loopiesteff
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All roads are potentially dangerous - so are you saying no-one should hack out?
Thought not.
Rider and 2 horses Killed and 1 rider injured Brentwood Essex
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All roads are potentially dangerous - so are you saying no-one should hack out?
Thought not.
Dogstar
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Absolutely dreadful and very upsetting to read. Agreed, the low sun has been a problem lately but this does sound like there was a lot more to it than that. For years I have ridden on the roads with a lunge whip which I stick out into the road to keep speeding drivers clear of my horse. I wouldn't venture out without it now.
My OH returned from a cycling trip round Essex and commented that the driving was really fast and dangerous along the lanes, more so than any other area he had cycled in.
My OH returned from a cycling trip round Essex and commented that the driving was really fast and dangerous along the lanes, more so than any other area he had cycled in.
garden
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My thoughts too are with the family and friends of the poor lady who died, as well as the friends and relatives of the rider who survived this awful tragedy.
I cannot begin to imagine what they have been through and wish them all the strength in the world to start to come to terms with this terrible event and rebuild their lives.
As others have said, I feel for those attending from the emergency services too, as well as the people who may have witnessed this horrific accident.
While reading the posts on this forum I tried to imagine the comfort that those involved might get from reading the heartfelt condolences from so many people, but also wondered whether some of the responses might potentially be quite hurtful for the survivors. I think it is important to consider that the survivors might read this thread in future, and think this needs to be borne in mind before posting, even though I know feelings are (justly) running high about this terrible tragedy.
Rest in peace two beautiful horses and rider.
I cannot begin to imagine what they have been through and wish them all the strength in the world to start to come to terms with this terrible event and rebuild their lives.
As others have said, I feel for those attending from the emergency services too, as well as the people who may have witnessed this horrific accident.
While reading the posts on this forum I tried to imagine the comfort that those involved might get from reading the heartfelt condolences from so many people, but also wondered whether some of the responses might potentially be quite hurtful for the survivors. I think it is important to consider that the survivors might read this thread in future, and think this needs to be borne in mind before posting, even though I know feelings are (justly) running high about this terrible tragedy.
Rest in peace two beautiful horses and rider.
Pink_Lady
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Sincere condolences to all concerned in this tragic accident.
We are stabled not far from where this happened and the speed of cars on the road is frightening - what is wrong with some drivers these days?!?!
We are stabled not far from where this happened and the speed of cars on the road is frightening - what is wrong with some drivers these days?!?!
Twiglet
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I'm saying if they are the sort of people who think throwing gravel at cars is appropriate, then yes, it is absolutely what I am saying.
iestynlad
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To the poster who chucks gravel: can understand your anger. I knew someone who used to drive (horse) and carried a whip with a piece of lead shot in the end of it. If a car came too close he flicked the whip at the windscreen. Nasty crack on windscreen! Of course the driver could have swerved as they couldn't see due to the crack and could have caused an accident to the horse and cart!
I would exercise caution with drivers. A lot are very agressive (that's why they are driving so fast!) I have been assaulted by a driver who almost hit me (when out walking dogs not riding at 7am!!!! he must have had a row with the wife) and upbraided aggressively by another driver when I was leading my pony past a pheasant stuck in a hedge. I dealt with him very diplomatically and he shut his gob not to say I wasn't s...t scared he might do something to the pony.
Bear in mind a lot of people carry weapons and a lot are on drugs so not really in charge of their emotions/actions. YES they should be PTS and society a lot better without them!
Best thing is to complain to the police once you have taken the number of the car. They won't do anything but the drivers details have to go on the Police log in the control room (including the PNC readout of the vehicle details) every incident log has to be linked nowadays and if this driver is a serial offender something will eventually be done about them.
I would exercise caution with drivers. A lot are very agressive (that's why they are driving so fast!) I have been assaulted by a driver who almost hit me (when out walking dogs not riding at 7am!!!! he must have had a row with the wife) and upbraided aggressively by another driver when I was leading my pony past a pheasant stuck in a hedge. I dealt with him very diplomatically and he shut his gob not to say I wasn't s...t scared he might do something to the pony.
