Remains of 37 dogs found at Save a Paw, Billericay

Awful, I couldn't believe what I was reading. It seemed to be suggesting (in the reporting I read) that these dogs were taken from owners all over the UK wanting to rehome them, under false pretences that the man they gave their dogs to was a caring new owner. But why would he want them if it was just to let them die, I cant see where the scam was in the set up? Those poor, poor owners though hoping their dogs might be one of the ones found alive. Heartbreaking.😢
 
Was it a ‘rescue’ or a foreign importer? Can I ask that?
I don’t go on any dog groups on fb.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Awful, I couldn't believe what I was reading. It seemed to be suggesting (in the reporting I read) that these dogs were taken from owners all over the UK wanting to rehome them, under false pretences that the man they gave their dogs to was a caring new owner. But why would he want them if it was just to let them die, I cant see where the scam was in the set up? Those poor, poor owners though hoping their dogs might be one of the ones found alive. Heartbreaking.😢
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They were large reactive type dogs he could move on to fighting homes.
 
All these adverts we see of powerful bull breeds, with bite history or aggression, whose owners cannot cope with them and somehow believe that their dog can be rehomed...

This is the sort of shit that happens to them.

The country needs to normalise euthanasia on behavioural grounds.
 
We've moved on a couple of dogs in the past for one reason or another, to people we knew or friends of friends and they had nice lives. Two relatively young and physically healthy dogs were PTS as we considered them too difficult to rehome/no one wanted dogs like them/it was too risky. It may have seemed harsh and I still do feel guilty about the most recent one, but it's better than ending up like this.
 
Please let them see sense and pts the ones they have got out. They were unmanageable before and I’m sure whatever he did to them will not have improved them.
Seriously you’d hand your dog over to a stranger from your car? The humans deserve any anguish, the dogs didn’t.

I’ve rehomed 2 dogs I couldn’t cope with, to intensely researched places. They are both living their best lives now. It can be done, but not like that lot.
 
It's the old 'going to live on a farm' schtick isn't it? Not having to look in the mirror and accept that you got it wrong for whatever reason and taking responsibility for that by making the very, very hard decision that behavioural euthanasia is the correct one. Mind you, a lot of vets are very anti doing so and can put serious pressure on owners/contact rescues themselves to avoid PTS.

Last time I was at the vets with one of mine for jabs, a newish vet while chatting was quite cross and critical that she couldn't find a rescue space for a dog in for BE with a bite history because he was young and mismanaged. I hope she got it when I asked what kind of homes were out there for a dog like this and how many dogs without obvious behavioural issues were being PTS in pounds every week while a difficult dog was clogging a kennel space. I know of one pound that is taking 3 van loads (anything between 18 - 30 dogs depending on size) for PTS every week because there are no rescue spaces and that pound has always been very proactive in finding spaces, it's how I know them!
 
skinnydipper said:
Do people who sell/rehome dogs via Pets4Homes visit the home the dog will be going to or do they just hand them over?
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Such a good point.

We picked up a Lurcher from an advert on the free ads or similar a number of years ago.

The people we picked her up from had had her just one week. They had concluded that she did not get on with their other dog, so they could not keep her.

The home they had got her from, was a young girl who had had a baby and basically forgotten about the dog. Left her locked up all the time.

She had no muscle, no confidence and was passed over to us in heat.

She was only a year old at this stage.

So this poor dog had been failed by the breeder, sending her off to an unsuitable home.

Failed by the first owner, doing no socialisation and giving her a really shitty start.

Then failed by the next home, who happily passed the lead across to us. No questions asked.

We could have been anyone with any cruel intentions.

My mum still has her. I think she must be about 13 now.
 

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skinnydipper said:
Do people who sell/rehome dogs via Pets4Homes visit the home the dog will be going to or do they just hand them over?
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It was many years ago now that I picked up a dog from the freeads but no, and I don’t recall being asked any questions about where she was going.

