Repeal Possible Without Scottish Labour MPs

[Judgemental]

On the subject of repeal I personally think we are quite lucky to have Cameron as leader, as he is a lot more sympathetic than your average Tory minister.

Interestingly, William Hague said yesterday that government plans for English Votes for English Laws will begin being set out by the end of November, and that the government will go it alone if Labour does not agree with them and continues to veto the suggestions simply because it would damage their political power.

Clearly Gordon Brown is the best person to handle the mechanics and to act in the best interests of all parties.

He will of course act in the long term best interest of Scotland and the Scottish Labour Party.

I would give very short odds that he would go along with English Votes for English matters, whereas Mr Milliband probably does not understand the long term, largely because he is a Green Horn and does not understand Scottish politics.

So far as we are concerned in my opinion, the Brown end result negotiated with the current government, would provide easier legislation for the countryside and country sports.

 

[Judgemental]

So Mr Cameron is refusing to pay the latest £1.7 billion bill from the EU by 1 December 2014. Or is it Euros?

Either way, 1 December 2014 is also the date that the Rural Payments Agency are due to start paying the 2014 Single Farm Payment entitlements, which comes from exactly the same department in the EU that is asking for the £1.7 billion.

One or two farmer's bankers are going to be a little concerned..........to say the least.

In the circumstances one wonders if the SFP will continue into 2015 as the 1 December 2014 is the end of the current programme.

The Rochester By-Election is on 20 November 2014 ............interesting

 

[LittleRooketRider]

Either way, 1 December 2014 is also the date that the Rural Payments Agency are due to start paying the 2014 Single Farm Payment entitlements, which comes from exactly the same department in the EU that is asking for the £1.7 billion.

One or two farmer's bankers are going to be a little concerned..........to say the least.

Especially as certain prices eg. for milk have drastically dropped again.

I won't pretend to understand the politics etc but am I right in reading your post as to be saying that Brown is perhaps more synpathetic (for want of a better word) to those wishing to revoke the ban? I do get very confused but fnd it interesting all the same

Talking of scottish politics a friend of mine told me something i thought was interesting....

Cameron himself has scottish roots yet was basically excluded from the forefront of the better together campaign...I think this speaks volumes about the general opinion of him amongst politicians

 

[Alec Swan]

So Mr Cameron is refusing to pay the latest £1.7 billion bill from the EU by 1 December 2014. Or is it Euros?

Either way, 1 December 2014 is also the date that the Rural Payments Agency are due to start paying the 2014 Single Farm Payment entitlements, which comes from exactly the same department in the EU that is asking for the £1.7 billion.

One or two farmer's bankers are going to be a little concerned..........to say the least.

In the circumstances one wonders if the SFP will continue into 2015 as the 1 December 2014 is the end of the current programme.

The Rochester By-Election is on 20 November 2014 ............interesting

J_M, as fond of you as I am, and as I'm equally as considerate of your thoughts and suggestions, YET AGAIN, you are talking Bullocks!

Alec.

 

[Judgemental]

J_M, as fond of you as I am, and as I'm equally as considerate of your thoughts and suggestions, YET AGAIN, you are talking Bullocks!

Alec.

Well those too, price is not good or really sustaining production costs.

Lets look at the current scenario. All this money being peddled by the EU. It's a gift to UKIP.

On the one hand there is the publicity concerning the bill for £1.7 billion, on the other the credit for the Single Farm Payment will be due at the same time and whilst I do not know the exact figure it is well in excess of £1.7 billion of hand outs to farmers and landowners.

Perhaps Alec you know the total figure for 2014?

All in all it's a very significant factor in any election and I suspect the EU are playing games with our membership of the EU, on the premise we will eventually leave but they don't like Mr Cameron.

In a nut shell, they are saying "we know you want to leave but don't forget the SFP, oh and you don't want to pay the latest bill. If we don't pay the SFP how is that going to effect Mr Cameron's core vote and landowning/farming vote"

Do you follow?

