Ribbleton training - what is it?

Its not fraud as poster paid the money knowing that it was a deposit and there would be a follow up call etc.

This Ribbleton person is obviously a patter merchant and knows how to get to people feeling vunerable but that's not the same as fraud.

Lesson to everyone else...when she asks for money that you don't want to give hang up.

Just as a matter of interest how did you find out about ribbleton? Admittedly I havent looked for it but I've never heard about it beyond this thread. I read a lot and have horsey friends in australia (where this seems to be?) but never heard of this at all. Normally before things hit the UK theyve been in american and australian horse magazine first (e.g. Masterson) but not seen a thing about this supposed programme.
 
Sassenach78 said:
I will try. But I live in Sweden and she is in Australia. I doubt that my bank can do anything. This was my mistake and I will learn from it ?
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Sadly from what I've heard, Swedish banks are much for putting the ball in your corner, when it comes to what I presume can be classed as fraudulent callers, and regretting payments you've agreed on.

For the last few years there's now a Swedish Law which says that you have 14 days right to withdrawal also when it comes to buys you've agreed on over the telephone. However, as I recall it, that only applies when the caller calls from somewhere in Sweden on behalf of so and so company (possibly also from within EU, but I'm not sure about that). In a case like this, I sadly think the bank will probably say that since the caller is in Australia, it goes under Australian Laws, and basically tells you that you have to contact the police in the caller's country. And then the case disappears into the depths of international laws back and forth, at least that is how it's been in similar cases that I've heard about.

I hope I'm wrong, and you have a different outcome. Sorry if it ends up as a costly mistake you can't do anything about.

By the way, I presume that at least some of the people involved in calls like this, the same as some of those involved in online love frauds etc, have systems for both how to find clients likely to fall for their tricks, and how to suck clients into getting stuck in their spider web.

P.s. Hello, I'm in Gothenburg!
 
Sassenach78 said:
I will try. But I live in Sweden and she is in Australia. I doubt that my bank can do anything. This was my mistake and I will learn from it ?
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Ribbleton is in Dural, NSW in Australia. You can make a complaint via the below website. Please do report them, get your money back.

https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/


Our consumer laws are state based in Australia, so you need to go through this dept rather than rely on the Federal laws.

please keep us updated on your progress in getting your money back.
 
I am in the middle of the call and the decision, they kept coming up on my facebook, and after a particularly upsetting session with my horse I had a look, watched the webinar with interest and took the call, which like others have said was very emotional. I nearly had a heart attack when told the price, I didn't commit to paying there and then, but paid the non refundable deposit, they were to call me in a few days. This gave me time to think more clearly and when she phoned last night, I told her that I was in a particularly vunerable place during the call, and wasn't thinking clearly, I wasn't prepared to pay the money until I had done more research into what else might be available, I also asked her if there were any more videos I could watch that would actually show what she does and what her horses can do other than coming when she calls them. I realise I will lose the NZ$750 deposit, but I am much happier with that than paying another NZ$7000 until I am convinced it's right for me and my horse. I am not saying they are fraudulent or anything, I paid the deposit knowing it was non refundable, but my frustration is in not being able to actually see her method and what it achieves without paying the big money. So they are calling me back on Friday. In the meantime I will do as much research as I can, but I doubt I will to through with it, and will just resign myself to losing the deposit.
 
I'm really struggling to understand this at all.

What is this person saying over the phone to have people handing over that kind of money as a non refundable deposit??

How can an online training course possibly need a deposit? It's not a finite resource.

I appreciate that people are responding because they are upset and vunerable making themselves open to tactics that might not work under normal circumstances. However this seems absolutely crazy and it's not like its fifty quid, still a lot to lose for nothing, but its hundreds of pounds (dollars).

Cannot wrap my head around this at all. My very horsey friend in NSW has never heard of this group at all, where are people finding them??

