Rockley farm's latest horse for rehab

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So, not normally one to be starting new threads, and still fairly new to the forum (though I have been lurking for a while), but MrsD123 requested a thread on my boy, his lameness issues and his journey to Rockley for barefoot rehab. Now I dont want this turning into a for/against barefoot thread like another one has, but this is my boy's story for those of you interested.

I bought Nic from a dealer in May 2010 as a just turned 5 year old, 16.3ish tbXwb who was very green in the school but had some presence about him. he'd spent the winter hunting with a 17yo boy and was just starting to learn what dressage was about (I bought him with the aim of seeing how far up the levels we could go). At this point he was also a bit of a toast rack and topline was non-existant! Passed a 5 stage vetting and so he arrived at my yard. Settle in very quickly, but wasn't quite as straight forward as the dealer claimed him to be! No real problems though and he quickly started to come on very nicely in the school and proved himself to be brave and mostly very straightforward out hacking (minus the odd rearing spin buck!).

In july 2010, in the school, we had just got him past the stage where he fought me over everything - we'd found each others buttons, and he gave me the most amazing trot i have ever sat on! But then the week next, he was back to his agruing self. instructor and i both thought he was slightly off in his right hind. and after a bit of backwards and forwards he was diagnosed with high suspensory desmitis. He had shockwave therapy and was turned away for the winter as it was only mild and i'm rather antibox rest (and he is a handful!).

Started bringing him back into work in Feb 2011, and although he felt fine behind, we didnt feel quite right in front - was ok in walk, but relunctant to go forward in trot,especially up or down hills. Tried to push him through it a bit as he is a bit of lazy so and so, and he had gone right back to his babish ways. But after a month and a couple of osteo treatments, it was time to go back to hte vets. He was there for a week in May, and eventually they realised he was lame in all four legs! both hind suspensories (although ligaments had healed on ultrasound, they thought there was residual nerve damage), his right fore blocked 80% to the heels, 10% to the rest of the foot and his left fore blocked to the heel regions. Xrays of front feet didnt reveal anything and we concluded the front was secondary to the hindlameness, most probably caused by poor foot balance and thin soles (major under run heels). He had both suspensories denerved and went through 1 month of box rest and then pen rest. he also had remedial farrier work, including front pads designed to improve his heels.

Beginning of September and all was looking good, so got the vet back out to reassess if i could start bringing him back into work. But between booking the call out and the vet coming, he clearly retweaked whatever damage he'd done in front and when the vet was out, he was noticeably (1-2/5) lame on a circle on hard ground. Vet advised i started walk work on a surface on bute for a couple of weeks to see if that would help, but unfortunately he only seemed to go downhill further. Vet come back out at end of sept and he was probably 3/5 lame on a circle. we discussed options (mri: but both vet and i were doubtful it would give any further treatment options due to chronic nature of injury) and pts was strongly being banded about as a plan.

Now i've always had horses shod, but was aware from reading these boards about the successes people have had barefooting navicular horses. my remedial farrier obviously scoffed at the idea (well, he was selling me £200 worth of shoes every 6 weeks), but i gave Nic at Rockley a ring and found her incredibly helpful, and she was just one of those people that talk sense in the way so many dont anymore. so quick battle with the insurance company (shearwater, who in the end were surprisingly positive about the plan) and he went down to rockley this week.

nic's first impressions were that he has medial/lateral imbalance, incredibly flat souls and frog (mostly from the pads) and also somewhat dinner plate like front feet! his landings aren't too bad - pretty much flat or occasionally heel first in front. left hind is heel first and right hind is flat/heel first but he is sliding it a bit. so she seems very positive at the moment, and he has now gone out on the gravel tracks, made friends with all the other rehabs and she says he is more comfortable than she thought he would be at this stage. so fingers crossed he stays that way and gets busy growing a new hoof capsule!

any thoughts/opinions/experiences welcome!
sorry for the essay but i'm sure you all understand how complicated these horses like to make our lives ;)
 
Good luck! I hope it works for you. My mare also has hind limb suspensory ligament problems and navicular so I've just taken her shoes off - she's also having winter off and we'll see where she's up to in Spring.
I hope your horse makes progress. Keep us regularly updated, I am really interested. x
 
He's in good hands at Rockley. It's always really satisfying to follow a case from start to sound.
Where had you heard about it before deciding to send him?

