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Tbh, if this post hadn't been started by some one associated to the yard most people prob would have forgotten the original post by now anyway, by starting this thread it hardly encourages anyone to 'let sleeping dogs lie '
I currently run my own yard and like to think I am supportive to anyone no matter whether I agree with their decision or not. At the end of the day they are the owners and they make the decisions.
What I would say though to the op, if you read something about your business on a forum that you don't like the worst thing you can do is react like this on a public forum. It makes you look totally unprofessional and frankly ridiculous. If you have an issue with what was said then deal with it in the correct way, in private.
 
wallykissmas said:
"She" can remember the yard and no I wasn't told .... It's called computer history !


Right.



I agree the subject shouldn't have be brought up but the op clearly had an issue with the original poster hense they thought it was a good idea.
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I was actually on the same side as you.

However I think you would be behaving in a very inappropriate way if you harrass the yard on any of the social media sites.

I am sure by now they are aware that at least half the horsey world think their actions were at best inappropriate, at worst downright cruel to both the horse and owner.

I am also sure that all of their livery clients are already aware of what happened
 
There is absolutely nothing to confirm that the OP of this thread is the YO. This could be anyone who fancied causing a bit of a furore, and it is half term round here at the moment.
 
rockysmum said:
I was actually on the same side as you.

However I think you would be behaving in a very inappropriate way if you harrass the yard on any of the social media sites.

I am sure by now they are aware that at least half the horsey world think their actions were at best inappropriate, at worst downright cruel to both the horse and owner.

I am also sure that all of their livery clients are already aware of what happened
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I didn't mean it to come across as I didn't think you were on the same side, sounds like being at school again ;) and was agreeing that you didn't tell me.

I also it would be in appropriate to tell the yo just what I think of them on twitter hence I have not done so, doesn't mean I wouldn't like to. But after some sweets from trick or treat I have realised the errors of my ways :D

I just feel very very sorry for the person that had their horse Pts - if correct on the side of the road, and then this person starts a thread about it. It has brought it all back up again, which for the people who have worked out the yard will probably stick in their mind should the name crop up again.
 
wallykissmas said:
I didn't mean it to come across as I didn't think you were on the same side, sounds like being at school again ;) and was agreeing that you didn't tell me.

I also it would be in appropriate to tell the yo just what I think of them on twitter hence I have not done so, doesn't mean I wouldn't like to. But after some sweets from trick or treat I have realised the errors of my ways :D

I just feel very very sorry for the person that had their horse Pts - if correct on the side of the road, and then this person starts a thread about it. It has brought it all back up again, which for the people who have worked out the yard will probably stick in their mind should the name crop up again.
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Oh good, you can be in "my gang" again :D :D :D
 
I never seen the first thread but do remember the second.

How is it known that the horse was PTS at the side of the road??

Also regarding the yard/original thread if anyone would like to PM me the whole skeet it would be much appreciated.

I'm an Island dweller and there is an in bred need in me to have to know everyone elses business :D
 
If I ever cannot keep mine they will be put to sleep, however happy and healthy! I will not spend the rest of my life worrying about where they are and if they have been ill treated. If a vet won't do it, because it doesn't meet BEVA guidelines, then the knackerman will. Who thinks they have the right to judge someone for making what they consider to be the right decision for their animal. If the YO did stop the horse being PTS in a field and it was done at the side of the road then they should be ashamed of themselves. God knows that if people had the guts to do the right thing then there wouldn't be the crisis that is going on currently and hundreds, if not thousands, of horses being neglected or cruelly treated by people who have got them cheap.
 
Blue2006 said:
I feel compelled to update the forum on the recent post regarding the euthanasia of a horse and the deliberate slander of a well respected and professional livery yard as well as the misrepresentation of circumstances. The horse in question has now sadly been put to sleep however the proprietors of this yard had been well within their legal rights to object to the horse being put to sleep in their field as the horse in question was not (according to BEVA guidelines) suffering, in pain or in any distress. This horse was happy, healthy and in the field with other horses. The objection was to prevent clients and horses unnecessary distress and as such feel the abuse that was directed from a misinformed public was outrageous. I work for a large horse charity and although welfare guidelines are a fuzzy area and all horse owners have the right to put their horse to sleep, it is very much at the discretion of the veterinary surgeon. Most vets however feel it is morally wrong to put a healthy horse to sleep if it is not considered dangerous. This opens a can of worms as to why the horse in question was put to sleep but this does occur and will continue to do so until legislative reforms occur to protect the rights of horses and other sentient animals. I am also aware that the owner of this horse was offered an alternative solution where the horse in question would have been given a happy life. This was refused.
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MY VET DIDNT WANT TO PUT MY FRIENDLY KIND OLD COB TO SLEEP EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ON 3 LEGS. MY COB WAS NOT DANGEROUS IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM, UTTER DOPE. BUT CLEARLY IN DISCOMFORT. ARTHRITIC DIAGNOSED IN 2006 XRAY. MY VET WAS WRONG HE WANTED TO MAKE SOME MONEY WHICH I COULD AFFORD. MY SENTIMENTS AND OWN COMFORT DID NOT COME INTO THIS HARD DECISION. YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF IN YOUR STATEMENT. PLEASE DONT MORALISE YOU ARE WRONG . HORSES HIDE THEIR DISCOMFORT WELL. I just read BEVA Guidelines and am shocked insurance etc is guiding a vets decision here or influencing factor.BEVA CAN GO IN THE BIG BIN.
 
