I have a lovely natured mare, just gets a little too "up for it" so this way worked and I didn't need calmers etc. Just might be a suggestion that rather than asking your pony to stand and holding her, you walk her on a long rein till you are ready. It just took the pressure of my mare (although we would get some strange looks for mooching around the start box on a long rein while they were counting down, with the exception of the starter who got to know her rather well!)

 

[OneInAMillion]

Because they are Charlatan's , if you really could comunicate with horses or infact any animal you would be working with the Vet's and University's helping to diagnose serious issues and aid treatment.

Honestly , to talk about these shysters in a reasoned manner defies logic. It is the very definition of a confidence trick or at best a Placebo.

Do you actually have any experience of them yourself though?

As they have no worth on this planet and are useless blah blah blah.
Why is it we had tremendous problems with my horse which left EVERYONE baffled, inc. top top professionals, vets everything. Had an animal communicator "chat" to him then us. And within 3 days the problem was sorted by sorting out exactly what Animal Communicator told us and the vets to do. And before you start asking what it was and how he knew, I won't be disclosing that as it is personal and was very upsetting at the time.

 

[jmb]

Nothing on the communicators -With the start box I learnt to actually drop my reins and would keep her walking till the last countdown, then turn her so i would actually be picking up the reins at "0". Hunting, I would drop my reins and keep her walking till her friends had caught up and not ask her to stand. well!)

Thank you I have tried this to some degree but when I get near the line she picks up pace and heads up the arena Maybe I could figure a way I could keep her reins dropped until the last min then pick them up and move forward to the line? Will start working on this at home. How did you teach your mare to be relaxed and walk with no contact?

The Wip *** - where can I get one of these?

I am having the communications done on her hopefuly early next week so I will keep everyone updated!

 

[Old Bat]

Do you have a knot in your reins? Our team all ride with short knots and the buckles undone...you could then drop the reins and pick up at the last second on the correct contact just in front of the knot.....just a thought. Good luck!

 

[lloyd]

To anyone who believes that there is anything at all in this communication stuff I will happily lay down a challenge.

Very simply I will take individual pics of ten brood mares ( making sure you can see there eyes clearly ) and individual pics of there foals. All you have to do is match which foal is from which mare.

Get 10 out of ten and I will stand corrected , and If there skills doesn't work unless there is a financial incentive then I'm sure i can sort out a prize.

only one condition , the results of this test must be made public on this forum.

 

[TarrSteps]

Try the wip wopl This is made of soft cotton fibres and a loop to put your hand through. When the horse rears flick the wip *** under its belly. It will bring the horse down again. Timing is crucial and the horse ideally has to be at the top of its rear when you use it in one quick deft movement. The idea is that in the wild a wild dog/tiger, etc would bring down its prey by biting its stomach so that the horses intestines fall out, thus rendering it unable to escape. The horse will not like its stomach exposed and by you flicking the wip *** softly on its belly it will ensure it comes down quickly and after a few times will probably (hopefully) not continue with rearing.

There is a certain amount of logic to this explanation, and I would say that this is more credible that using a Reiki healer to help your horse with the problem of rearing. I am not knocking Reiki, we have an excellent person come to our yard and have all had excellent results, but for this kind of dilema you need to be very proactive in your approach.

The only qualifier to this though (not saying it's wrong - they're a great tool!) is that the whole point is to send the horse back down and FORWARD. It's particularly useful for horses that nap or resist the forward driving aid.

In this particular case the horse is reacting to the restraining aid and the OP DOESN'T want to send her forward, she wants her to calm down. If she's anxious enough to stand up and you remove that outlet without also lessening the pressure, she'll likely just get more anxious.

This is actually quite a tricky one. You can't force a horse to be calm. Horse that tend to rear in the xc start box almost always end up being "managed" rather than punished - walked around until the last moment, led in etc.

So the mare either has to be calmed down somewhat or given another outlet, or, preferably, both.

 

[TPO]

So the mare either has to be calmed down somewhat or given another outlet, or, preferably, both.

