Revel bloodlines in ponies (also in breeding)

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Hi all.

I have been looking at my ponies breeding recently and found he has a few members of his family called revel something or other.

After researching abit more we found his some of his grandparents and great grandparents were hoys winners.

Anyway i have rambled enough and was wondering if a pony with Revel bloodlines was good because after looking at some for sale a few had Revel bloodlines in the title as though it was something good.


Thanks to anyone who can help xxx
 
Revel bloodlines are prolific & there have been many many champion Welsh ponies with Revel somewhere in their pedigree.

That said, you cannot bank on a pony or horse being 'good' just on its breeding lines, you need to look at it long & hard objectively for any conformation faults & also see how it compares to breed type too. It helps to get various judges opinions too on this.

However, as long as the pony is doing all you ask of it, then that at least shows what a little star you have :)
 
Many thanks for your reply.

He isnt doing that good at the moment which is why i asked about the bloodline. He is 5 and we have owned him about 8 months, my daughter would like him to be a jumper and all round pony club pony but i was maybe thinking this wasnt him and showing might be better for him.

Thanks again
 
Tis very true that Revel bloodlines are prolific. My Sec A has the Revel Jeeves / Pendock Legend Line, both exceptional Section A's. My advice if you want to go down the showing route and get an honest opinion is maybe try a welsh medal show as judges are appointed by the WPCS and they know your breed inside out plus their expert advice is worth listening to. Or try and go along just to watch. Check out the WPCS website for info on shows and breed standard. Judges look for Type, conformation then movement. Post a picture if you can and you may get some honest opinions here. Also worth remembering that often what they expect to see in an in-hand show pony can be different to a ridden show pony.
 
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I am interested in finding anything about him.

His name is Cilmery Mascot (Chilli to us)

His Sire was Tiffwyl Mascot and has:
Revel Chip
Revel Choice
Revel Orange Pip
Revel Jeeves in his bloodlines

His Dam is Cilmery Spring-Time.

Any help anyone could give me would be greatfully received or if someone could point in the direction.

many Thanks
 
Most Welshies are really good allrounders and jump well, the breeding lines are less important than in horses as in that they have not tended to be bred for specialist performance in the same way.
Have you got a good instructor to help with the jumping, I had one Welsh pony that was a very slow learner but over time became a real little star. At 5 he is still only a baby and your daughter probably lacks experience to bring him on so it will take time, he looks a really nice type and would probably do well in M&M WHP classes which would be a fun way to do both jumping and showing.
 
Rolo--Chilli said:
Hi all.

I have been looking at my ponies breeding recently and found he has a few members of his family called revel something or other.

After researching abit more we found his some of his grandparents and great grandparents were hoys winners.

Anyway i have rambled enough and was wondering if a pony with Revel bloodlines was good because after looking at some for sale a few had Revel bloodlines in the title as though it was something good.


Thanks to anyone who can help xxx
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Depends what you mean by 'good' and what you intend to do with the pony ?
 
He is a very handsome fella and certainly looks suited to ridden showing, not sure what part of the country your in so difficult to advise on medal shows close to you but will PM you shortly with details of the Climery Stud that bred him. Trust me, most of these breeders really appreciate knowing where their ponies end up and I know that they are on the WPCS website as judges of Sec A & C.
Unfortunately theres no stud website but catch my PM shortly and go from there. Hopefully your get all your answers.
 
Unfinished last post as dinner burning and starving family.
As said by Be Positive. Welsh are very slow to mature and 5 is young. Turning point for mine was 7/8 so please be patient as so many ruined by too much too soon. Get it right and you will have a pony worth it's weight in gold. Also bear in mind this is traditionally a hill pony designed to carry farmers up & down welsh hill sides. Luckily not now but many lightweight adults show these ponies at top level so having a more experienced rider to help school may be of benefit for your daughter and your very intelligent pony chilli.
 
I agree with everyone who thinks your boy is still a baby - don't rush him, he's still green and time spent on the basics now will reward you with a terrific pony. He looks a cracker!
 