But how rude of you not to include pics of your boy!
 
Good luck! I hope it works for you. My mare also has hind limb suspensory ligament problems and navicular so I've just taken her shoes off - she's also having winter off and we'll see where she's up to in Spring.
I hope your horse makes progress. Keep us regularly updated, I am really interested. x

I'm a great fan of turning them away for a bit and letting nature take is course. Its so much more beneficial then box rest in my eyes. I hope the break does her good - i know only too well the heart breakingness of suspensory problems (my last boy was pts also due to suspensory desmitis), and i'm sure taking her shoes off will benefit the back end as much as the front!

I'll keep my fingers crossed for the spring for you! x
 
He's in good hands at Rockley. It's always really satisfying to follow a case from start to sound.
Where had you heard about it before deciding to send him?

But how rude of you not to include pics of your boy!

that was entirely my feeling - Nic just fills you with confidence precisely because she doesn't over promise anything, just knows her stuff. I probably could have attempted to rehab him at home, but as soon as i spoke to her, I knew he was going down.

mostly just heard about from on here/general equine chatter down the yard of people knowing navicular horses that have improved barefoot. and everyone seems to say rockley is the place to go!

if i could remember my photobucket account password... Once Nic puts his photos up o nthe blog, I'll link to it here
 
My horse, Pocholo, was there earlier this year and his mate, Kingsley, was there last year. P is doing brilliantly, he has 3/4s of his new hoof capsule now and is storming along! Nic at Rockley is an amazing person, she is so clear and straightforwards. I wish there were more like her in the horse world!
 
Thanks everyone for the well wishes and good luck vibes!

Great news this morning from Rockley that he is coping really well without his shoes and his feet are starting to look better already. He's had his first blog post here for anyone interested:
http://rockleyfarm.blogspot.com/2011/11/whod-have-thought-it.html

when we first removed those pads:
a) his feet absolutely stank to high heaven. one of the worst smells i've ever smelt! His soles were black and moist and 'sweaty'!
b) the pads had worn everything completely flat - sole and frog included, so its great to see from the photos how quickly the dead sole is eroding away on the pea gravel and that there is some nice healthy sole under it all, and his frogs are springing right back to shape

I'm sure its not natural to be this excited about a pair of smelly horse hoofs... i fear I am rapidly slipping down the slippery slope of barefoot feet obsession ;)

any other thoughts on his feet from those of you with far more knowledge then me gladly welcome!
 
Thanks everyone for the well wishes and good luck vibes!

Great news this morning from Rockley that he is coping really well without his shoes and his feet are starting to look better already. He's had his first blog post here for anyone interested:
http://rockleyfarm.blogspot.com/2011/11/whod-have-thought-it.html

when we first removed those pads:
a) his feet absolutely stank to high heaven. one of the worst smells i've ever smelt! His soles were black and moist and 'sweaty'!
b) the pads had worn everything completely flat - sole and frog included, so its great to see from the photos how quickly the dead sole is eroding away on the pea gravel and that there is some nice healthy sole under it all, and his frogs are springing right back to shape

I'm sure its not natural to be this excited about a pair of smelly horse hoofs... i fear I am rapidly slipping down the slippery slope of barefoot feet obsession ;)

any other thoughts on his feet from those of you with far more knowledge then me gladly welcome!

My first thoughts when I read the update this morning was - wow, his owner is very brave for doing this when the horse was doing OK in the shoes.
Well done!

I'm interested in his remedial shoes - it sounded like they were actually helping better than the standard remedial shoes. What did they look like?
 
