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I am complete DIY in a complete mess of a yard, we have to do everything ourselves from post and rail to running electric to the stables etc.... I stay there because of the price but I am being told this is going up 20% from Jan 1st

How much do you pay for complete DIY? and where abouts are you?

Think I will ring around and see what other yards are charging.
 
we have to do everything ourselves from post and rail to running electric to the stables etc
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sorry this amused me!! You are on a DIY yard clue is in the name...DO IT YOURSELF!! you are paying for hire of the land!!!! not for yard owner to do all your work!

We are on FULL DIY and pay with stable £25 per week for stable and field, the rest of what we need is down to us. Berks/oxon area. Fab school lunge pen etc etc...
 
I am on a small yard, with an indoor school, areas for feed, hay, bedding and all the huge amount of stuff I have accumlated over the years storage.

The YO does all the maintenance on the property and I can have assisted or full livery if I wish on a variable basis.

I pay £30 a week for each of my horses for stable, grazing and use of the school. I am near Epping/Harlow in Essex.
 
Here in Surrey it is between £20 - £35 a week depending on facilities. 20% is a huge hike - what is the reasoning? Were you all paying a low rent and it hasn't changed for years or has the owner upgraded the facilities?

I would take the opportunity to have a good look round and see what else is out there :)
 
Cheshire - £26.50 per week and includes turnout/stable/lights/use of the arena etc and yes, the YOs do the general yard mantenance.
Yard I moved off was £25 per week and pretty much the same although they usually had some one else come and do any work that needed doing!
 
I pay £7 per week, thats the only reason why my horses are still here!!! External stock fencing and the water done by land owners, everything else is up to us.
Use of good outdoor arena with some jumps and 40 odd acres of farm to ride around/school in. Used to have XC jumps too, but they all got taken down sadly.
 
chestercharlie said:
sorry this amused me!! You are on a DIY yard clue is in the name...DO IT YOURSELF!! you are paying for hire of the land!!!! not for yard owner to do all your work!
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I would disagree, unless you she is hiring the whole yard.
I was on a DIY yard where you had to put up your own electric fence, provided by the YO. I left.
I don't pay good money to spend what precious time I have running electric fencing for my horses neighbour to storm right through it.

Had never been on a yard like it and I won't ever be again!!

In Lancs where I am, DIY is between £25-£35.
 
Splish & Masons mum said:
I would expect the land owner to do the yard maintenance, even on a DIY yard...
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Me too, if I'm paying only land rent then I would expect to maintain fields etc, but I would take livery to include field maintenance etc, the DIY part being looking after your horse.

Back to the OPs question, I pay £28 a week for DIY (though they are great at helping when you need for a small extra charge) grass livery. I don't grudge a penny of what I pay even though its £10 a week more than I paid at my previous yard. The owners take a huge amount of pride in maintaining the yard to a really high standard, fields are harrowed and rested when required and ad-lib haylage is available as soon as the grass shows any sign of not growing anymore and anything that breaks is fixed very quickly.

There is an all weather outdoor school and really good facilities for tack, feed etc.

I'm in Tayside.
 
My basic DIY is £20 per week and do the maintenance myself. Clients provide hay/bedding/hard feed etc, but I can provide haylage if required at additional cost.

Have you asked why the increase? I haven't raised prices for the last 2yrs, but if the elec bills go up much more, will have to next Spring - after all we are businesses not charities!
 
I'm apying £15/week per horse, I get a 30 x 40m sheep shed and grazing for that - everything else I provide myself and do myself. Saying that my YO breeds TB's himself so we help each other out now and again.
 
""I pay £7 per week, thats the only reason why my horses are still here!!! External stock fencing and the water done by land owners, everything else is up to us.""

I dont know where you are but that is VERY cheap!!

If the farmer has provided a perimiter fence and it is your decision to put in post and rail fencing and electric to your stables then it is your respnsibility for the maintance and cost involved.

Even with it going up 20% only takes it to £8.40 a week which doesnt even get you grass livery round here let alone stables, outdoor school with jumps and 40 acres to ride in.