^^^ this

If she's physically checked out and there is no pain causing this behaviour then it sounds similar to horses I've worked with who have simply "blown their brains".

My own experience of this was with horses competing in cattle events. They'd have been doing the job fine and then for no apparent reason would just blow. It was like the excitement/pressure just got too much for them. They reacted in different ways; one wouldn't work on the cattle, the other blew them and took to bolting/taking off but they did all get fizzy and difficult.

The majority were turned away or retired to stock work. I was given one to work with (because I was the expendable Scot) and it took a long time and lot of patience to get him back. His evasion was to go forwards very fast with no brakes; when held in he would shake before errupting like nothing I've seen or felt before or since (thankfully).

The short version is I used him for everything other than cattle work (mustering horses, fence checking, ponying others) and re-mouthed him. All pressure was taken off him. I gradually reintroduced cattle just pootling around the cattle yards and then would play about cutting one out then walking off. The end result was he went back to competing much more level headed and was successfully sold on. So perhaps your pony would benefit from a break and perhaps doing something a bit more chilled to allow some time for regrouping?

With the standing issue (even in the school) I'd imagine it's just a case of starting small and building up. ie halt for a second, praise and move on; just keep building up the halt time. Make standing still a pleasurable thing.

Good luck

 

[YasandCrystal]

To anyone who believes that there is anything at all in this communication stuff I will happily lay down a challenge.

Very simply I will take individual pics of ten brood mares ( making sure you can see there eyes clearly ) and individual pics of there foals. All you have to do is match which foal is from which mare.

Get 10 out of ten and I will stand corrected , and If there skills doesn't work unless there is a financial incentive then I'm sure i can sort out a prize.

only one condition , the results of this test must be made public on this forum.

We can believe in all this stuff as much as we like, but why should a communicator rise to your challenge? You are the none believer not the communicators or those that use them. We do not need to prove anything to you....for why????
Why don't you approach a reknowned communicator and ask for a communication yourself with your horse on the proviso that if what they come back with is poppycock you get a refund?
You may shock yourself! Actually most good communicators would be happy with such an arrangement.
Rise to that challenge and start a thread about it Lloyd...I dare you!

 

[mollichop]

I had a reading done for my mare as there were a few issues I wanted looking into - rearing being one of them.

I did a great deal of research into AC's and one name kept being recommended so I went with them. I cannot tell you how far off the mark they were I was open minded and gave enough info without giving too much away.

I had to be honest and tell them none of the reading applied to my horse (it was done over the phone). They said they can only work with what the horse gave them and that my mare was closed off to it.

I'm sorry but I wanted to believe it, don't think i'd use that route again - OP hope you get some answers/techniques to help you.

 

[Kelpie]

I practice Reiki myself and am very into the "alternative". However, I do have a little cautionary tale to balance a few things out here. I was once in touch with an AC with a very good reputation. She told me something quite specific that was wrong with my horse and being a consciencious owner I had this fully investigated with the vets (many £££'s later...) and in fact the problem was not there, it was somewhere else entirely. Not saying all AC's get it wrong, but certainly they did on this occassion and I was the fool that spent a lot of money as a result.

 

[Luci07]

Thank you I have tried this to some degree but when I get near the line she picks up pace and heads up the arena Maybe I could figure a way I could keep her reins dropped until the last min then pick them up and move forward to the line? Will start working on this at home. How did you teach your mare to be relaxed and walk with no contact?

The Wip *** - where can I get one of these?

I am having the communications done on her hopefuly early next week so I will keep everyone updated!

