charlie76
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Shilasdair - agreed, draw reins are the only gadget /training aid that I know of that you can allow with should the horse panic, use any of the others and you can't.
Riding in side reins - do you/should you/never?
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Shilasdair
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ETA, I don't agree that you can disconnect any training aid, the only one that you as a rider can allow would be the draw reins.
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No, you can release the contact in running reins, de Gogue, etc too.
I didn't mean you can remove them entirely from the saddle (having said that, I know riders who can remove the bridle
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ETA, I don't agree that you can disconnect any training aid, the only one that you as a rider can allow would be the draw reins.
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No, you can release the contact in running reins, de Gogue, etc too.
I didn't mean you can remove them entirely from the saddle (having said that, I know riders who can remove the bridle
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Shilasdair
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Shilasdair - agreed, draw reins are the only gadget /training aid that I know of that you can allow with should the horse panic, use any of the others and you can't.
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No, I still disagree.
Here's an interesting website, I don't agree with all of it, but it's a good read, and it has pics of gadgets (some of them).
http://www.sustainabledressage.com/tack/gadgets.php
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Shilasdair - agreed, draw reins are the only gadget /training aid that I know of that you can allow with should the horse panic, use any of the others and you can't.
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No, I still disagree.
Here's an interesting website, I don't agree with all of it, but it's a good read, and it has pics of gadgets (some of them).
http://www.sustainabledressage.com/tack/gadgets.php
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pinktiger
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i wouldn't even lunge in them.......
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im with jmo7 on this one!! I wouldnt even lunge in em have done in the past, didnt like what it produced in my horse, wanted to simulate the riders hands and contact on the lunge so transfering to rider was subtle, i use a bungie to lunge and never use gadgets to ride anymore!! go right back to basics and move the rear drive not stifle the front end, its confusing for the horse,,, keepit simple its soooo much easier than flaffing about with too many gagets keep it simple dont ova complicate it!!!
i wouldn't even lunge in them.......
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im with jmo7 on this one!! I wouldnt even lunge in em have done in the past, didnt like what it produced in my horse, wanted to simulate the riders hands and contact on the lunge so transfering to rider was subtle, i use a bungie to lunge and never use gadgets to ride anymore!! go right back to basics and move the rear drive not stifle the front end, its confusing for the horse,,, keepit simple its soooo much easier than flaffing about with too many gagets keep it simple dont ova complicate it!!!
Flame_
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I wouldn't get on a horse with side reins on, on or off the lunge. I agree with Charlie 76, pretty dangerous even with some teacher stood at the end of a lunge line.
OP, why not just use running reins so you can drop them if needs be, if you think you need a gadget?
OP, why not just use running reins so you can drop them if needs be, if you think you need a gadget?
Natch
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I didn't mean you can remove them entirely from the saddle (having said that, I know riders who can remove the bridle
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Occasionally at speed and whilst also demonstrating a tactical dismount!!
I didn't mean you can remove them entirely from the saddle (having said that, I know riders who can remove the bridle
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Occasionally at speed and whilst also demonstrating a tactical dismount!!
camilla4
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Well this lesson was a one off with a professional dressage coach who rides at quite a high level - if you check previous posts you'll find out what I meant. I do feel I got something out of the lesson and was pleased with how it went but I didn't feel comfortable with the ride in side reins idea (what he did in the lesson was to tie my running martingale to my noseband - thus creating a standing martingale effect). Hence the post looking for alternatives. Out hacking the horse isn't lazy and he certainly engages the hindlegs a lot more now than he did before - he just still doesn't want to accept any contact up front. I'll give the lunging in side reins a go and see how accepting he is of that (probably only serve to confirm that it's cause I can't ride rather than anything wrong with the horse) - so golf it will be
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Agree with everything said so far - I would never ride in side reins for all reasons listed above. It sounds as though you are unhappy about the idea too and don't really understand the instructor's reasoning. I feel very strongly that you need to go to someone else who can actually help you learn to work the horse correctly from behind. You have mentioned this being a "fight" - it really should never come down to that! Do seriously consider going to someone else - I think you and your horse would be a lot happier!