I think you are going to get a horrible shock when you start looking around for somewhere else.
 
annbal said:
I am complete DIY in a complete mess of a yard, we have to do everything ourselves from post and rail to running electric to the stables etc.... I stay there because of the price but I am being told this is going up 20% from Jan 1st

How much do you pay for complete DIY? and where abouts are you?

Think I will ring around and see what other yards are charging.
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Approx £50/£55 a week this price includes the extra's (trailer/bring in/boots)for DIY on big 40+ stabled indoor yard with indoor horse walker, solarium, washbox, very small indoor school/lunging area, and 65 x 45 approx metre arena (with a surface unrideable in this weather).
 
I paid £25 per week for stable, individual turnout on good grazing, which was well fenced and maintained. Floodlit outdoor school with access to jumps. YO did all maintainence.

I have since moved and pay £25 per week for two, at a private yard, where they live out on good grazing, with shelters, no school, I can use stables if I want (but I dont!!) but where obviously I have to do more stuff myself, becuase I don;t expect the owner to do everything. So we both do what we can.
 
£30 per week includes approx 3 pallets of storage plus personal back storage in stable for tack and rugs as well as all turnout maintained, electric, water and use of 20X60 school. Lights are £1 and its DIY in that we do everything in the day to day care of the horses and gritting/breaking troughs etc in winter. But electrics are put up, burst pipes repaired and fields topped by the yard owner! :)
 
sorry this amused me!! You are on a DIY yard clue is in the name...DO IT YOURSELF!! you are paying for hire of the land!!!! not for yard owner to do all your work!
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Actually that is not the case.

OP - I was paying around £25 DIY, this included well maintained fields, a good sized stable, well maintained yard generally and unlimited use of the School. Hay was supplied, but not included in the price.
 
flaxen said:
""I pay £7 per week, thats the only reason why my horses are still here!!! External stock fencing and the water done by land owners, everything else is up to us.""

I dont know where you are but that is VERY cheap!!

If the farmer has provided a perimiter fence and it is your decision to put in post and rail fencing and electric to your stables then it is your respnsibility for the maintance and cost involved.

Even with it going up 20% only takes it to £8.40 a week which doesnt even get you grass livery round here let alone stables, outdoor school with jumps and 40 acres to ride in.

I think you are going to get a horrible shock when you start looking around for somewhere else.
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Oh, Iam not planning on moving!! We put up with clay pigeon shoots with shots flying in all directions, heavy plant machinary zooming in and out, and chain sawing/logging business RIGHT outside the arena. Put up with foul language from the workmen, and a long uphill walk to the field, not to mention that we had to create our own stables out of a tin hut and an old garage because the main yard was going to be rented out by some other equally mad person who pays more that the average for what we get! I am here because it is cheap, otherwise the horses would have to move to my fathers farm, which would cost a fair bit more in fuel just getting there! In a way Iam lucky, but seriously its no place for horses with all that going on. And I have young children who I have to watch like a hawk in case something dangerous just turns up!
 
£50 per week up here

That includes bedding, ad lib haylage and unlimited school access. There is also a groom and, even though she doesn't muck my boy out she usually does everything else and checks he's ok
 
I pay £15 a week. All stables are rubber matted and built in water bowls, very posh yard. Use off walker, school, gallops , jumps etc.

All maintance is carried out via the yard owner and NOT BY THE LIVERYS. That's what you pay for
 
My pony lives on a truly DIY farm that is basically falling apart at the seams, the land will be developed into a new housing estate soon and the farmer has totally lost interest. We do all the small maintainance jobs and bodge stuff as much as we can for the sake of our horses but there are big things that are just beyond us in terms of cost (ultimately he's the farm tenant not me-fixing acres of crumbling fencing and hedgerows, damage to underground pipes etc I feel are beyond our remit) We try not to bother our farmer too much but it can be frustrating. For stable with electricity,water, plenty of space and massive fields and total freedom we pay £60 per month per horse. Hacking not brilliant and no school, fields often too wet to ride on.

My horse also lives on a DIY farm but the YO there takes care of all the repairs, manages the fields, provides haylage and straw there is a school and great hacking too-we pay £120 per month per horse and to me, to not have to worry about all that maintainace stuff is worth every penny. Though I think he will be putting up his prices soon.
 
