RESCUE CHARITY THOUGHTS ON THIS?

Really sad to read the above.

I was reading on WHW site tonight about 2 horses in London, who were chained to the wheels of cars in front of a house, and one had caught his head and could not move! The owner was proposing to leave them there for several days whilst he build a shed, after WHW intervention and advice they have now been moved to a field.
 
This is what I suspected after reading things about Hillside, and the founder, worrying thing is so many people giving money to this so called sanctuary, and seem to think their money is being well spent. Um I suspect it is someone on a big ego trip thinking everyone agrees with their views at the compromise of animal welfare.

They haven't been rescued they are just suffering at the hands of another human who is addicted to buying/owning horses.
wallykissmas said:
Redwings and hillside are no longer connected. It is rumoured that hillsides owner was asked to give up the position at redwings due to financial claims.

Hillside horses are scattered around the Norwich countryside , knee deep in mud until, feb time when they decided to put straw around the hay feeders - however the ones in field down little lanes that the visitors do not see have no where near as much as the others on the main yard.

The fields seem to be full of coloured cob types, lot look young, there are often new ones added weekly and can even been seen in the owners drive way.

The fields down lanes are full of barbed wire and its very sad to see that with some one to one these horses could be knee deep in straw, hay and human attention instead of mud and poo..

They have no grass on their field and there must be at least 20 horses on five acres ...
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Bertieb123 said:
......., worrying thing is so many people giving money to this so called sanctuary, and seem to think their money is being well spent.

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I agree with you, but that poses the question, just which charity would you donate to?

Hillside, as you've said. They are, or should be at risk of prosecution, and would be if the rspca weren't so spineless. They have no regard for the Law, what so ever.

Redwings have an annual income of £3 MILLION, and reserves of £24 MILLION, we have families in this country, who through no fault of their own are on the bread line, so do they really need further funding?

The rspca, whilst cutting back as fast as they can, and virtually franchising their centres, having spent circa £4 MILLION on a new head office, can still find in excess of £236 THOUSAND pounds to bring about a politically motivated and pointless prosecution. Do they need our hard earned money?

The lacs, are already heavily funded by left wing lunatics, who stand by and watch the most appalling abuse of deer within their "sanctuary". Do they deserve support? Do they ****.

Let me see now, who else is there? Every now and then when we shop in Morrisons, there are animal charity volunteers standing at the exit, rattling their tins. I always explain that what ever spare funds I have, I give to those charities which support children. They rarely look too impressed!

Alec.
 
Not wanting to sound mean I do not donate to ANY charities, though I do sponsor people who do things for a limited few of them and I volunteer for many things in my local community, I agree Alec (and its why I don't donate to charity organisations) some of these large organisations have so much money they don't know what to do with it apart from pay their chief executive and staff a huge salary and ignore what they were originally set up to do. As for places like Hillside I personally think they need looking into.
Alec Swan said:
I agree with you, but that poses the question, just which charity would you donate to?

Hillside, as you've said. They are, or should be at risk of prosecution, and would be if the rspca weren't so spineless. They have no regard for the Law, what so ever.

Redwings have an annual income of £3 MILLION, and reserves of £24 MILLION, we have families in this country, who through no fault of their own are on the bread line, so do they really need further funding?

The rspca, whilst cutting back as fast as they can, and virtually franchising their centres, having spent circa £4 MILLION on a new head office, can still find in excess of £236 THOUSAND pounds to bring about a politically motivated and pointless prosecution. Do they need our hard earned money?

The lacs, are already heavily funded by left wing lunatics, who stand by and watch the most appalling abuse of deer within their "sanctuary". Do they deserve support? Do they ****.

Let me see now, who else is there? Every now and then when we shop in Morrisons, there are animal charity volunteers standing at the exit, rattling their tins. I always explain that what ever spare funds I have, I give to those charities which support children. They rarely look too impressed!

Alec.
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MillyMoomie said:
Apologies in advance Alec.

This is what you donate to.

http://youtu.be/PZLR-0mRSkM
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As a courtesy to you, I watched your youtube piece. Unfortunately, life isn't like that, for most of the time. Would you like me to put together a similar piece, but including the rspca failures? The failures are legion, even though you may chose to ignore them.