OK. My mare had learnt that picking up the reins meant that action was expected and she would light up immediately. Should also say she had been evented upto intermediate level sucessfully by a professional rider before I had her so did know her stuff. I went in the school and would pick her up for - literally - minutes, then almost throw the reins at her, pat her neck and ask her to stretch out. Did it constantly and then she got used to the idea that floppy reins meant relax. I know this isn't great for dressage (free walk etc) and did "cheat" in that part as I really did let her go on dangling reins, and perhaps wouldn't work for everyone. However she soon worked out that loose reins meant chill out and I could literally be walking her around the warm up at XC really relaxed, then just spiral her towards the box and pick up when they said "go". I also taught her in the school and have done it to all my horses since, to learn then when I sit up, scratch the neck and say "whoa" that means slow down. It was a safety device having finished at Stilemans and taking another 3 minutes of outright fighting to stop her. Its quite easy to teach that trick and to me its a back up. Even my baby horse has got that from out hacking already. I could have taken my mare head on and wound her up to a dangerous point but this way worked well for both of us. The biggest compliment I received was when I tracked down her breeder who came to watch us. She said that while the professionial was obviously the better rider, I got more out of the mare as there was no head on crashes/disputes! Should also say I was quick at picking up my reins (spooks etc) but its what worked with my overly professionial mare. As a complete contrast, if I had ever tried that on my recently sold but very laid back gelding, I would have been on the floor!

 

[YasandCrystal]

Kelpie I agree not all ACs are any good and noone is infallible. It's the same in all professions and walks of life.
I also believe that people should exercise caution and should try and keep an 'open mind' without bias. One also needs to be prepared to maybe hear things you don't want to also from a communication - the animal can voice dislikes!
Many people go to an AC out of sheer desperation, or plain curiosity or to just verify something.
I have never paid a great deal of money for a communication and luckily I have been pleased with the result - more impressed with some than others.

 

[monstermunch]

Because they are Charlatan's , if you really could comunicate with horses or infact any animal you would be working with the Vet's and University's helping to diagnose serious issues and aid treatment.

Honestly , to talk about these shysters in a reasoned manner defies logic. It is the very definition of a confidence trick or at best a Placebo.

I think this is an extremely narrow minded statement and whist you are entitled to your opinion you cannot prove or disprove these peolpe and your sentence condemns them.
I am extremely sceptical of animal communicators and totally believe that a lot of them are scam artists. However I do also believe that some people genuinely have a gift and if you are clever enough you can tell the real from the fakes.
I had a guy out to my horse who had developed certain issues. the only reason I did it is cause he didn't charge me for it and I didn't believe it would work. However not once did he ever ask a question about my horse. he just relayed information my horse was telling him, most of which was stuff no one else could possibly have ever known.
A year later my youngster (a different) horse developed lameness. I got the same person out and told him nothing about her lameness or why i had asked him out. After 20 minutes my horse told him about the problem. He described the exact problem and what needed to be done to correct it. I chose to ignore him, being in denial, as she came sound, be it only for 6 weeks. When I sent her to Newmarket for MRI's and x rays I couldn't believe what they told me.
2 months earlier this communicator had told me my mare had a slight lateral tilt of about 2mm in her pedal bones which was pulling on her collateral ligament. That it was worse in the left than the right but that internal confirmation in the right fore was actually worse The pain was coming from within her foot not higher up the ligament.
Word for word the MRI's and vets echoed what he had told me.
Explain that away. That is not a scam, nor lies, nor could he possibly have ever known to that extent of the injury.

I do believe that real communicators will not ask you quetions or dig for information though so you do have to be careful you find a reputable one.

 

[lloyd]

We can believe in all this stuff as much as we like, but why should a communicator rise to your challenge? You are the none believer not the communicators or those that use them. We do not need to prove anything to you....for why????
Why don't you approach a reknowned communicator and ask for a communication yourself with your horse on the proviso that if what they come back with is poppycock you get a refund?
You may shock yourself! Actually most good communicators would be happy with such an arrangement.
Rise to that challenge and start a thread about it Lloyd...I dare you!

Yas , you are quite right - why would a communicator want to be exposed for the fraudsters they are ? It certainly would not be good for business....

Just to reiterate , Im sure that communicators are lovely people who may themselves believe that they are going a worth while positive thing. But to believe something to be true is not the same as the actual truth.

Please don't encourage people to spend money on this , there are vulnerable people who love there horses so much that they would try anything to resolve issues , sort problems or just generally try and help the animals they care about. But this nonsense is a farce that should not be condoned.