OP you don't say how much you are currently paying (or I may have missed this) Does it include a school? Is there hay and straw included? Has the YO given reasons for this increase (for example he never used to provide hay and straw but is now going to, or he/she has just built a sandschool which was not included in the livery previously) Is the YO now going to take a more active role in maintainence.

I have to say that there are infact many different versions of 'DIY Livery' none of them are really wrong or right, The YO rents out grazing/ stable and use of any other facilities on their terms, they an take as active arole, or as little a part in the yard as they wish. The only thing they need to have is insurance. I am assuming that most people know what type of set up they are going to and if they move into a yard they therefore accept this version of DIY at their yard.

OP you have said that the price was cheap by comparison to other yards and that you knew the set up but chose the yard because of pricing, not because of provisions and facilities (so this is not really a question of whether YO is right or wrong for the way they run the yard). The questions that you need to be asking are:

What are you paying and what does it include
What are other DIY yards charging and what do they include
What will you be paying with the increase and what changes other than money will it mean at your yard
How will the new price compare with the other yards financially, will it still be cheaper
As a result of the changes will it make more sense to move or stay in light of the DIY 'package' and cost.

Make sure that you weigh up everything (including petrol, convenience and disruption to your horse) such as facilities, cost, type of yard (busy or quiet)

Oh and...

The least I have paid is 15 per week (stable/grazing/ feed store/ no tack room - no school/ good hacking/no YO involvement/ hay and straw extra)

The most I have paid for DIY is £27 50 per week (stable, own paddock, feed room, own lockable tack room, floodlight rubber sandschool with lightweight jumps/ haylage included) good management from YO, and a pricelist for extras (feedding/ turn out/ rug change/ vet &farrier/ additional part and full livery options)
 
Thanks for all the replys, after looking around the rent seems to be in line with the area (Surrey) - £30 per week.
Looks like I was getting it cheap for a while, but it still stings to find the extra money a month....hey ho!
When I meant electric I meant cables for lights in the stables, and water etc. I would expect to run electric fencing to divide my fields up.
The yard is a mess, but looks like we will have new management from Jan, hence the price hike and things will be improved.
 
chestercharlie said:
sorry this amused me!! You are on a DIY yard clue is in the name...DO IT YOURSELF!! you are paying for hire of the land!!!! not for yard owner to do all your work!

We are on FULL DIY and pay with stable £25 per week for stable and field, the rest of what we need is down to us. Berks/oxon area. Fab school lunge pen etc etc...
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Well, actually, there are DIY yards and DIY yards - the last one I was at we had to do everything which included maintaining the place - that was £80 per month (field and stable) but grazing was rubbish and no school. I am now at a DIY place where the YO maintains the place and we just do our horses - fantastic grazing, indoor and outdoor schools £108 per month - both in South Bucks. Need I explain why I moved.....
 
annbal said:
Thanks for all the replys, after looking around the rent seems to be in line with the area (Surrey) - £30 per week.
Looks like I was getting it cheap for a while, but it still stings to find the extra money a month....hey ho!
When I meant electric I meant cables for lights in the stables, and water etc. I would expect to run electric fencing to divide my fields up.
The yard is a mess, but looks like we will have new management from Jan, hence the price hike and things will be improved.
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Wouldn't like the cables TBH but, sounds like things could be getting better, I would probably hold out to see how things go with new management. If no good then look around, but fingers crossed for you, although 20% is a lot to find it may just be worth it in the end :D
 
mcnaughty said:
Well, actually, there are DIY yards and DIY yards - the last one I was at we had to do everything which included maintaining the place - that was £80 per month (field and stable) but grazing was rubbish and no school. I am now at a DIY place where the YO maintains the place and we just do our horses - fantastic grazing, indoor and outdoor schools £108 per month - both in South Bucks. Need I explain why I moved.....
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Generally speaking, DIY means that you look after your horse yourself, and the stable and field are provided and maintained my the owner.

For £80 a month , if you were doing fencing, creosoting, etc they must have been rubbing their hands with glee! I could do with DIYs like that! Ours trashed the place (not intentionally!) and we fixed everything.

I don't include poo picking in maintenance - on DIY that should be done by the horse owner really.
 
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