The major failing, of your charity, in my view, is that the senior management are hopeless, they direct a charity which is more interested in fund raising than animal welfare, and they are, in short an embarrassment. With replaced senior management, replaced by those who are able to focus upon the core ideals of your society, and the RSPCA will have my unqualified support.

Thos individual inspectors, those who operate and are the face that the public see, have a degree of respect. Hampered though they are by halfwits, the bulk of them soldier on, and again, one cannot but admire their stoicism.

M_M, you and I will never see eye to eye, on this matter. We both see the charity which you support, from totally converging viewpoints, and it's highly unlikely that we will find common ground. Well, not until you come to your senses! :p:D (That's a joke, before you go in to orbit!).

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
Thos individual inspectors, those who operate and are the face that the public see, have a degree of respect. Hampered though they are by halfwits, the bulk of them soldier on, and again, one cannot but admire their stoicism.

Alec.
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Your arrogance and ignorance shines through again Alec.
 
Moomin1 said:
Your arrogance and ignorance shines through again Alec.
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How kind and thoughtful of you! :D Having personally witnessed the direct incompetence of rspca inspectors, on several occasions, I wouldn't say that "ignorance" was actually the right word. "Experienced" might have been a better choice. ;)

Arrogance? Now that's a different matter, and to it you might have added my further qualities. I'm bombastic, boastful, conceited, irritable and irritating, pompous, self opinionated and on occasions, a bore.

Apart from being considered to still be good looking, and wealthy, I think that the above cataloguing of my qualities, is a fair and honest resume! Doubtless you'll be able to extend the list. :cool:

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
How kind and thoughtful of you! :D Having personally witnessed the direct incompetence of rspca inspectors, on several occasions, I wouldn't say that "ignorance" was actually the right word. "Experienced" might have been a better choice. ;)

Arrogance? Now that's a different matter, and to it you might have added my further qualities. I'm bombastic, boastful, conceited, irritable and irritating, pompous, self opinionated and on occasions, a bore.

Apart from being considered to still be good looking, and wealthy, I think that the above cataloguing of my qualities, is a fair and honest resume! Doubtless you'll be able to extend the list. :cool:

Alec.
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Well I suppose everyone has the odd redeeming quality
 
Alec Swan said:
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Thos individual inspectors, those who operate and are the face that the public see, have a degree of respect. Hampered though they are by halfwits, the bulk of them soldier on, and again, one cannot but admire their stoicism.

Alec.
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Moomin1 said:
Your arrogance and ignorance shines through again Alec.
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Oh dear, it's just occurred to me, I was wondering why you seemed to be quite so cross; You're not one of the "Halfwits" I referred to, are you? That can be the only reason, that I can see. :confused:

Alec.
 
Can someone please help me out here with regard to the principles relating to rescue charities. I'm not referring to any specific organisations (especially as I don't live in the UK, but I do spend some time there).

Am I correct that if you register an entity as a charity, you will effectively forfeit any real privacy in your financial dealings and be held to a higher level of scrutiny than, for example, a private limited company?

Simply stated, a person or group could register a private limited company to rescue horses (dogs, cats, rats, whatever they want) and could invite anyone to donate hay, cash etc. They would not be accountable for what they receive by way of donations, would they? However if the entity is a registered charity then proper accounting for all donations and expenditure etc would be required ie full transparency.

Do I understand this correctly, as I've tried to outline above, or am I wrong?
 
Alec Swan said:
Oh dear, it's just occurred to me, I was wondering why you seemed to be quite so cross; You're not one of the "Halfwits" I referred to, are you? That can be the only reason, that I can see. :confused:

Alec.
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Do you know, you are very young for your age Alec!
 
Ancient Hacker said:
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Simply stated, a person or group could register a private limited company to rescue horses (dogs, cats, rats, whatever they want) and could invite anyone to donate hay, cash etc.

They would not be accountable for what they receive by way of donations, would they? However if the entity is a registered charity then proper accounting for all donations and expenditure etc would be required ie full transparency.

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I'm not sure of the answers, but I suspect that if you have a Limited Company, you would be responsible for having audited accounts.

