Rescuers create horses that need rescued.

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Please don't buy rescues, as you are creating the demand for them, which unscrupulous suppliers/dealers will profit from.

I understand that you do it with the best of intentions (and a certain feel good factor from posting about your good deeds, perhaps).

But think - the supplier is using your 'fuel' money or '£50 fee' to produce the next larger crop of neglected, ecto and endoparasite-ridden, malnourished and badly conformed equidae thanks to your help. You are colluding in equine misery. :(

If they are well cared for meat horses - let them go for meat. If they are not, report the owners to the police, BHS, WHW, Etc, and let action be taken against them to prevent a recurrence.

Please don't fund this.
S :)
 
I completely agree with you. To me, it's the same as buying a puppy from a puppy farm. I'm not sure how to make people see it though. I think the charities should be leading the way in educating people.
 
I totally agree with you, but ..... On the other hand ... my friend showed me her 4yo "rescue" today. She got it from the meat man for 40 quid as a 14 month old scrag and turned it out with her retired mare to grow up (after administering some much needed medical care) .... Today, its a handsome, 15hh cob with lovely action, a great temperament and the potential to make her a great hack/club horse. She's given it a lot of time due to its poor start so its about to be backed now, but she's got herself a cracker ... sometimes, these situations do work out.
 
it can work if the 'rescuer' has more than a single brain cell and knows one end of a horse from the other, sadly most of them are brainless twits who think that killing anything is evil because all lickle ponies are gawjuss and deserve to be loved and cuddled !
 
She's given the meat man (or his supplier) funds to treat more horses badly. This is not furthering the cause of equine welfare.

Of course, if your point is that your friend got a bargain (ignoring the selfish disregard for welfare that implies) I'd suggest you add up the cost of vet bills, four years keep etc. That money could have gone to a decent stud, which looks after it's stock, thus keeping them in business instead of Mr Dodgy.

S :)
 
Greylegs said:
I totally agree with you, but ..... On the other hand ... my friend showed me her 4yo "rescue" today. She got it from the meat man for 40 quid as a 14 month old scrag and turned it out with her retired mare to grow up (after administering some much needed medical care) .... Today, its a handsome, 15hh cob with lovely action, a great temperament and the potential to make her a great hack/club horse. She's given it a lot of time due to its poor start so its about to be backed now, but she's got herself a cracker ... sometimes, these situations do work out.
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But she could have bought an unbroken four year old for the amount that it's cost her to get right and keep for four years, and not contributed to the breeding of more of the poor creatures.



GMTA Shils, cross posted.
 
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You are talking bunk Shilasdair. Most of the unwanted foals are colts. The sort of people that breed them want the filly foals but not the colts, so they go for meat. The fact that a few people buy a very few of these colts and rescue them from the meat man will make absolutely no difference, they will be bred anyway!
Often these animals have very good breeding because the owner is hoping for a filly.
Nothing wrong with a bit of humanity. I take my hat off to those on here that have rescued horses.
 
Every horse these days seem to be a rescue!!! Don't think most people would know a proper rescue if it hit them round the face.
What do u class as a rescue? Cause every horse in my area was a rescue!! Regardless of where it comes from but I have seem a few very poor horses make cracking horses.
 
The slaughter house is the worlds worst place for an animal to end up but it's far worse for a horse. WHW went undercover in one of them the video will shock you.
 
cobgoblin said:
You are talking bunk Shilasdair. Most of the unwanted foals are colts. The sort of people that breed them want the filly foals but not the colts, so they go for meat. The fact that a few people buy a very few of these colts and rescue them from the meat man will make absolutely no difference, they will be bred anyway!
Often these animals have very good breeding because the owner is hoping for a filly.
Nothing wrong with a bit of humanity. I take my hat off to those on here that have rescued horses.
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Most of the fillies also sell for peanuts through places like Dragon driving, with buyers thinking they are'saving' those as well. Shils' point is not wrong, it just doesn't go far enough.

Let's be honest, the rescue which prompted this thread, Oreo, has poor hind end conformation and is going to grow up into a deeply ordinary little coloured cob worth less than he has cost to get to four years old. His 'rescuer' would, imo, have done better for horse welfare to have let him go for meat, saved the money he's costing her, and supported a reputable stud to get hold of the kind of horse she really wanted, which was a bigger animal.

I do admit that the thread is very enjoyable for her and other people though, so it does have some merit :)
 
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This is going to be a mega thread ;)

NO a slaughter house is NOT the worst place to end up. What is worst is people buying them and the rescue ends up NEEDING to be RESCUED.

Kaylem you show little knowledge
 
They breed horses for cash. They retain the fillies to breed more poorly conformed, badly started stock. They sell the colts and the fuel, fees, payments go to keeping this third rate business going, at the expense of equine welfare.

If there are not welfare concerns, then they are not 'rescues', will be appropriate weight, wormed, vaccinated, gelded, passported. This is not the case - and 'rescuers' perpetuate the cruelty by funding it.

If you want to help, donate to an equine charity, report horses to the authorities, re home through a charity or give your money to a decent, caring stud.