 

[YasandCrystal]

Yas , you are quite right - why would a communicator want to be exposed for the fraudsters they are ? It certainly would not be good for business....

Just to reiterate , Im sure that communicators are lovely people who may themselves believe that they are going a worth while positive thing. But to believe something to be true is not the same as the actual truth.

Please don't encourage people to spend money on this , there are vulnerable people who love there horses so much that they would try anything to resolve issues , sort problems or just generally try and help the animals they care about. But this nonsense is a farce that should not be condoned.

I will say as I find thanks Lloyd and it's up to people to decide ultimately if they want to use a communicator. One thing I know for sure is that I would never let a negative closed minded person like yourself sway me on any matter.
I like to judge on real experiences had by people not someone's adamant opinion against something they have never tried. You have still not answered others questions as to why you should feel so strongly against communicators. Is this a religious stance you have?

 

[mollichop]

O.k so since I had a negative experience but would like to get some answers for my mares behaviour, can anyone recommend someone to me please. Would a visit be better than over the phone do you think so they can get a better feeling from the horse?

I'm based in Cambridgeshire.

 

[lloyd]

Monstermunch - I have no qualms about admitting on this subject I am some what narrow minded , because as discussed I am only prepared to reason with what would be logical. This chap who gave you the - what turned out to be spot on advice - should be without doubt the most highly regarded equine diagnostic consultant in Europe. Lets get him working with the Vet colleges and specialist equine practitioners saving lives and easing the suffering of thousands of horses up and down the UK. Because if this chap really does have the "Gift" he could work with our Olympic team ensuring we have the best chance of a good result. Before long I would imagine some of the Saudi owners would be making the call to him and he would become world famous - on massive wages for his services. He would become a house hold name " The Man Who Can Diagnose Problems " God id love to meet him.... I wonder if he would take up my challenge ?

Or on the other hand he made an educated guess which turned out to be on the mark. By the laws of averages im sure you cant be wrong all the time....

 

[glitterbug]

mollichop I think you ought to have someone see your mare as opposed to a phone reading, I would recommend Gaynor Davenport as I was sceptical but at wits end and she told me stuff about the horse she could never have known

 

[lloyd]

I will say as I find thanks Lloyd and it's up to people to decide ultimately if they want to use a communicator. One thing I know for sure is that I would never let a negative closed minded person like yourself sway me on any matter.
I like to judge on real experiences had by people not someone's adamant opinion against something they have never tried. You have still not answered others questions as to why you should feel so strongly against communicators. Is this a religious stance you have?

Yas - please prove me wrong and take up my challenge , match 10 mares to 10 foals and I will be the biggest believer on the planet - on this I am both open minded and positive This could be the real life experience I have been looking for...

 

[YasandCrystal]

Yas - please prove me wrong and take up my challenge , match 10 mares to 10 foals and I will be the biggest believer on the planet - on this I am both open minded and positive This could be the real life experience I have been looking for...

Oh I would if I could just to poke you in the eye!!! But sadly I am no communicator. You need great patience and calm in your life to do communication - mine zips along at 100mph, so no chance there. I still am puzzled that you think it is such a 'mystical/spiritual' thing. It is nothing of the kind. The fact that many alternate therapy practitioners pick up information often intuitively whilst treating an animal does not mean it is voodoo spiritual amazingly clever or any suchlike. My abused horse has made a communicator cry and a bodyworker the minute they touched him. He has also made me cry with his teeth, but that's another story!
The communicator is just in tune with their own and the horses sense, call it telepathy, feeling etc. It's the most basic of instincts - like 'gut feelings'. Most of us have lost this powerful communication tool in this racy technological age. It's called 'being in tune with your surroundings and life'. Nothing weird or new age here, more stone age and forgotten methinks!

 

[lloyd]

Still no takers ?

I think that it's self says everything there is to say on the subject.....

 

[ngrace]

I think things like that are worth a a try, even if you are skeptic, worth chancing the money, just in case it solves all your problems and you live happy ever after! It could stop you from being crushed..