Well this lesson was a one off with a professional dressage coach who rides at quite a high level - if you check previous posts you'll find out what I meant. I do feel I got something out of the lesson and was pleased with how it went but I didn't feel comfortable with the ride in side reins idea (what he did in the lesson was to tie my running martingale to my noseband - thus creating a standing martingale effect). Hence the post looking for alternatives. Out hacking the horse isn't lazy and he certainly engages the hindlegs a lot more now than he did before - he just still doesn't want to accept any contact up front. I'll give the lunging in side reins a go and see how accepting he is of that (probably only serve to confirm that it's cause I can't ride rather than anything wrong with the horse) - so golf it will be
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Agree with everything said so far - I would never ride in side reins for all reasons listed above. It sounds as though you are unhappy about the idea too and don't really understand the instructor's reasoning. I feel very strongly that you need to go to someone else who can actually help you learn to work the horse correctly from behind. You have mentioned this being a "fight" - it really should never come down to that! Do seriously consider going to someone else - I think you and your horse would be a lot happier!
Halfstep
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If you go to most teaching yards in Germany or other continental countries and ask for a lesson, you will almost certainly be put on a schoolmaster (older, very well trained) horse wearing a snaffle bridle and (yes) sidereins. Nearly all kids learn to ride on horses/ponies wearing sidereins. The idea being that the beginner/novice/intermediate rider will not be able to get the horse on the bit and have access to its back without some help (aids and timing not being established). The sidereins remind the school horse to stay round and come a bit over the back, so allowing the student to feel the beginnings of a correct way of going which they will not be able to generate themselves.
These are of course professional establishments using trained horses and lessons are taken by qualified bereiters. It is actually also how I learned to ride as a child. And when I started having lessons on my trainer's GP horse, he wore sidereins until I was able to show I could ride him correctly to the bridle in all the movements (tempis, piaffe, passage) without them. Different culture.
But the average riding lesson or lesson horse. No.
These are of course professional establishments using trained horses and lessons are taken by qualified bereiters. It is actually also how I learned to ride as a child. And when I started having lessons on my trainer's GP horse, he wore sidereins until I was able to show I could ride him correctly to the bridle in all the movements (tempis, piaffe, passage) without them. Different culture.
But the average riding lesson or lesson horse. No.
EllieK
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OP - no I wouldn't ride in them, for safety reasons. In your situation I would either try draw reins/ running reins or consider trying a more classically minded instructor who may be able to offer other ideas to help both you and your horse progress.
MotherOfChickens
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QR I recently dragged a girl out from under a pony who she was riding off of the lunge in side reins. pony spooked, lost footing, went over backwards and got stuck on its back with kid underneath. luckily neither were hurt but the kid was extremely lucky!
fornema
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hmmm ... Well i always lunge in side reins although they are loose most of the time and do not have the standard ring but a very expandable elastic allowing there to be a lot of give. I dont think mine are dangerous although i can see the danger of not v much give at all in the ring ones. I do ride in them as well also loose on my TB and they work very weell and have never had problems, the only fall she had was without them before we used them and she hs only got better. I also would only rewuire working fully round a 20x40 area But i agree i would never ride on them on a lunge and i can see the danger due to balance of horse and rider
Rouletterose
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I think OP doesn't sound experienced enough to be trying any gadgets at all, if she's not experienced enough to get the horse foward and then ask for a constant contact, then she shouldn't be using gadgets!! Your instructor you went to doesn't sound very helpful to me, did he/she get on your horse for you? and show you how it should be done? or try and ride the horse for you so you know how it should feel?
Personally I would find a good classical instructor that doesn't tie your horses head down with martingale to noseband for a start. Then see if new instructor is willing to school your horse for you, to educate him as to how he should be working, then when that has been achieved you can get on and hopefully have an easier time with your new instructor having showed the horse what to do first.
