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Genuine question but you say the horses stand in the stalls till the gates open then start bucking - don't they buck like crazy because the cowboys spur them and the cinch thing fastened round their stifle irritates them? Same for the bulls?

What happens to the horses once they have done on their circuit - are they never ridable? Are they just put down? Same for the bulls - what happens to them? It just seems not very nice for the horses? As I say I'm just curious.
 
Great action shot pics, Im undecided wether I like the thought of rodeos ... Intend to go to one when we head over to my sils over in new mexico later on this year , so hopefully that will make my mind up .
 
No they don't mess about in the chutes as the flank strap is not tightened until the horse leaves the chute so they have no cause to get uppity when they are in the chutes.

They don't have the cowboys on their backs until a few seconds before the chute gate opens and they'd have to be pretty stupid cowboys to want to stick their spurs into a 1,500lb animal whilst they are stranded in a tiny chute.

The bulls do the same as the horses - stand quietly until it is their turn to go out. The moment the gates open, the flank strap is tightened and off they go.

I expect the horses once they have finished the circuit end up in exactly the same place as most other ridden horses who have finished their working life? Either on a ranch retiring, used for breeding, given away or put to sleep. Doubtful that rodeo horses would be treated any different from most other working horses in the world.

I would guess that these are breeding bulls; can't see how it would be cost-effective to keep these bulls purely for a short-rodeo tour but who knows. They won't be much use as meat as they are too old.

Why is it not nice for the horses? Is it nice for eventers, dressage horses, showjumpers? Similar type of working lifestyle, except in those other disciplines mentioned the horses certainly work for far longer than 8 seconds in a day.
 
Oh crikey; I really would consider that very seriously. Rodeos in Mexico are not governed and you are likely to see some awful things happening there.
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The bulls do the same as the horses - stand quietly until it is their turn to go out. The moment the gates open, the flank strap is tightened and off they go.

I expect the horses once they have finished the circuit end up in exactly the same place as most other ridden horses who have finished their working life? Either on a ranch retiring, used for breeding, given away or put to sleep. Doubtful that rodeo horses would be treated any different from most other working horses in the world.

I would guess that these are breeding bulls; can't see how it would be cost-effective to keep these bulls purely for a short-rodeo tour but who knows. They won't be much use as meat as they are too old.

Why is it not nice for the horses? Is it nice for eventers, dressage horses, showjumpers? Similar type of working lifestyle, except in those other disciplines mentioned the horses certainly work for far longer than 8 seconds in a day.

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Sorry I thought in your original post you were saying they were well behaved because they stood in the chutes and only started bucking when they heard the click of the gate being released. I was saying surely it's more to do with being spurred like crazy and having that strap tightened than them being 'well trained'.

I think the difference for me is that with the other disaplines you mention like showing, eventing etc is that it's pleasent to watch the partership between horse and rider working together. You can see the horse enjoying what it does, it's treated with respect and kindness. The rodeo horse just seems to be a pawn in a game, there is no kindess or compassion, no working relationship - its more about how man is greater than the horse and it somehow degrades (for want of a better word) them?
 
Yep I did. The moment the gate clicks, the flank strap is pulled and the horse bombs off.

Hmm perhaps; I've never seen any of the cowboys spurring the horses when they were on them, or in the chute to be honest. It's never been the case at any of the many rodeos I have ever been to. How many have you been to where you have been able to get close enough to see exactly what is going on in the chutes?

Again, certainly not been my experience of seeing horses uncared for at the rodeos I've been to and personally I'd think it was a pretty silly owner who would pay $50,000 for a bronc just to see it get ripped up and not cared for?

You are able to go and speak to the horses and bulls at the end. They all get turned out in the arena and are fed loads of hay right up by the barriers so you can chatter away to them. They come over for pats and I would have thought that if they were afraid of humans or nervous that this wouldn't happen....but you seem to know better - have you been to a nasty rodeo then?

I have to say it is all down to degrees I guess; you see for me, I couldn't really think of anything more boring to watch than dressage.
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Interesting that you feel that a rodeo horse is a "pawn in the game" but you don't consider that eventers, sj's and dressage horses are also.
 
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Aren't some of the bucking horses rideable away from rodeo circuit? I'll swear I heard a commentator on Rodeo Wrecks talk about one of the catch horses being a bucking horse, but not been used for a few meets.

I used to think, years back, that the horses were abused, given itchy powder under the saddles or were unbroken horses. However, again I'll swear that somewhere I read that bucking horses are pretty much trained to do their job, much in the same way as any horse is schooled for the purpose we want to use it for?

Cracking pictures by the way.

As for the bulls...best end I can think of for them is the freezer! Imagine the "revenge" for all the times the cowboys get dumped and flipped by the bulls if they were able to have a huge BBQ when the time comes to wave bye bye to one of the bulls.
 