It's not rocket science.
S :)
 
Could not agree more. I'm sick to the teeth of seeing "rescue horse for sale £50 to ensure a good home" when in reality it probably came to them free from a good home and was starved for a week or two and let into a field to roll so it would look abused.
 
cobgoblin said:
You are talking bunk Shilasdair. Most of the unwanted foals are colts. The sort of people that breed them want the filly foals but not the colts, so they go for meat. The fact that a few people buy a very few of these colts and rescue them from the meat man will make absolutely no difference, they will be bred anyway!
Often these animals have very good breeding because the owner is hoping for a filly.
Nothing wrong with a bit of humanity. I take my hat off to those on here that have rescued horses.
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I believe in many cases the 'breeders' of these poor creatures have no intention of them going for meat. It would cost them too much money to raise them correctly and to fork out for the proper documentation. Why would they do that when they know they can pull on the heart strings of kind hearted, well meaning people who just can't leave them in the state they are kept? If you have hundreds of horses who've cost you little, if anything to bring into the world, you've made a decent amount if you sell each one for £50.

I would rather give my hard earned money to a reputable breeder who has given their animal a good start in life, or rescue from a charity. If there is no market for these poor horses then they will have to stop allowing them to multiply indefinitely.
 
Kaylum said:
The slaughter house is the worlds worst place for an animal to end up but it's far worse for a horse. WHW went undercover in one of them the video will shock you.
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I've been in slaughter houses in the UK and been very impressed with the welfare standards and the checks in place to ensure compliance.
 
Kaylum said:
The slaughter house is the worlds worst place for an animal to end up but it's far worse for a horse. WHW went undercover in one of them the video will shock you.
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I don't agree with the way they were treated in that video but at least at the slaughter house they are only suffering for a short time, some of the people that "rescue" them and have no idea about their care cause them to suffer for years.
 
Kaylum, I'm willing to bet you've never been to a slaughterhouse nor watched a horse being PTS?
Go to Potters - ask to watch. Go out with your vet to see a horse euthanised.
All horses die; as a horse lover (and owner) you have a responsibility to be informed so you can give your horse a good death.
S :)
 
thatsmygirl said:
What do u class as a rescue? .
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Very good point. One of mine came to me cause her owner had let her go. Her feet were hideously overgrown, she had not been wormed or groomed, had rainscald. However i don't call her a rescue, she was just a pony whos owner had got dementia and forgot to care for her properly. I stepped in and shes right as rain and he now asks about her every week cause he remembers about her now. I call it helping out an old man with his pony.

If he had just decided not to look after her anymore because he wasn't making any money off her, then i would call her a rescue.
 
thatsmygirl said:
This is going to be a mega thread ;)

NO a slaughter house is NOT the worst place to end up. What is worst is people buying them and the rescue ends up NEEDING to be RESCUED.

Kaylem you show little knowledge
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Really my point has been missed breeding for meat is unnecessary no horse needs to end up being killed in a slaughter house. It's the worlds worst place for a horse to end up. I have plenty of knowledge thanks.
 
Oh I couldn't agree more. It saddens me when I see people falling for this trick, and also that every single bloomin' horse that 'looks sad in a photo' or was going for meat but bought for a dime is a 'rescue'.

When you've given a final few moment's comfort to a severely emaciated, collapsed, sore ridden horse that has been neglected, before taking the owner to court and seeing they never legally keep another animal again, then that's a rescue. Not lining the pockets of the very perpetrators who get away with it time and time again...
 
Kaylum said:
Really my point has been missed breeding for meat is unnecessary no horse needs to end up being killed in a slaughter house. It's the worlds worst place for a horse to end up. I have plenty of knowledge thanks.
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Not necessarily. It depends on the slaughterhouse.
 
This original post makes me angry - :/. I know in my head it makes perfect sense - but rather than having a pop at the odd person who makes what seems an irrational rescue ... just for one second put yourself in the boots of the rescuee. Makes a huge difference to their - not insignificant life. I'm finding it hard at the moment to reconcile what seems to be criticism levelled in this way.
 
Kaylum said:
The slaughter house is the worlds worst place for an animal to end up but it's far worse for a horse. WHW went undercover in one of them the video will shock you.
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Kaylum this isn't true. There are far worse places for horses to end up than with a quick death in an abattoir. British abbatoirs would not shock me, and I do not support live export, I think it should be banned and that the money spent rescuing these animals would be much better spent on that campaign.
 
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doriangrey said:
This original post makes me angry - :/. I know in my head it makes perfect sense - but rather than having a pop at the odd person who makes what seems an irrational rescue ... just for one second put yourself in the boots of the rescuee. Makes a huge difference to their - not insignificant life. I'm finding it hard at the moment to reconcile what seems to be criticism levelled in this way.
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It makes a huge positive (sometimes) difference to that one horse, and a huge negative (almost always) difference to hundreds of others....
 
Kaylum said:
Really my point has been missed breeding for meat is unnecessary no horse needs to end up being killed in a slaughter house. It's the worlds worst place for a horse to end up. I have plenty of knowledge thanks.
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So you're vegetarian?
 
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