Please don't battle on on your own and don't use any gadgets, your horse is obviously not working through and you cannot tie him down it will achieve nothing!!!
Good luck
Personally I would find a good classical instructor that doesn't tie your horses head down with martingale to noseband for a start. Then see if new instructor is willing to school your horse for you, to educate him as to how he should be working, then when that has been achieved you can get on and hopefully have an easier time with your new instructor having showed the horse what to do first.
Please don't battle on on your own and don't use any gadgets, your horse is obviously not working through and you cannot tie him down it will achieve nothing!!!
Good luck
skewby
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I don't know the ins and outs, but I do know that my instructor (who is classical and abhors any type of gadget or shortcut) used a Saumur rein on my boy - to help him get the idea. Because, at the end of the day, he is a draught and it was just so hard for him to get the idea of how to carry me.
Having said that, the Saumur rein is the only "gadget" considered to be able to allow a horse to work correctly through its back.
And even then, we used it once or twice and then just persevered old school! Result - a fabulously powerful all rounder (see sig!!).
My point being, I don't believe for one minute that the OP is not "experienced", in fact she sounds very experienced to me, having lessons with a top trainer and even then, questioning the advice given on here!
With some horses, they are damn hard to teach to work uphill. In such cases, I believe a training aid MAY be of use. I'm not entirely sure. But I'm just saying, perhaps the trainer has more experience than all of us on here put together - perhaps he/she has seen more horses, of all types. And perhaps there was a good reason - as with my lad. In our case, it was used, briefly, as a "hint". I can't say whether it worked or not. I have no idea whether we "helped" him come to the right conclusion, or whether the years of schooling just got there anyway.
Whatever, I would much rather a Saumur rein were used on an acquaintance's horse who rides similar to how mine USED to - like a 50 ton boulder in your hand, running off willy nilly. He hasn't been out of the arena since he was 5 years old - he's now 13.
Perhaps just accept, some horses are different. Some of us pick the "difficult" ones. But by God when we get them working correctly the power is off the scale!!!
I don't know the ins and outs, but I do know that my instructor (who is classical and abhors any type of gadget or shortcut) used a Saumur rein on my boy - to help him get the idea. Because, at the end of the day, he is a draught and it was just so hard for him to get the idea of how to carry me.
Having said that, the Saumur rein is the only "gadget" considered to be able to allow a horse to work correctly through its back.
And even then, we used it once or twice and then just persevered old school! Result - a fabulously powerful all rounder (see sig!!).
My point being, I don't believe for one minute that the OP is not "experienced", in fact she sounds very experienced to me, having lessons with a top trainer and even then, questioning the advice given on here!
With some horses, they are damn hard to teach to work uphill. In such cases, I believe a training aid MAY be of use. I'm not entirely sure. But I'm just saying, perhaps the trainer has more experience than all of us on here put together - perhaps he/she has seen more horses, of all types. And perhaps there was a good reason - as with my lad. In our case, it was used, briefly, as a "hint". I can't say whether it worked or not. I have no idea whether we "helped" him come to the right conclusion, or whether the years of schooling just got there anyway.
Whatever, I would much rather a Saumur rein were used on an acquaintance's horse who rides similar to how mine USED to - like a 50 ton boulder in your hand, running off willy nilly. He hasn't been out of the arena since he was 5 years old - he's now 13.
Perhaps just accept, some horses are different. Some of us pick the "difficult" ones. But by God when we get them working correctly the power is off the scale!!!
walkingman
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Whatever the dangers or otherwise of useing sidereins, they are at the end of the day, a shortcut and just like any shortcut, will have side effects some or all of which are undesirable to many.
another website which some may find interesting -
http://www.dressageworld.com.au/dressage...ilippe_karl.php
another website which some may find interesting -
http://www.dressageworld.com.au/dressage...ilippe_karl.php