Bear in mind a lot of people carry weapons and a lot are on drugs so not really in charge of their emotions/actions. YES they should be PTS and society a lot better without them!
Best thing is to complain to the police once you have taken the number of the car. They won't do anything but the drivers details have to go on the Police log in the control room (including the PNC readout of the vehicle details) every incident log has to be linked nowadays and if this driver is a serial offender something will eventually be done about them.
Xlthlx
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Same with cyclists and cars http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...led-cyclist-revenge-knocking-wing-mirror.html
iestynlad
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The article about the road rage killing of a cyclist shows what sort of people are out there behind the wheel these days. Remember the driver who deliberately reversed into the racehorse?!
A2roc
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I am stabled in Navestock, near Brentwood.
The drivers are absolutely awful, inconsiderate and ignorant.
I actually went to the Brentwood Gazette to print
a story about the state of the bridle paths,
And the council's refusal to maintain them.
When the story was published, the council started
work a few weeks later. What will it take for the council to
make more safe rides in the are.
I live in Epping forest, and I would rather box up and bring my horse over there to ride safely.
This is a terrible tragedy, which could of been avoided. I hope the driver
gets a long prison sentence. My thoughts are with the families, and the
poor horses that so needlessly lost their lives. Very sad.
The drivers are absolutely awful, inconsiderate and ignorant.
I actually went to the Brentwood Gazette to print
a story about the state of the bridle paths,
And the council's refusal to maintain them.
When the story was published, the council started
work a few weeks later. What will it take for the council to
make more safe rides in the are.
I live in Epping forest, and I would rather box up and bring my horse over there to ride safely.
This is a terrible tragedy, which could of been avoided. I hope the driver
gets a long prison sentence. My thoughts are with the families, and the
poor horses that so needlessly lost their lives. Very sad.
essex_rider
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This is my first post on here but as I know all of the involved personally as friends I felt I needed to.
The 2 people and horses involved were friends and stable-mates of mine. Obviously I am absolutely devastated at the loss of Jane (the lady killed) and both horses, the stables was a very sad place today.
In regards to what happened, basically a van driver came around a bend at such a speed that he managed to plough through both horses, neither of which were small. As far as I have been told both horses were killed, neither were PTS. His excuse was the sun was in his eyes. He has been arrested and released on bail. I do know some other information in regards to the accident, which really gives the driver of the van no excuses, but I cannot really say anything at this time as the investigation needs to take place.
The other rider is at home and recovering, although it is going to take a long time to heal.
This is an absolutely tragic event, my thoughts are with Jane's family as well as the owner and rider of the other horse (I won't mention their names).
RIP guys xx
The 2 people and horses involved were friends and stable-mates of mine. Obviously I am absolutely devastated at the loss of Jane (the lady killed) and both horses, the stables was a very sad place today.
In regards to what happened, basically a van driver came around a bend at such a speed that he managed to plough through both horses, neither of which were small. As far as I have been told both horses were killed, neither were PTS. His excuse was the sun was in his eyes. He has been arrested and released on bail. I do know some other information in regards to the accident, which really gives the driver of the van no excuses, but I cannot really say anything at this time as the investigation needs to take place.
The other rider is at home and recovering, although it is going to take a long time to heal.
This is an absolutely tragic event, my thoughts are with Jane's family as well as the owner and rider of the other horse (I won't mention their names).
RIP guys xx
PippiPony
Chocolatier and Greyhound lover
Very sad
RIP
xx
RIP
xx
JenniferS
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A friend asked the police what to do with speeding drivers while out hacking, and she was told to carry pony nuts in her pocket and throw it at the cars.
Very sad for the horses and riders involved.
RIP
Very sad for the horses and riders involved.
RIP
djlynwood
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I can not believe the police are encouraging this behaviour!!
So sorry for the riders and horses..........
1stclassalan
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I'm going to add another twopen'arth here.
No, we don't know the full details of the incident - but we do know all that's necessary to place the blame.
Horses and pedestrians do not need a licence to use the Highway - most vehicles do. Everybody who is charge of a vehicle has a duty to be in control of it all of the time. They must be able to stop in the distance they can see and allow for all occurences in between.
This guy didn't and is making very poor excuses.