Sorry to everyone that's lost their money. I truly hope you are the last and people stop handing over money for nothing to this shower
 
The worst thing about it is that I knew the call was going to be a selling tactic, and I actually made a sarcastic comment about it to the person re I'm sure you're going to get around to telling me how much this will cost, and ask me to mortgage the house etc - I'm usually a very sensible person. And to be fair, when I paid the deposit, I did so fully intending to sign up, this was the answer to all my problems etc I was even excited (the person I spoke to was very good!) I just wanted more time to think about where I could get the money etc. then over the course of the evening when my brain starting kicking in again, I started feeling quite sick about what I had done etc.
I've always wondered how people let themselves get scammed etc However, I don't feel I was scammed, I was very aware this was non refundable etc. I think the problem lies in the moralistic side of them asking you to pay immediately knowing you are in a high emotional place, with no cooling off period.
 
I have a neighbour who I see (from a rare fb post) has just signed up - she has just had a horrible fall where she broke her pelvis so I guess would be the type they like.
I won’t see her until after lockdown - but look forward to finding out if it had anything to offer.
 
I went through the webinar and had my 45 minute assessment. It was horrible. I could tell she was trying to psychologically break me down to need this program. I’m a very confident rider and figured what have I got to lose for a 45 minute free assessment? I felt terrible at the end of the “session”. She said aren’t you afraid of falling and getting hurt? No I’m not. Aren’t you afraid of having to sell your horse? For spooking in one area? Give me a break! I think she was annoyed that I wasn’t breaking down and agreeing with her.
I finally told her what I thought. No cookies. Give me a break. There is nothing wrong with positive reinforcement.
 
I had a similar situation. My post and others who say negative things about this company have posts taken down. When I have a moment this week I’m reporting her to the Australian authorities. I would do the same if I were you. This woman is relentless and prays on women and I believe more mature women who tick all her vulnerable boxes when it comes to their horses and maybe lack of confidence. I was banned from this site for reporting the truth to help others who have encountered Ribbleton.
 
Ruby Orion said:
I had a similar situation. My post and others who say negative things about this company have posts taken down. When I have a moment this week I’m reporting her to the Australian authorities. I would do the same if I were you. This woman is relentless and prays on women and I believe more mature women who tick all her vulnerable boxes when it comes to their horses and maybe lack of confidence. I was banned from this site for reporting the truth to help others who have encountered Ribbleton.
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Total sales pitch. You are right though. I feel bad for people that fall for it. I never got my one question answered. I figured they could answer one question. I even said in the information email that I probably don’t fit the typical mold of people. I recognized that. She said no there are many like me. I doubt it. I almost didn’t do the call, but figured what have I got to lose? An hour of my life! Glad to see I’m not the only one feeling this way.
 
I watched another one of these kinds of thing (I think) recently - can't remember what it was called, but an Australian lady with dark hair who had had a bad fall from a Fresian stallion although he (allegedly) was a top level dressage horse. She had this weird thing that it was fear of fear itself that is everyone's problem and that she could cure that. I wonder if she is related to Ribbleton? The online seminar appeared to be live but I'm pretty sure it wasn't because it was repeated so often - I couldn't be bothered to attend a second one to see if the comments coming through were the same! It was free though and no personal hard sell.
 
soloequestrian said:
I watched another one of these kinds of thing (I think) recently - can't remember what it was called, but an Australian lady with dark hair who had had a bad fall from a Fresian stallion although he (allegedly) was a top level dressage horse. She had this weird thing that it was fear of fear itself that is everyone's problem and that she could cure that. I wonder if she is related to Ribbleton? The online seminar appeared to be live but I'm pretty sure it wasn't because it was repeated so often - I couldn't be bothered to attend a second one to see if the comments coming through were the same! It was free though and no personal hard sell.
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Natasha Altoff or something like that?
 
I've watched a bit of stuff from natasha (if it's the one I'm thinking of), and she isn't at all similar to how Ribbleton sounds. She's fairly conventional dressage, german scales of training type stuff, but I think she has a degree in sports psychology or something along those lines so throws a bit of that sort of stuff into the mix
 
DabDab said:
I've watched a bit of stuff from natasha (if it's the one I'm thinking of), and she isn't at all similar to how Ribbleton sounds. She's fairly conventional dressage, german scales of training type stuff, but I think she has a degree in sports psychology or something along those lines so throws a bit of that sort of stuff into the mix
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That sounds like who I am thinking of.
 