Bizarrely the previous owner cropped up on here years later looking for information on the whereabouts of another dog he’d sold at the same time, but not the one I’d taken.
 
My mum has had dogs from various freeads and you are right, she was never asked a thing.
I rehomed one through Facebook and did ask a million questions, references and everything. The other went to a friend who rehomes and on to a friend of hers.
I’m still in touch with both and get updates.
Rehoming isn’t always wrong.
 
People hand over dogs and puppies every day, how many do a home check before handing them over?

I think people can be forgiven for not asking to inspect the premises of a dog rescue before handing their dog over.

ETA The rescue charities I've adopted from have done home checks. The breeder of the puppy I bought didn't.
 
skinnydipper said:
People hand over dogs and puppies every day, how many do a home check before handing them over?

I think people can be forgiven for not asking to inspect the premises of a dog rescue before handing their dog over.
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We can agree to disagree on that one.
Although I haven’t had home checks when buying a pup I’ve had interviews, questionnaires, fb stalking and all sorts.
But if you are a I want a fluffy furbaby TODAY you probably don’t go to the sort of breeder that follows those protocols. (You as in anyone, not specific, I know you aren’t!).
 
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Clodagh said:
My mum has had dogs from various freeads and you are right, she was never asked a thing.
I rehomed one through Facebook and did ask a million questions, references and everything. The other went to a friend who rehomes and on to a friend of hers.
I’m still in touch with both and get updates.
Rehoming isn’t always wrong.
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My friend has gun dog breeds, and they used to sleep outside in a heated kennel when her children were small, so she could never rehome from a sort of rescue. She collected a black lab from someone advertising on Preloved, and she said the woman just opened the door handed her the lead and that was it.
A lot of people who rehome a dog, or even a horse, just want rid of the problem quickly, if its costing money or causing arguments at home, they just want to move the problem on. Then even the nicest sounding people lie, if you are being charitable they bend the truth to make themselves feel better about the situation.

As I see it there are three parts main parts to the problem, people want dogs like a car that reflects the version of themselves they want to present to the world, and because we have become a lazy society just can not be bothered to do research to find out even basic knowledge. They just want that cute dog they saw on TikTok.
Breeders are mainly breeding for money, what ever gloss you but on it, for most its tax free income, even 'good' breeders are very cute about money and inbreeding to cut costs is common. I think the large breed dogs not only attract a certain sort of buyer but also supplier as well.
There is not real outlet for these dogs, particularly large breeds when they are older, so perhaps the breeding of dogs certain breeds and over a certain size should be more strictly licenced, fees paid and the dogs have to be microchipped before sale. Like guns and drugs you can never fully control them, but they have links to organised crime so some effort should be made.
 
honetpot said:
My friend has gun dog breeds, and they used to sleep outside in a heated kennel when her children were small, so she could never rehome from a sort of rescue. She collected a black lab from someone advertising on Preloved, and she said the woman just opened the door handed her the lead and that was it.
A lot of people who rehome a dog, or even a horse, just want rid of the problem quickly, if its costing money or causing arguments at home, they just want to move the problem on. Then even the nicest sounding people lie, if you are being charitable they bend the truth to make themselves feel better about the situation.

As I see it there are three parts main parts to the problem, people want dogs like a car that reflects the version of themselves they want to present to the world, and because we have become a lazy society just can not be bothered to do research to find out even basic knowledge. They just want that cute dog they saw on TikTok.
Breeders are mainly breeding for money, what ever gloss you but on it, for most its tax free income, even 'good' breeders are very cute about money and inbreeding to cut costs is common. I think the large breed dogs not only attract a certain sort of buyer but also supplier as well.
There is not real outlet for these dogs, particularly large breeds when they are older, so perhaps the breeding of dogs certain breeds and over a certain size should be more strictly licenced, fees paid and the dogs have to be microchipped before sale. Like guns and drugs you can never fully control them, but they have links to organised crime so some effort should be made.
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I don’t agree that good breeders inbreed to save money.
I agree with the rest of what you say.
 
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