Unfortunately - all the heartache that he has caused vis a vis the horses will hardly make a jot of difference to the Law - he will only be censured for the death by driving for the person and even getting damages out of him will be difficult. Let's hope he can be prosecuted for vehicular manslaughter which carries top clout. Personally I hate all the lesser charges for driving offences - people must learn that cars and vans are like guns - dangerous in the wrong hands.
No, we don't know the full details of the incident - but we do know all that's necessary to place the blame.
Horses and pedestrians do not need a licence to use the Highway - most vehicles do. Everybody who is charge of a vehicle has a duty to be in control of it all of the time. They must be able to stop in the distance they can see and allow for all occurences in between.
This guy didn't and is making very poor excuses.
Unfortunately - all the heartache that he has caused vis a vis the horses will hardly make a jot of difference to the Law - he will only be censured for the death by driving for the person and even getting damages out of him will be difficult. Let's hope he can be prosecuted for vehicular manslaughter which carries top clout. Personally I hate all the lesser charges for driving offences - people must learn that cars and vans are like guns - dangerous in the wrong hands.
ravensdale
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I totally agree with what you say Twiglet, overtoyou the driver has not been charged, he has been arrested on suspision of careless driving. Isn't it innocent until proven guilty??
Muchadoaboutnothing
Well-Known Member
How innocent can you be if you drove your van into two horses?!
Sorry but if the sun is in your eyes and you can't see you don't just carry on driving blind, which I belive the driver was quoted as saying.
It takes some speed to kill a horse outright yet alone two horses and a rider.
georgie256
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so so sad when i found out
my mum was on the phone to a friend at kelvedon when it happened
its scary to think it can happen when out on the roads.
RIP.
my mum was on the phone to a friend at kelvedon when it happened
its scary to think it can happen when out on the roads.
RIP.
Over2You
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It has been reported the guy was going at some speed and is quoted as saying the sun got in his eyes. I am sorry, but this is yet another idiot in charge of a lethal weapon. It is about time the driving test was made a lot tougher and should be more like getting a commercial pilot's licence. It requires many hours of simulator training. Covering just about every possible scenario. Far too many yo-yos are allowed to get behind the wheel. It was a jerk like this who robbed my Mum of her sister and me of an Aunt I never knew.
How anyone can defend this individual is beyond me. Two horses and a person are DEAD because of him. He should be banned from driving for life.
How would you like it if he killed one of your loved ones or pets? I bet you wouldn't be waltzing out that good old "innocent until proven guilty" line.
Narif
New User
How awful...we had a near miss the other week! I was walking up the road with two friends in single file, we were half way along the road when we put our arms out to inform traffic that we were turning right onto a bridle path, we checked behind and in front of us and it was clear so my friend at the front proceeded to cross, just as she made her way a small van came hurtling up behind us and had no option but to over take or he would have hit us, luckily enough he missed her because her horse spooked away from the noise!
Its a disgrace that some drivers think they own the road..
It is dreadful what has happened my sympathy is with them
Its a disgrace that some drivers think they own the road..
It is dreadful what has happened my sympathy is with them
Twiglet
Well-Known Member
I can understand that this is a rather emotive subject but it's not a "line" about "being innocent until proven guilty", it is the law of the country you live in.
I have in no way defended the driver, it was an horrific accident, in my local area and it directly involved people I know, I would be the first to condemn him as and when the full facts are established. I do not, however, support people with no knowledge other than rumour, judging people before they know the truth.
Ranyhyn
Well-Known Member
These incidents are never really reported well enough.
I think every driver should be subjected to a photo graph of a rta involving a horse, at point of test, to remind them it's not just a dumb animal. Its a rider, their pet, a friend, a jockey, their livelyhood...
I think every driver should be subjected to a photo graph of a rta involving a horse, at point of test, to remind them it's not just a dumb animal. Its a rider, their pet, a friend, a jockey, their livelyhood...
ravensdale
New User
Well said, i also live in the area and regulary ride my own horses down that road, so i am in no way defending the driver. I think that people are to quick to believe all the gossip they hear before getting the full facts. This is not something that the driver set out to do when he went on his journey and it is something he will have to live with for the rest of his life. So untill we know the facts everyone should stand by "innocent untill proven guilty".