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Yep I did. The moment the gate clicks, the flank strap is pulled and the horse bombs off.

Hmm perhaps; I've never seen any of the cowboys spurring the horses when they were on them, or in the chute to be honest. It's never been the case at any of the many rodeos I have ever been to. How many have you been to where you have been able to get close enough to see exactly what is going on in the chutes?

Again, certainly not been my experience of seeing horses uncared for at the rodeos I've been to and personally I'd think it was a pretty silly owner who would pay $50,000 for a bronc just to see it get ripped up and not cared for?

You are able to go and speak to the horses and bulls at the end. They all get turned out in the arena and are fed loads of hay right up by the barriers so you can chatter away to them. They come over for pats and I would have thought that if they were afraid of humans or nervous that this wouldn't happen....but you seem to know better - have you been to a nasty rodeo then?

I have to say it is all down to degrees I guess; you see for me, I couldn't really think of anything more boring to watch than dressage.
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Interesting that you feel that a rodeo horse is a "pawn in the game" but you don't consider that eventers, sj's and dressage horses are also.

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No I haven't seen them being spurred in the chutes and wasn't meaning to insinuate that they were. I was just saying that regards your original comment (they stand totally quietly in the chutes and the minute they hear the click of the gate opening they start!!) it's not suprising that they shoot off once the gate is opened as they are being spurred like heck and have that belt tightened. I favour the Monty Roberts /Parelli type approach of doing things ie a more natural working with the animal rather than against them, which again I think that the disaplines like eventing, jumping etc do. Horses are just such graceful, majestic animals that we should treat with kindness and compassion that it just seems disrespectful to deliberately inflict them with such pain and discomfort? Maybe I'm not explaining myself very well?
 
It wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, Patches if some of these horses ended up as catch-horses. They know the routine and lifestyle so it would probably suit them well.

Another thing the commentaries often say is that these horses have never been ridden, well I'm honestly not sure that this is truly the case with all of them. I watched those older horses and the minute they heard the buzzer at 8 seconds, they stopped bucking straight away whether the flank-strap had been taken off and regardless of whether the rider was still on board or not, LOL!!

Some of those bulls are pretty darned mean. The one that came crashing at the barriers was mad as anything! I agree with you about them becoming part of the BBQ! Heck of a load of burgers you'd get from them! Doubtful though as they were definitely over the age where they can be made into pies.
 
No you are explaining what you believe perfectly - I just don't happen to agree with you. No big deal, loads of people disagree on here
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I favour the Monty Roberts /Parelli type approach of doing things ie a more natural working with the animal rather than against them, which again I think that the disaplines like eventing, jumping etc do.

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I'm not sure what you mean on this comment though? Are you saying that eventing and showjumping work against the horse too? Or do you mean that they are similar to Parelli/Monty approaches?
 
They've scrapped the OTMS here in England though.....so oldies can and are now permitted to enter the food chain again.

Old dairy cows always were classed as MacDonald's specials!
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I agree that they must be used to being ridden to some degree. Some of the bucking horses are used for a few seasons. Surely they'd get the idea that a rider on the back isn't that bad at some point and stop wanting to buck if it's just an unbroken thing?
 
I've never seen a rider go around Badminton using carrot sticks, instead of a bridle to control their horse.
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No you are explaining what you believe perfectly - I just don't happen to agree with you. No big deal, loads of people disagree on here
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I favour the Monty Roberts /Parelli type approach of doing things ie a more natural working with the animal rather than against them, which again I think that the disaplines like eventing, jumping etc do.

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I'm not sure what you mean on this comment though? Are you saying that eventing and showjumping work against the horse too? Or do you mean that they are similar to Parelli/Monty approaches?

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No if I was breaking or training horses I would favour this approach of working. I think that all other disaplines work with the horse where as rodeo deliberate works against it. If people care about horses and their welfare, why would they enjoy seeing them spurred and baited? It just doesn't seem to add up to me?
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Oh! No we are still on the 30 months over here.

Well I know I can't imagine carrot sticks and Badminton really going hand in hand LOL!!
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Eh? Have you been eventing and showjumping?
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For that matter have you been to a rodeo? If so, where and what type?
 
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No if I was breaking or training horses I would favour this approach of working. I think that all other disaplines work with the horse where as rodeo deliberate works against it. If people care about horses and their welfare, why would they enjoy seeing them spurred and baited? It just doesn't seem to add up to me?
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I'm neither for or against Rodeo personally but I can never understand the notion that only rodeo riders are cruel to horses.

I've seen plenty of evidence of show jumpers (especially) spurring horses in a rather OTT manner or giving them a complete leathering them with sticks that far exceeds usual disciplinary use. What about the soring of tennesse walking horses or the tying up of Arabs heads to make them stand the way they "prefer" for showing?