TPO said:
Its not fraud as poster paid the money knowing that it was a deposit and there would be a follow up call etc.

This Ribbleton person is obviously a patter merchant and knows how to get to people feeling vunerable but that's not the same as fraud.

Lesson to everyone else...when she asks for money that you don't want to give hang up.

Just as a matter of interest how did you find out about ribbleton? Admittedly I havent looked for it but I've never heard about it beyond this thread. I read a lot and have horsey friends in australia (where this seems to be?) but never heard of this at all. Normally before things hit the UK theyve been in american and australian horse magazine first (e.g. Masterson) but not seen a thing about this supposed programme.
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I can’t believe
Bonnie Allie said:
Ribbleton is in Dural, NSW in Australia. You can make a complaint via the below website. Please do report them, get your money back.

https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/


Our consumer laws are state based in Australia, so you need to go through this dept rather than rely on the Federal laws.

please keep us updated on your progress in getting your money back.
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I can’t believe that I nearly got sucked into this today. This lovely caring lady had me in tears and found all the right triggers to make me wanna sign my life away. I was able to stop short of signing up as I simply didn’t even have the deposit requested then and there and expressed I needed to discuss this with my Husband. They are calling tomorrow. Yup young green horse - bucked off - broken ribs and have lost confidence for 3+Yrs to move forward with him. I had desperate written allllll over me :( Feeling so disappointed in myself right now. Hubby nearly fainted at the total price (nearly 7K Australian for 10modules over 10wks).
 
Juby said:
I can’t believe

I can’t believe that I nearly got sucked into this today. This lovely caring lady had me in tears and found all the right triggers to make me wanna sign my life away. I was able to stop short of signing up as I simply didn’t even have the deposit requested then and there and expressed I needed to discuss this with my Husband. They are calling tomorrow. Yup young green horse - bucked off - broken ribs and have lost confidence for 3+Yrs to move forward with him. I had desperate written allllll over me :( Feeling so disappointed in myself right now. Hubby nearly fainted at the total price (nearly 7K Australian for 10modules over 10wks).
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Glad you stopped short and found this thread.

Where about in Aus are you? There are a few aussies on here that might be able to point you towards a trainer.

Theres Double Dan Horsemanship, Warwick Schiller and Guy McLean for big name australian trainers with online/dvd resources too if that helps
 
Juby said:
I can’t believe

I can’t believe that I nearly got sucked into this today. This lovely caring lady had me in tears and found all the right triggers to make me wanna sign my life away. I was able to stop short of signing up as I simply didn’t even have the deposit requested then and there and expressed I needed to discuss this with my Husband. They are calling tomorrow. Yup young green horse - bucked off - broken ribs and have lost confidence for 3+Yrs to move forward with him. I had desperate written allllll over me :( Feeling so disappointed in myself right now. Hubby nearly fainted at the total price (nearly 7K Australian for 10modules over 10wks).
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You are not alone ❤
 
There's an Australian chap called Neil Davis whose posts I see on Facebook fairly regularly and find myself agreeing with almost always. I know he has a book out but I don't know if the does anything else. He seems gentle, sensible and intuitive around horses.
 
TPO said:
In the space of four hours there are four brand new posters who's only posts are to say how life transforming paying 4k for an online training course is ? <slow hand clap>
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^^^ This!

Seems like this is the "new Parelli"??? Gawd help us.......

Think I need to develop a wonderful sexed-up horse training method and ask stoopid money for it! Think I'm missing out somehow.

IMO there is no substitute for groundwork, groundwork & more groundwork, where the horse and rider are thus building up rapport and teamwork together, which can then be taken into ridden work. If the basics are right on the ground, the rest of it in the saddle will be easy. The horse needs to be treated like a horse (and not a pet poodle)i.e. with boundaries firmly set, and given fair, respectful, and consistent training throughout.
 