Moomin1 said:
Agree with this. If people realised that euthanasia is an option even for healthy horses where rehoming either isn't suitable or possible, then we wouldn't be over brimming with unwanted horses in rehoming centres or dealing with masses of neglected horses day in day out. PTS is a welfare tool.
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I so so agree with this.
 
PandorasJar said:
However when it came to walking her horse down to the field to be pts (and having talked to YO minutes before) the Horse Owner found the field to be padlocked and the horses life ultimately ended on the side of a public road.

The Horse Owner even asked that the yard not be attacked as were allowing her to pts on their land. The last thing the Owner needed at this time of difficulty was for it to be made difficult. The Yards behaviour was disgusting.
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If this was the case the yo sounds like an ar$e if they condemed a horse to die at the side of a road in this manner.
Tbh if i liveried there, it wouldnt be for much longer, and any self respecting owner would leave for fear of their horse possibly being put in the same position
 
I'm afriad I didnt see the first thread so will try not to comment too far as I dont know all the facts.
All I want to say is to point out something from a YO's view, thinking logistically. We dont allow people to have horses pts in fields, because the chap who does collections can't access the field in his 7.5t, especially at that this time of year. You would then be looking at getting out the tractor and ropes which causes unneccessary distress to anyone on the yard. We insist horses are pts on a grassy area of the carpark, or inside a barn at the top of the property, to minimise distress to people and also to create the best situation for collection and disposal - whilst still being comforting to the horse.
I wonder if this is what the YO intended (being put down near hard standing) but in this case of chinese whispers and emotive language this message has not come across?
 
I think that's a very valid point 3bh - and most yards would have the same sort of arrangement I'd imagine, i.e an area that was identified as being the most practical area to put a horse down.

From the original thread, no the YO told the person in question that the horse must be removed from site to be destroyed.
 
I think they probably do have a plan but by the sounds of it, they thought the horse shouldn't be pts but sent to another home.
I would rather know my horses fate and pts. You just cant trust people.
 
FfionWinnie said:
The owner of the horse was told to (box it) have it done at the vets as they couldn't have the horse dead on the yard.
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That puts a slightly different spin on things.I've done that before though - the horse was in need of being destroyed immediately (not something that could wait to be rescheduled for a more sensitive time) but yet was able to manage the short trip trip to the vets.
It occured in the midst of a pony club camp happening on site, dozens of under 11's around the place and it just wasn't going to be feasible to co-ordinate having the vet and the collection arrive whilst keeping everyone else happy.
That is an extraordinary circumstance however.
 
FfionWinnie said:
The owner of the horse was told to (box it) have it done at the vets as they couldn't have the horse dead on the yard.
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There's no need to have a dead horse on the yard you coordinate the vet and the transport they are all used to this ,the vet gives a time the lorry arrives either with the vet or my choice half an hour later..
 
TBH, I would be very surprised if the horse was actually put to sleep at the side of the road. I can understand this in an emergency, but surely a vet wouldn't want this to happen with the possibility of horrified onlookers coming past in cars/bikes/on foot/horseback?

Did it actually happen? Can anyone confirm this?
 
At the risk of sounding extremely harsh and hard here, I personally wouldn't give a stuff about 'distressing' other people on the yard. A bit of coordination to get the carcass removed, a bit of tarpaulin, and a warning to everyone on the yard would do me.

The person who is going to be in most distress is the owner of the horse being pts, and that is who I would be catering for first and foremost.
 
Moomin1 said:
At the risk of sounding extremely harsh and hard here, I personally wouldn't give a stuff about 'distressing' other people on the yard. A bit of coordination to get the carcass removed, a bit of tarpaulin, and a warning to everyone on the yard would do me.

The person who is going to be in most distress is the owner of the horse being pts, and that is who I would be catering for first and foremost.
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I think the thing is that no one wants to see an animal put down - but unfortunately it comes with the territory - and there are going to be times when it may possibly be a public affair.

However, with the right help from the YO, and a coordinated effort to ensure minimal disruption then no one has to be put in a position of distress, unless they choose to be (I'm discounting emergency destruction here, but talking about planned one). Essentially, a good YO will have an 'action plan', and will discuss it with the owner in advance of the horse being put down.

My own experiences have shown to me the caring nature (for the most part) of fellow liveries, and the respect they show for an event that's about to happen.

Choose a quiet time, and it has to effect nobody but the owner, the horse, and the YO.

It really is not rocket science.
 
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Moomin1 said:
At the risk of sounding extremely harsh and hard here, I personally wouldn't give a stuff about 'distressing' other people on the yard. A bit of coordination to get the carcass removed, a bit of tarpaulin, and a warning to everyone on the yard would do me.

The person who is going to be in most distress is the owner of the horse being pts, and that is who I would be catering for first and foremost.
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This, when a horse was pts on our yard the owners told us what was happening and we took ourselves off down the fields until it was over, more out of respect for their grief than wanting to avoid seeing anything. They had coordinated vet and wagon so it was over in about 30 minutes from pony out of stable to wagon leaving yard. These things happen and will have to be faced by most responsible owners one day and on most yards! I certainly would not want one of mine travelling to pts, they will be done in their own surroundings where they are happy and comfortable.
 
Black Beastie said:
If the horse is already at the vets for illness/injury then I wouldn't travel it home for PTS :(
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Sounded like the other way round from memory. Horse was at home. They were told to travel to vets, she didn't want to make it do a journey to vets. Unless you're commenting on someone elses post? (sorry confusion!)

I'd not travel a horse that needed to be pts, whether that be to home or to vets. However if it was simply that it was generally healthy but not going to make another winter, I'd do a short box to a nice turnout field for summer etc.
 
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