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Agreed hbm1 there is surely better methods out there than dog choke chains !

OP I personally would try to prevent the putting the head down, start by asking for an active walk, if she tries to put her head down then do a sudden change of direction or circle, back up, disengage quarters or whatever you can do to change her course from putting her head down. It may take a few tries to get your timing right
 
OMG I made a stir fry and everything has gone pear shaped. Do I need to be cautious with my new dually then - haven't as yet tried it ?? I was aware of nasal bone risk via vids with other methods hence bought the gadget.
 
Agree with HBM, I'm 5'3", not particularly strong and have a 17hh warmblood, I use circling alot mainly when she's excited about getting back out to the field. I find it really useful for 'boring' them out of undesired behaviour, they sort of go "Oh, okay I'll do what you want, please stop making me walk round", I know it won't work for every horse but it is a good place to start for non 'malicious' ones.

You'll get there, keep up the groundwork, being firm but kind and respect will come.
 
lolly10fi said:
My horse is 16.3h warmblood so she is strong and im only tiny and when i lead her with leadrope she pulls her head and trys to eat the grass i have trouble pulling her head back up! I do ground work and spend a lot of time with her. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks :)
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My chunky 15.2/3 ISH does this occasionally - ok he isn't 16.3 but at the end of the day he is still a lot stronger than me and very into his food. A quick smack across the shoulder/haunches with the end of the leadrope does the trick as well as getting into the habit that his diving down every 2 steps is not acceptable. We now march briskly over the yummy grass to and from his rather bare paddock with no issue. :)
 
FoxTrotx said:
Agree with HBM, I'm 5'3", not particularly strong and have a 17hh warmblood, I use circling alot mainly when she's excited about getting back out to the field. I find it really useful for 'boring' them out of undesired behaviour, they sort of go "Oh, okay I'll do what you want, please stop making me walk round", I know it won't work for every horse but it is a good place to start for non 'malicious' ones.

You'll get there, keep up the groundwork, being firm but kind and respect will come.
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I am in a similar situation, I am 5' 4" and have a 17hh 2 year old warmblood gelding and a 17hh 3 year old holstein colt, as well as the mares. Neither is naughty though they do sometimes get excited (in the case of the colt) or worried by new situations (re gelding), turning them in a circle gets them listening to me again whilst I talk to them and encourage them. I don't have to yell, put dog chains on or equipment that could cause damage - I am sure this will work with a mare who just wants to grab grass. Both are led only in a regular headcollar.
 
I have a Dually and the rope part wouldn't be able to drop down low on the nose like the photo above. There isn't enough slack on the rope to allow it. :)

I bought the Dually on ebay for a few quid because when I first bought her Mollie was tanking off with me when I tried to bring her in from the field. :mad: After a couple of days with the Dually she stopped the tanking off and I haven't had to use it for ages. :)
 
Koala Kate said:
It just seems to be the same vein running through this thread . No offence meant .
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I don't think it's so much about size as rudeness. OP could be just as concerned about a 13hh pony doing the same, and struggle just as much to stop it.

However big/small the horse is, it is still stronger than a person when it decides to be. I am tall and very strong, and mostly deal with very big horses, so I am embarrassed to admit how many times I have been towed by small ponies. Far more than I have been towed by the big uns, thats for sure. Bloody cunning little beggars!
 
Nothing to do with size. When I was a super skinny teen, didn't struggle with big horses, as auslander said its to do with cunning, not brute force. My 7yr old has no probs with a cob we know who carts his rather hefty owner everywhere. Not saying he's difficult, he's not at all. Just to show that its not bodyweight that is important.
 
As Auslander says, the smallest pony is stronger than the strongest man....the key is communication, training (of both horse and handler) and consistency. I found an incredible difference in my bossy horse before morning tea on day 1 of a basic Parelli clinic......we had the first 3 games down and I was consistent......only needed the occasional reminder after that!! Of course this was back in 1998 with the original instructors...!!!
 
Even a yearling filly can be strong if she wants to be!!! The OP is right, it is about respect. The horse should walk with her when she is walking. The horse clearly has no manners and needs to be taught how to lead with respect for whomever is leading. Size does not matter!!

I have seen DOGS pull grown men over! Why has being over horsed got anything to do with this case?
 
Koala Kate said:
Wasn't there a recent thread asking why little people over horse themselves ?
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No logic whatsoever.

I would be overhorsed by a 13hh pony if I was leading it in a headcollar and it decided to bog off- I am 5'10ft!

Back to the OP- I have a Richard Maxwell halter for my 15.3hh mare as she can be a bit ignorant sometimes but a leadrope over the nose (high up the face) works as well.

My 18hh horse I could lead in a piece of string, he is so gentle- must stop overhorsing myself :rolleyes:
 
carry a dressage whip, carrot stick & string or some such with you, and when she puts her head down to et grass, flick her with it (flanks/ribs). Do not pull on her, and when you flick her - click or cluck, make some noise that she can associate with it so soon all you have to do is make the noise and her head will come up.
 
I tryed looping the rope round her mouth but it was basicly right under the headcolor. When i had abridle on her i was walking her round and asking her to follow and giving carrots after that with a head color she was looking at me the hole time waiting for more carrots so when we got back to the field i gave her some hopefullyafter a while this will work
 
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