Bangagin said:
I registered my email address and watched the webinar (which was free) and was then offered a follow up call, but haven't taken up that offer. I imagine you are then given all the information about what they can offer and the cost of mentoring during that phone call.
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I did this
SEL said:
I've just wasted 20 mins having an interesting read through this thread :)

I'm forever being bombarded by companies wanting me to spend money signing up to a course but those who are genuine (Straightness training, Ritter amongst others) tend to share enough freebies on line that you know broadly what you are signing up for. Anything this opaque really does send out warning signals.
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This is my feelings exactly. It has been very difficult for me (even after taking the call with them) to get any real understanding of the "methods" or "techniques" used which I would NEED to know and understand a little about before forking out $5000 (US) (and $6000 if you make payments over 60 days. $2000 upfront, $2000 in 30 days and the last $2000 in 30 days). I think it is asking a lot of someone to expect them to do that. After doing the call with them and answering all of their questions over and over and them making me feel that they are the only ones that know how to help me and my horse in this way, and making me feel bad because I'm not committed to helping my horse and myself if I don't do this program, it is my opinion that there is something funny going on and they are only concerned about the money.
 
cali said:
The worst thing about it is that I knew the call was going to be a selling tactic, and I actually made a sarcastic comment about it to the person re I'm sure you're going to get around to telling me how much this will cost, and ask me to mortgage the house etc - I'm usually a very sensible person. And to be fair, when I paid the deposit, I did so fully intending to sign up, this was the answer to all my problems etc I was even excited (the person I spoke to was very good!) I just wanted more time to think about where I could get the money etc. then over the course of the evening when my brain starting kicking in again, I started feeling quite sick about what I had done etc.
I've always wondered how people let themselves get scammed etc However, I don't feel I was scammed, I was very aware this was non refundable etc. I think the problem lies in the moralistic side of them asking you to pay immediately knowing you are in a high emotional place, with no cooling off period.
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Exactly, and in my opinion, they are the ones that get you in "a high emotional place, with no cooling off period" because again, in my opinion, they want you to be in a vulnerable place where you will feel that you are the only one that can help your horse, but only with their help. At least this is how I feel based on my experience.

In my case, I didn't get the program or do a trial, as it was just way too much to pay for something where I understand so little about the methods or their techniques (which is how I ended up on here trying to do more research about their methods and techniques). But I sure felt bad all day after that call because I felt that somehow I was failing myself and my horse...which I realized later is NOT true. I will continue to keep loving my horses and working with them the best way I know how.
 
Ha! I watched the webinar (simply because it was being so heavily advertised on FB at the time, and I was curious), and then I got myself blocked from the page because I asked all kind of uncomfortable questions about her knowledge of the 4 quadrants of operant conditioning and how what she was proposing just wouldn’t benefit any equine. ???
 
Casey76 said:
Ha! I watched the webinar (simply because it was being so heavily advertised on FB at the time, and I was curious), and then I got myself blocked from the page because I asked all kind of uncomfortable questions about her knowledge of the 4 quadrants of operant conditioning and how what she was proposing just wouldn’t benefit any equine. ???
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Reading this thread since it started I have been sooooo tempted to let them waste as long as I can string them along for and then finish the call by asking how they can sleep at night when they make their living by preying on people's fears and weaknesses.
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I had a call with them recently. It was painful. I was told I'm scared of my horses because I wouldn't take them for a walk when it was windy. I just think that's common sense. I was also pressured to 'go grab my card' and put down the £1.5k deposit, when I had told her if I was going to do a course of that expense I would want to make sure I'm setting aside 10 weeks of dedicated time, which right now I don't have, along with telling her I don't have that sort of money available. There was also a "Decisive Discount" so the course is $10,000, and they would charge me $5,000 if I signed up there and then.

What confuses me is that they are teaching people to listen and not manipulate horses - BUT they are OK with manipulating people and not listen to them.

I very much enjoy listening to Paulette's lives and resonate a lot with what she says, however employing such an archaic, aggressive sales technique has put me totally off.
 
I'm still non the wiser what this ribbledribble is ??‍♀️

This thread is the only place I've seen it and heard no mention of it outside of here.

I'm guessing its Australian? Admittedly my last aussie horse magazine purchase was January 2020 but it flicked back through them and no mention of them in the adverts unlike other horsemanship programmes.

Its still blowing my mind that people can be talking into parting with 10k over the phone to a stranger. A tenth of that would see them right with a good trainer in person or a good online source (double dan/Guy McLean/Warwick Schiller are all australians).
 
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