Very complex problems, so I am glad Shearwater have helped out, I don't really think you could do all that is required at home with such an all round lameness issue, good luck with him.

Complex indeed! And just when we thought we had fixed one end, the other went!

Shearwater have been an awful lot better and more supportive than i thought they would be. I'm the first client of theirs to have even asked for this, so they are studying the outcome closely! I also went in with the bribe that my vets were recommending and MRI and then possible further costly treatments (surgery/stem cells etc etc) or we could just try the barefoot option which will be soooooooooooo much cheaper....

I should make it clear that he would have gone to rockley regardless - and I am still contributing most of it out of my own pocket. Just a warning to others thinking about trying to get this on their insurance - it may fall under your 'alternative therapy' cover, which, if like shearwater, may be limited to £750 per incident. most of which has already been spent on remedial shoeing! So they are actually only paying about £300 towards the rehab.

But I'm absolutely sure it will be worth every penny - the changes going on already and brilliant!
 
My first thoughts when I read the update this morning was - wow, his owner is very brave for doing this when the horse was doing OK in the shoes.
Well done!

I'm interested in his remedial shoes - it sounded like they were actually helping better than the standard remedial shoes. What did they look like?

the shoes were helping, but he still wasnt right nor 100% sound. and when i first spoke to Nic, nico was a good 3/5ths lame which was the lamest he had ever been and i had been very close to the pts route (and my vet agreed). Between first speaking to Nic and him actually going, 2 months in the field had definitely helped and other people would look at him and think he was sound, whereas I look at him and can still see that he is v slightly more lame on the RF but is definitely short in both fronts. So yes, still a brave decision but less so than had he been sound in shoes.

The decision was also partly financial because the remedial shoeing was costing £200 every 6 weeks which is fine whilst on the insurance but not an amount of money i could be affording by myself!

The pads he has had are specially designed (patent pending!) by my remedial farrier alf hall for horses with underrun heels. They basically come as an overly large sheet of plastic which he then cuts to size. At the back is the raised heel and frog section as can be seen in the 2nd photo down on the blog. He then fits a half shoe in front with quarter clips which sit over the top of the pad to keep it all in place. and because there is nothing restricting the heels, but the pads do support them, this allows the heels room to expand and move back into the right place again! In june this year he had v badly underrun heels but within 2 shoeings with the pads, they were looking perfect again. But when we took the pads off and put him back into normal shoes, he went lame again! Discussed barefoot with the farrier at that point and got told he wouldnt be a good candidate as he obviously needs the heel support... :rolleyes: i didnt bother arguing it out further ;)
 
Really interesting blog spot, I haven't heard of Rockley before but fingers crossed. It's nice when you get the help you need, must be such a relief for you but sounds like you have been doing a great job so far.
 
I read the blog this morning and was fascinated with the shots of compacted dead sole left on the hoof. ;) Hooves do become a bit of an obsession but then it's so very interesting learning.
Very interesting pics of the remedial shoeing with pad. Bet you wont get that smell out of your memory for a long, long time! :eek:

Rockley has a range of footing and lots of horses to promote lots of movement. Many of us can't replicate this to a big enough extent even with exercize to go the self trimming route exclusively.
 
I read the blog this morning and was fascinated with the shots of compacted dead sole left on the hoof. ;) Hooves do become a bit of an obsession but then it's so very interesting learning.
Very interesting pics of the remedial shoeing with pad. Bet you wont get that smell out of your memory for a long, long time! :eek:

Rockley has a range of footing and lots of horses to promote lots of movement. Many of us can't replicate this to a big enough extent even with exercize to go the self trimming route exclusively.

given the shoes came back to the yard in my car, I'm not sure I'm getting the smell out of my car for a long long time!

I've never had a lame horse with foot problems before, so whilst my knowledge of joints/tendons/ligaments is excellent, I'm now on a rather steep learning curve and enjoying every minute!
 
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