Most Welsh take time to mature. But I think the Revel prefix blood line was prolific 20 years ago, once apon a time they were the best ponies to buy, like the Cleighieth(hope I spelt that right) name, they were at one time the name to buy,but no longer.
 
The Revel stud ceased with the passing of owner Emrys Griffiths. Luckily studs such as Templedruid ensured continuation of Revel lines if not in name, and are still producing top quality ponies.
Sadly Criccieth is another story.
Im fascinated by the ancestry of my welshies and can trace back to 17th century when Arabs and TB's were introduced. Know more about them than I do myself !!
 
Cambrica - what the Criccieth stud eventually became may be another story, but Mr Evans had some fantastic bloodlines, including some rather nice Revel ponios, so don't write them off!!!
 
Thanks all.

We dont want or expect him to do much, my daughter just wants to do the odd gymkhana on him. But it just seems to be one thing after another and after this weeks lesson i got the feeling our instructor was telling me to sell him to become a show pony.

I believe we are getting there with him as i said we have had him about 8 months and in that time we have had a very bargy pony, a pony that wont be tacked up he would spin u around all over, and a biting pony and thats just on the ground. We have overcome these and he is a lovely little lad now in the stable.

Then started the riding, he refused to go forward, we got over that. He refused to jump and would just go through them, we got over that. He would spend the whole time bucking and we got over that.

The final thing was yesterday in there lesson where he started rearing.

I dont believe in selling ponies because they are a problem (unless they are a too big problem that really needs help). And i believe my daughter can work through this as we have been through so much already with him.

i dont want her confidence or love of riding to go as he just trys one thing after another.

Oops sorry for the long ramble.
xx
 
My twyford welsh a has a lot of revel in her bloodlines and she has taken ages to mature, she's 8 this year though and still has random out bursts of naughtyness but there's always a reason for it. I got her when she was 5 and she pranced everywhere and was very unpredictable. But when you get her on a good day shes just amazing so willing to please, listens to you and our lunging sessions don't end with her either waving her front legs at me or galloping round bucking. But she is a show pony through and through, not a kids pony. She lives to prance about and be admired ;)
 
trottingon said:
Cambrica - what the Criccieth stud eventually became may be another story, but Mr Evans had some fantastic bloodlines, including some rather nice Revel ponios, so don't write them off!!!
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Im sorry Trottingon if you misread what I wrote but that is exactly what I said, defending the Revel lines from another post. So please don't think I said anything detrimental about Mr Evans or Revel, I meant quite the opposite and that the Revel legacy continues just not in name.

Rolo--chilli - please dont give up. Rule out all the usual teeth/saddle/back. That done the problems your experiencing are familiar. Children working with a green pony is a recipe for disaster and will be difficult unless you can find a more experienced rider just to help put him on the right path.
There were many times I had to take the reins, gently work with her then ask the kids to give it another go. Now we have a super pony - she is 8.
By selling him you will not find that 'show home' especially being a gelding and he is likely to end up being sold from pillar to post.
Hacking out is also quite often the best lesson and gives them so much experience. You have overcome so much in 8 months but he needs more time to grow up a bit.
 
As above selling will not really be helping him, he is unlikely to find a showing home, you need a positive instructor to help you through this latest setback, rearing is not acceptable behaviour and steps need to be taken to find out why he is rearing.

If it is not physical he may need to be taken back a step to prevent it happening, ponies rarely rear and he may be being pushed too much in his lessons a 5 year old should be having fun learning new things, most are very open minded at this age and provided they are encouraged will try anything.

Finding a small adult or teenager to give him a little schooling would really help, the pony I mentioned earlier used to come to me every week for a few days of boarding school, then the child had a lesson on what had been worked on then it went home each weekend to hack. It worked really well the pony was always kept ahead of its rider and that prevented many issues from arising, it was not the cheap option but the owner was happy to invest in the long term value of the pony, it was later sold for a very good price as it was both well schooled and safe.
 
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