Ride a (cleveland) Bay Day

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unfortunately i dont know anything about her breeding all her passport says is "unknown" :( x
 
just realised the one that says copy right on i have bought the rights to :) it woulod have it written across the whole thing if not :) thanks x
 
A really nice horse. Pretty head, I say CB's are handsome rather than pretty but I have a pure bred mare which breaks that rule as she is exceptionally pretty. If passport says unknown what makes you say CBx, do you have any history?

The most popular CB x has always been with TB. I know of CBxDales, CBxHighland and CBxWelsh D but in all of these cases the result is a more substantial cob type than the horse in your picture.

What do you know detective work can be fun.
 
awww thank you :) it says on her passport breed: cb but just cb i asked the vet and she said she agrees with the cb but thinks shes cross as she has some white and i was told pure cb dont have any markings? a few people have guessed crossed with Hanoverian?? xx
 
How silly of me to forget!! There is a HannxCB on the Junior Dressage Team for the UK. Here is a photo of him and link, he is called Spring Pascall.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=267677&highlight=spring+pascall


As far as your own horse is concerned, who did his first vaccination? Can you trace his breeder via that?

Once upon a time CB's who had white could not be registered in the stud book (nor could chestnut). Now they can but carry the notation mis-marked.

There has just been a huge genetic study of the CB for which the researcher was awarded a PhD. Dr. Andy Dell pointed out in his thesis that the mis-marked register had become a dumping ground for some good horses.

If you had some idea of your horse's history it might be possible to get a DNA test done.

How old is your horse?
 
Thanks so much for your reply im really enjoying reading this :). Wow I can actually see the resemblance with the Hanoverian :)I think the only way for me to find out for def is a dna test :(..her passport was dont by her previous owner ...i really should have asked where her old one was so stupid of me, i have letters from previous owners and have been in contact but she has been pushed from pillar to post as was a very difficult horse, she is now 17 :) born 1995

thanks again for your help xx
 
Ahhhh, I'm in the process of looking for a new ned, and saw a CB on the HHO classifieds, sadly not there any more, real shame as I really liked the sound/look of him, and after a bit of research really like the sound of the breed generally!

Sadly havent seen any others advertised in the right age/size/price range since then! :(
 
Hedwards said:
Ahhhh, I'm in the process of looking for a new ned, and saw a CB on the HHO classifieds, sadly not there any more, real shame as I really liked the sound/look of him, and after a bit of research really like the sound of the breed generally!

Sadly havent seen any others advertised in the right age/size/price range since then! :(
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have you looked here?

http://www.clevelandbay.com/for-sale

If you spot anything you like, please ask around for information as there are quite a few not so good ones about ;) maybe pay a visit to a few studs to see what is around too?
 
Rollin said:
Once upon a time CB's who had white could not be registered in the stud book (nor could chestnut). Now they can but carry the notation mis-marked.

There has just been a huge genetic study of the CB for which the researcher was awarded a PhD. Dr. Andy Dell pointed out in his thesis that the mis-marked register had become a dumping ground for some good horses.
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That said, as an owner of a 'miss marked' horse (mine has a large white star and a snip), I do think there is good reason for such a register. I don't see it that my boy is deemed any less of a horse because of it, moreso that the society want it noted that he is not the perfect specimen of a CB (which he is not). I would therefore (if he still had the means to do it) not entertain the idea of breeding from him to produce purebred stock. The reason being, if the society let their guard down about markings and colouring, what else are they happy to ignore??! I very strongly believe there should be a much tougher system for registering / approving breeding stock in order to maintain the credibilty of the breed for years to come.
 
CBFan said:
have you looked here?

http://www.clevelandbay.com/for-sale

If you spot anything you like, please ask around for information as there are quite a few not so good ones about ;) maybe pay a visit to a few studs to see what is around too?
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Hi

Yes, thats exactly where i went when doing a bit of research on the breed, unfortnately cant see anything to suit at the moment, the 17hh ride/drive looks interesting and i may email to see how much they want for him, my budget is very limited! just a shame the one on HHO isnt advertised any more, he looked like a cracker! Thanks for the tips though! Not sure going to studs is an option due to my tiny budget...
 