Any monies changing hands, by way of donations, would need to be included in the accounts which, registered as a charity or not, would need to be declared to HMRC. That's what I think, but I'm not certain.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
I'm not sure of the answers, but I suspect that if you have a Limited Company, you would be responsible for having audited accounts.

Any monies changing hands, by way of donations, would need to be included in the accounts which, registered as a charity or not, would need to be declared to HMRC. That's what I think, but I'm not certain.

Alec.
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Hello Alec, thank you for your response. I'm sure all business entities will require audited AFS etc, particularly for tax purposes. However, if you and I decided to incorporate a private limited company to operate a rescue operation for horses and hounds (simply by way of example) but we didn't register as a charity, we would be obliged to declare all donations and benefits received. Whether we did in fact declare them is another matter entirely,of course. But if we did not register as a charity then - as I understand it - there are no checks and balances in place to ensure that we're not using the donations primarily towards our own animals and their vet bills, building an indoor arena for our own use etc and generally improving our private property at the expense of misguided but generous members of the public.

I think I might be right in the above example, so I'm off to set up a FaceBook page, to hurry along the urgent support I need for my air-conditioned indoor arena. My horses just mentioned, in passing, that it's a bit hot so a horsepool might be handy, too. But seriously, in the example I've given it would be easy to improve our own equestrian estate at the cost of others, wouldn't it?

I still don't understand why people insist on giving to entities that are not proper, registered charities. Maybe I'm just a cynical Old Hacker! :eek:
 
Alec Swan said:
Arrogance? Now that's a different matter, and to it you might have added my further qualities. I'm bombastic, boastful, conceited, irritable and irritating, pompous, self opinionated and on occasions, a bore.

Apart from being considered to still be good looking, and wealthy, I think that the above cataloguing of my qualities, is a fair and honest resume! Doubtless you'll be able to extend the list. :cool:

Alec.
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But that's why we love you Alec.
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Alec, I for one can agree too this I have also had experience of the RSPCA and their inspectors and so have others I know and some things are shocking especially when the evidence of abuse has been there plain to see, perhaps the inspectors are out of their depth or they told not to take on cases that are not straight forward (cost money) or perhaps there not the media there to log it, I cannot answer to why sometimes they turn a blind eye, perhaps someone can?
Alec Swan said:
How kind and thoughtful of you! :D Having personally witnessed the direct incompetence of rspca inspectors, on several occasions, I wouldn't say that "ignorance" was actually the right word. "Experienced" might have been a better choice. ;)

Arrogance? Now that's a different matter, and to it you might have added my further qualities. I'm bombastic, boastful, conceited, irritable and irritating, pompous, self opinionated and on occasions, a bore.

Apart from being considered to still be good looking, and wealthy, I think that the above cataloguing of my qualities, is a fair and honest resume! Doubtless you'll be able to extend the list. :cool:

Alec.
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No Alec, I don't know you personally but there is no way I would call you them things! If people think that then that's their problem, We all have an opinion and sometimes people don't like that! LOL!
 
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Ancient Hacker said:
Hello Alec, thank you for your response. I'm sure all business entities will require audited AFS etc, particularly for tax purposes. However, if you and I decided to incorporate a private limited company to operate a rescue operation for horses and hounds (simply by way of example) but we didn't register as a charity, we would be obliged to declare all donations and benefits received. Whether we did in fact declare them is another matter entirely,of course. But if we did not register as a charity then - as I understand it - there are no checks and balances in place to ensure that we're not using the donations primarily towards our own animals and their vet bills, building an indoor arena for our own use etc and generally improving our private property at the expense of misguided but generous members of the public.

I think I might be right in the above example, so I'm off to set up a FaceBook page, to hurry along the urgent support I need for my air-conditioned indoor arena. My horses just mentioned, in passing, that it's a bit hot so a horsepool might be handy, too. But seriously, in the example I've given it would be easy to improve our own equestrian estate at the cost of others, wouldn't it?

I still don't understand why people insist on giving to entities that are not proper, registered charities. Maybe I'm just a cynical Old Hacker! :eek:
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No not a cynical Old Hacker, a good point.
 
I have also witnessed the incompetence of the good old rspca.
I met wendy valentine a couple of times about 20 yrs ago, seemed to have some odd ideas, one of them not rehoming.
 
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