Do you not worry about the bulls' welfare too or is it just the horses? Our problems (and I would include me in this for the most part) is that we have such a clearly defined emotional attachment to horses that we find anything other than the our own ideals to be wrong/cruel.

Some people (again not me as I hold no real opinion) think Parelli is cruel and would liken it teaching horses to be on a par with the performing monkeys in a circus ring (again not a view I hold personally)
 
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Oh crikey; I really would consider that very seriously. Rodeos in Mexico are not governed and you are likely to see some awful things happening there.
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The rodeos that my sil is on about are in texas or there abouts not actually mexico , Although i though NEW MEXICO was in america so to speak , I thought mexico is in south america ?
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Me or Patches...?!?

As I say it just confuses me that horse lovers would want to see them being spurred at a rodeo for pleasure?
 
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As I say it just confuses me that horse lovers would want to see them being spurred at a rodeo for pleasure?

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I guarantee you that question was directed at you.

I don't need to tell Tia I have never been to a Rodeo! She knows I am afraid of flying , not to mention stuck on the farm doing twice daily milkings.
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LOL!! I'm zipping around doing other things, no capitals so I missed the New part
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Make sure it is a NPRA one though as these are the regulated ones.
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No if I was breaking or training horses I would favour this approach of working. I think that all other disaplines work with the horse where as rodeo deliberate works against it. If people care about horses and their welfare, why would they enjoy seeing them spurred and baited? It just doesn't seem to add up to me?
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I'm neither for or against Rodeo personally but I can never understand the notion that only rodeo riders are cruel to horses.

I've seen plenty of evidence of show jumpers (especially) spurring horses in a rather OTT manner or giving them a complete leathering them with sticks that far exceeds usual disciplinary use. What about the soring of tennesse walking horses or the tying up of Arabs heads to make them stand the way they "prefer" for showing?

Do you not worry about the bulls' welfare too or is it just the horses? Our problems (and I would include me in this for the most part) is that we have such a clearly defined emotional attachment to horses that we find anything other than the our own ideals to be wrong/cruel.

Some people (again not me as I hold no real opinion) think Parelli is cruel and would liken it teaching horses to be on a par with the performing monkeys in a circus ring (again not a view I hold personally)

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I haven't at any point said that cruelty was reserved for rodeo's but this is the only event where the cruelty aspect is what people pay to go and see for fun. I sure there are lots of other disaplines out there where people use cruel methods and if people were paying to go and watch that cruelty then I would be against that too!! No I mentioned the bulls too - I don't think that's kind either. I just don't see how spurring the heck out of them to get them to buck is not cruel - it's inflicting pain and discomfort? Really people think that about Parelli? I didn't realise? Having seen Monty Roberts in action I think that using kind, humane methods where you work with the horse can only be for the better? Just my opinion.
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Ahh but you love your milkers though Patches
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No Tyebo; have you been eventing, sjing? And which rodeos have you been to?
 
I do love them, in a fashion.

Right...I'm off to bed now. Only staying up late because Matthew decided his PE kit needed washing for tomorrow (make that today). He decided this at 10.30pm and it was sooooo black it needed a boil wash!

Kids!

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Nighty night Patches. Sleep well. Don't dream of black ponies whizzing down your driveway in search of some lessons!
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Ahh but you love your milkers though Patches
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No Tyebo; have you been eventing, sjing? And which rodeos have you been to?

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Why do you ask? I'm cautious in answering you as I don't know what relevance it has - unless I've been to eventing for x amount of years or brought up on the rodeo circuit then you're going to tell me I don't know jack
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I've been to a Monty demo. Found him charming and very calm and sympathetic around the horses.

I wasn't suggesting that you only think that Rodeo is cruel, although I realise it reads that way. I just don't think it's as bad as we "pony patters" (as I like to call myself) are led to believe. Half of the time the riders don't even manage to get their legs on and spur properly (as in the way I think they're supposed to do it) anyway.
 
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Nighty night Patches. Sleep well. Don't dream of black ponies whizzing down your driveway in search of some lessons!
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I've been to a Monty demo. Found him charming and very calm and sympathetic around the horses.

I wasn't suggesting that you only think that Rodeo is cruel, although I realise it reads that way. I just don't think it's as bad as we "pony patters" (as I like to call myself) are led to believe. Half of the time the riders don't even manage to get their legs on and spur properly (as in the way I think they're supposed to do it) anyway.

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Perhaps not, as I said at first it was a just a genuine question (I knew I should have my mouth shut lol
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) and something that I've seen as a bit of a contridiction to 'horse lovers' enjoying? Anyway, off to bed too, got to be up for the nags in 5 hours.
 
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