CBFan said:
That said, as an owner of a 'miss marked' horse (mine has a large white star and a snip), I do think there is good reason for such a register. I don't see it that my boy is deemed any less of a horse because of it, moreso that the society want it noted that he is not the perfect specimen of a CB (which he is not). I would therefore (if he still had the means to do it) not entertain the idea of breeding from him to produce purebred stock. The reason being, if the society let their guard down about markings and colouring, what else are they happy to ignore??! I very strongly believe there should be a much tougher system for registering / approving breeding stock in order to maintain the credibilty of the breed for years to come.
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I quite agree with you that we should have breed standards and these should be maintained. It is amazing then to think that right now CBHS is divided on the Grading Register debate. Some breeders want to introduce non-CB blood into the stud book and others, myself included, think we should maintain our stud book of 'pure' horses. There are after all plenty of warmbloods to choosed from.

I am fairly sure that EU legislation has brought about the change in our stud book regs. I know someone in DEFRA told me a horse could not be deprived of its pedigree status, which is what used to happen.

France has also changed its regulations. It used to be the case that full pedigree passports and registrations were only issued to progeny of approved/graded stallions now they have a category called Origin Known (OC), this includes full passports for progeny of non-approved stallions.

To return to the argument about mis-marked horses - mis-marked may not be a show horse and in the days when a rich mans Ferrari was his team of matched horses, a breed which bred true to type and colour was important.

However, most CB owners are not breeding their horses and the white markings do not effect those characteristics we hold so dear temperament and lovely paces. If a mis-marked horse can compete and fly the flag for our stud book so be it.

Sorry folks can't do those smiley faces.
 
Hedwards said:
Hi

Yes, thats exactly where i went when doing a bit of research on the breed, unfortnately cant see anything to suit at the moment, the 17hh ride/drive looks interesting and i may email to see how much they want for him, my budget is very limited! just a shame the one on HHO isnt advertised any more, he looked like a cracker! Thanks for the tips though! Not sure going to studs is an option due to my tiny budget...
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Hedwards,

Penryhn stud is closing, they did have a number of horses of all ages for sale. Several of the Intl. Carriage Driving Team in Landes Region of France, came from this stud, purchased as unbacked youngsters.

Look at the breeders list on the CBHS website
 
Rollin said:
Hedwards,

Penryhn stud is closing, they did have a number of horses of all ages for sale. Several of the Intl. Carriage Driving Team in Landes Region of France, came from this stud, purchased as unbacked youngsters.

Look at the breeders list on the CBHS website
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Thanks for this, will have a look.

I'm really looking for young (ish) but backed and ridden away (minimum of 16hh), and i have a feeling CB's may be a bit beyond my budget of £2k (possibly a bit more for the right horse)
 
Hedwards said:
Thanks for this, will have a look.

I'm really looking for young (ish) but backed and ridden away (minimum of 16hh), and i have a feeling CB's may be a bit beyond my budget of £2k (possibly a bit more for the right horse)
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I will ask about for you.
 
I bought mine as a 16.3 3year old CBxISH He did not stop growing until he was 7 now stands 18.1. bought him to sell on but 14years on I still have him. He is a fabulous hunter, have hunted his legs off,never opened a gate jumps everything in sight, not quite fast enough for BE intermediate, pedigree is Inishfree, Knaresbrough Warlock would have another again highly recommended:D:D
 
Yeeharider, I hope you send in a photo of your horse and take part in our Ride a bay Day.

How about organising a CB hunt? I have been trying to get one organised. In the USA they organise one each year. You should have enough CB's in Yorkshire.

Middeltown Valley Hounds, Virginia, USA _ Cleveland Bay Day


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A great big Thank You to Sue Cutts at Fold's Farm CB stud who has sponsored rosettes for Ride a (Cleveland) Bay Day.

As our little group in France have already pledged our support and sponsorship, my o/h collected our rosette when in the UK this week. First fifty to pledge will also get a rosette.

I will treasure this rosette as a reminder of our patron's Diamond Jubilee.
 
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