 

[lloyd]

I think things like that are worth a a try, even if you are skeptic, worth chancing the money, just in case it solves all your problems and you live happy ever after! It could stop you from being crushed..

How exactly could it stop you from being crushed ? ehh ???

 

[ngrace]

How exactly could it stop you from being crushed ? ehh ???

Ok no need for that tone, thank you.

If the person helps stop the rearing, then the pony wont fall on the rider if it rears and goes over backwards.

Because if this chap really does have the "Gift" he could work with our Olympic team ensuring we have the best chance of a good result. Before long I would imagine some of the Saudi owners would be making the call to him and he would become world famous - on massive wages for his services. He would become a house hold name " The Man Who Can Diagnose Problems " God id love to meet him.... I wonder if he would take up my challenge ?

I think this guy has other priorities, not helping people win the olympics. And he cant just go round helping every single horse in the world, people need to make a living.

 

[lloyd]

Im sorry but I feel it is very irrisponsable to advise someone that as a safety precaution that they should use a horse comunicator to prevent them being injured.

 

[ngrace]

Im sorry but I feel it is very irrisponsable to advise someone that as a safety precaution that they should use a horse comunicator to prevent them being injured.

I think its irresponsible to advise someone not to 'waste their money' when it COULD stop a dangerous habit, which rearing is. And its not a 'safety precaution' it is an attempt at curing that dangerous habit - so dont twist my words.

I dont know what your problem is really, I was giving my opinion and you picked on my comment - I dont mind people contradicting me but your just being persistantly rude to me and others.

Apart from slagging people and off and being c*cky, you have not come up with any suggestions.

 

[jmb]

LLoyd. What is your suggestion of what I can do with my pony then? I am quite hurt that so far on this thread all you have been able to do is criticise. I am trying to be open minded and am giving this a try. I am as much of a skeptic as yourself! LOL. But why not, everything is worth a one of try??? If it doesnt work, it doesnt work. But at least then I can say I have gone down another route of attemping to fix the problem.

 

[YasandCrystal]

Lloyd is obviously not a religious person - the miracles in the bible are beyond the comprehension of most, but many religious believers do not question that they happened!

I could never be so arrogant as to discount anything I know little of.

Lloyd clearly just enjoys an argument.

 

[lloyd]

LLoyd. What is your suggestion of what I can do with my pony then? I am quite hurt that so far on this thread all you have been able to do is criticise. I am trying to be open minded and am giving this a try. I am as much of a skeptic as yourself! LOL. But why not, everything is worth a one of try??? If it doesnt work, it doesnt work. But at least then I can say I have gone down another route of attemping to fix the problem.

Tbh the solution to your problem may not be what you want to hear but sometimes the truth hurts. You want to compete in games on a pony that wants to rear , the first suggestion I would make is to get some professional instruction or to see if the pony will respond to training. You may find that if you are the member of a pony club then the coach is sure to know some really game kid that could perhaps straighten your pony out.

Any pony that wants to rear is a serous matter , I certainly wouldn't want my kid on a pony with this issue. Could it be that games my not be his or her forte , sometimes the best thing to do is to get a replacement that will actually do the job now as opposed to thinking that if you persevere you can make it do the job. My gf thought that she could work through similar dangerous issues with an event horse and 2 yrs down the line , 3 surgeries 2 big scars and an arm full of metal she wishes that she had given up and accepted that not every horse is suitable for every job we want them to do.

If it has got to the stage that you would conceder this nonsense then that tells me it's pretty serious , most games ponies I know are in there late teens and tried and tested and know there jobs well But are still quite buzzy , if this is what you want to take seriously then your pony club will be able to point you in the right direction of a suitable replacement.

From a purely personal point of view , if it was me ( and I'm not saying this is what you should do ) but any time it reared I'd get off it quick and get the wee bugger on the lunge and work it really hard - back on and if it does it again I'd keep doing the same . If after a few sessions it didn't respond then I would look for a replacement .