 

[Judgemental]

J_M, as fond of you as I am, and as I'm equally as considerate of your thoughts and suggestions, YET AGAIN, you are talking Bullocks!

Alec.

Alec I watched the PM's statement in the H of C and then I watched the statement by the EU Finance Minister - Single Farm Payment - Rebate was mentioned in the context of Agricultural entitlement.

1 December was well trailed if the EU say they are going to withhold the SFP, what are you for example, going to say to your MP or indeed to PM?

 

[AengusOg]

am I right in reading your post as to be saying that Brown is perhaps more synpathetic (for want of a better word) to those wishing to revoke the ban?

I doubt it. Around 35 years ago, in Gordon Brown's early days as an elected MP, he was one of 20 odd politicians who signed their names to a list who were committed to ban hunting. A friend and I went to a public meeting and challenged him on it, and we were lucky to get out of the hall without being beaten up by a bunch of labour-voting meat heads who took exception to our attack on their leader.

Mind you, politicians change their minds according to what they think voters want to hear, so who knows?

 

[LittleRooketRider]

I doubt it. Around 35 years ago, in Gordon Brown's early days as an elected MP, he was one of 20 odd politicians who signed their names to a list who were committed to ban hunting. A friend and I went to a public meeting and challenged him on it, and we were lucky to get out of the hall without being beaten up by a bunch of labour-voting meat heads who took exception to our attack on their leader.


Mind you, politicians change their minds according to what they think voters want to hear, so who knows?

thanks...some of what J and AS say is well quite a bit above my head but I still like to be able to further my understanding of..well. life and all its aspects...even pointless/pretentious politicians/politics

 

[Countryman]

I won't pretend to understand the politics etc but am I right in reading your post as to be saying that Brown is perhaps more synpathetic (for want of a better word) to those wishing to revoke the ban? I do get very confused but fnd it interesting all the same

I'm fairly sure JM didn't mean that. Brown voted for the hunting ban and in the 2010 election criticised the tories for wanting repeal, saying " I also want to put on record my total commitment, that under a Labour government this ban on cruelty will be maintained. Fox hunting should stay in the history books where it belongs."


David Cameron on the other hand has, from the outset, promised a vote on repeal when there is a Conservative majority-which hasn't happened yet. Coming from a hunting family and with a rural constituency he is actually one of the more especially pro-hunt Conservatives.

 

[Alec Swan]

…….. , in Gordon Brown's early days as an elected MP, he was one of 20 odd politicians who signed their names to a list who were committed to ban hunting. ……..

This does rather raise the question of ethics, and so poses another question; Should politicians be permitted to use their position as a platform for their own agendas, or should their focus be on representing those who, in theory, they represent.

I suppose that by argument we could say that without Wilberforce and his likes, we'd still have slavery, but theirs a world of difference between judging the conduct of our fellow man from a standpoint of whether the campaigner or the populous are to benefit. It's all to do with the perceived gravity of the subject; The driver doing 35mph in a 30mph limit, isn't committing quite the offence of the man doing 90mph in the same area, for instance.

I remain convinced that those who are opposed to Hunting, in the main, are opposed to the Hunter rather than their sport.

Alec.

 

[LittleRooketRider]

This does rather raise the question of ethics, and so poses another question; Should politicians be permitted to use their position as a platform for their own agendas, or should their focus be on representing those who, in theory, they represent.

I suppose that by argument we could say that without Wilberforce and his likes, we'd still have slavery, but theirs a world of difference between judging the conduct of our fellow man from a standpoint of whether the campaigner or the populous are to benefit. It's all to do with the perceived gravity of the subject; The driver doing 35mph in a 30mph limit, isn't committing quite the offence of the man doing 90mph in the same area, for instance.

I remain convinced that those who are opposed to Hunting, in the main, are opposed to the Hunter rather than their sport.

Alec.

Yes ..you only have to listen to their "accurate" commentary which accompanies their endless you tube clips, its a class battle.