Ringers in Pt to Pts

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I think she mean when they have two very similar looking horse in point to pointing and they pretend it is the same one in case something happens to one of them they've got a spare!???
 
Have at look at H&H news - some unscrupulous people used a 'better' horse to run , my point was supposed to be amusing viz have 3 horses which look the same but are selected on ability for the 3 disciplines of eventing..... wow that was hard work, is it Monday?
 
LOL, yeh you could hear the cogs going round in my head for a minute, I knew what you meant!!! It is a good idea and i have seen somebody compete and qualify on a horse BSJA under the same name and it was even a different colour!!!
 
Erm I don't really want to name anybody but her first name is Jo and she competes around the lincolnshire area. She buys and sells jumping ponies and she has about 6 registered names on BSJA, all different hieghts and colours and competes under the name that it looks closest to!!! She doesn't have them very long and her turnover is very quick, so she'll probably take them do a new and a fox under a false name and sell it. She always pays everything with cash too so she is untraceable!! Even buying and selling, she never accepts cheques or anything. We bought a 138cm 10 year old JA mare from her for £1500. (we registered it properly after as it already had a record). It was one of the best ponies I ever had!!!
 
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so you dont really want to name her - but have basically given out her details........
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Well there could be a gazillion 'Jo's' in BSJA really couldn't there...

So it was nothing to do with point to pointing then?
 
the poster said she competes in Lincolnshire and has lots of horses - im sure that arent that many venues in lincolnshire and that someone could work it out.

Just not a very practical thing to do IMO.
 
I didn't want to give her full name and Jo is her nickname, her real name is very different, she does not make it a secret and has been reported a few times, but the BSJA didn't seem to do anything?? She is very well known in this area and most poeple on the competition circuit know her any way!!! I know her very well and although she is a typical dealer, she is a very good horsewomen.
Sorry somebody asked, it wasnt like I gave her full name and address, there are probably thousands of people who would fit that description!!!
 
Ah, well you didnt say Jo was her nickname, i assumed it was her real name!!

Didnt see it in H&H if it was..........But i havent got this weeks copy yet, it will be waiting for me at home!
 
Nope, I was commenting on the original post saying I knew somebody who did this also. Not in point-to-pointing but in BSJA. I was implying that it is possible and that the turnaround of her ponies is so fast and the fact she pays everything by cash, makes it hard to prove or do anything about.

Sorry P_G I didn't think I put enough info in even let people guess who she is, especially as her actual name under which she competes isn't Jo.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that would do me although only need two, currently one if fine for SJ and XC, just need a DR one, pootles off to fine a nice 16hh bay mare with no white and TB......Hehehe...
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Wow, this thread is hard work isn't it? I knew exactly what you meant from your first post - a thought I have often had
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if we cannot get abattoirs to check microchips and freezemarks then what chance do we stand of identifying ringers like this - not enough time at normal shows to check every single horse unless the rule is microchip and scanner for ID.

think someone must have known and dropped them in it from the report reading between the lines - that really is the only way something like this is discovered

looking at some of the ponies in the 148cm pony racing you do wonder if they really havent' raced under rules (which isn't permitted) - no pony can race that has run in TB or Arab racing....
 
Heres what the OP is referring too:
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/master....story_id=909992
TBH, im surprised it doesnt happen more often in P to P. I ahve never known a passport or microchip checked at a point to point, unless a dope test is required. Out of all the point to points ive been to, ive only seen the dope van there once.
If you comapre it with under rules where every runners microchip is checked, and first run of every season is passport checked, it is shoddy.
There is always a vet present, why not let him earn his fee by spending 20 mins scanning microchips?
No experience of pony racing, but have heard they are very strict on the 'never to have raced' rule. I think it is very likely that quite a few have been in training as 2yos, know their stuff and just never grew.
 
Just to mention that not all vets earn any money whatsoever for working at p-t-p's. It is a long hard day making a lot of snap decisions under pressure from owners/trainers and sitting in front of the stewards for inquiries (bloody scary bunch!). Several of us in our area do this out of goodwill - at up to 5 meetings a season - towards the local hunts concerned. I am grateful for a bite of lunch and a strong drink once the last maidens have finally arrived home safe. Why they save the maidens for the end of the day is something I have never quite grasped!
 
The race in which the ringer was alledgedly run happened on Easter Monday 2006 so the story's been going round for some time. However it was only this week that the jockey club (or HRA) charged those involved.

Just remembered what I meant to say about the microchips: As far as I remember the first year that foals were compulsarily chipped before they could be registered with Weatherbys was 2000. That means that batch are now 7 year olds now and therefore the majority of pointers are older than that and probably don't have chips. (Unless I'm wrong and it was 1998 in which case they are 9 year olds........hmmmm memory failing in advancing old age. Please help!)
 
Wish vets did get something - generally the practice gets a free advert and the vet gets a bottle of something (on a good day). The can also bring friends (if said friend will actually fit in the car with the vet stuff... too many memories of journeys surrounded by bits of guttering, stuff between legs and reference books on lap - I'm not the one driving. Worst is when the conditions are marginal - slippery or hard - you're constantly on adrenaline hoping nothing will break down, slip, p off down the road/over fences etc.

Completely echo the waiting for the maidens side of things - presumably they're last so if a horse needs treated (or breaks a fence...) they cause the minimum possible disruption to the rest of the meeting.

As for eventing ringers - would be easy enough on a 1 day - but wouldn't work on a 3 day with the secure stabling etc.
 
Will have to get OH to move to Herefordshire then! All he's ever got is a bottle of whiskey and free tickets for the local hunt ball (out of about 6 P2Ps).

I just get worried when "West Devon Meats" sponsors the Mares' Maiden Race. Feels like tempting fate a little too much
 
Must have a word with our local organisers! At one p-t-p this year is pi$$ed down so much that by the time they ran the maidens as the last race (yes and obviously the only race of the day to be divided) the crowd had gone home, the bookies had gone home, the stewards were 'watching' from the hospitality tent and there was one lone vet with a pair of binoculars forlornly trying to see whether the horse that had been jumping greenly at every fence had actually lost its jockey at the open ditch......... Must start a petition. Maidens first!!
 
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