ROLLKUR IN LONDON what can we actually do?? anyone???

Sending those e-mails to newspapers is short sighted at best. Equine sports are already fighting to stay in the Olympics and all this negativity wil only add fuel to the fire. It will reduce funding and then there is less chance of controlling what goes on. There are a lot of very experienced horsemen acting as stewards at Greenwich who dislike rollkur as much as you or I so they will only allow it within the time constraints and no more. By all means write to the FEI or the national federations but bringing national press into the argument will help nobody and, particularly as they have no understanding of horses is not going to do anything to help the one party you think you are defending.
 
well done stilldreamin', i too dream of a world where the horse is ridden and trained in freedom and shows it's best work, develops to its ultimate potential through humane and patient process's, and where people who wish to aspire to ride high school are set examples by trainers, who are true horsemen, and not the producers of horses that look more and more like performing seals in a circus, - toto etc
 
Laura-C said:
I think the lack of transparency is a huge issue. I'm not particularly 'up' on dressage, but what is the reason behind keeping the warm-up so secretive? Surely if the FEI were doing their job properly and wanted to uphold the illegal status of this "training technique" then filming the warm-up area would not be unreasonable?
They seem to be so keen on down playing the accusations, but how is it in their benefit to shield the practice and the riders who use it? A more open stance would win them a lot of respect. To step up to the mark, and say "this will no longer be tolerated" and STAND BY it!
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Rolkur is as far as I'm aware not illegal anywhere , the are rules made by the FEI governing it use in warm up in FEI competions that's a very very different thing.
Laws can only be made by governments .
 
Goldenstar said:
Rolkur is as far as I'm aware not illegal anywhere , the are rules made by the FEI governing it use in warm up in FEI competions that's a very very different thing.
Laws can only be made by governments .
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Obviously I know that laws can only be made in Parliament! I didn't mean illegal as in against the law, but "illegal" within the competition, as in banned within the rules set by FEI, maybe I should have been a bit clearer. I'm now imagining the Met's finest chasing Patrik Kittell around the warm up brandishing tasers :o ;) :D
 
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oldvic said:
Sending those e-mails to newspapers is short sighted at best. Equine sports are already fighting to stay in the Olympics and all this negativity wil only add fuel to the fire. It will reduce funding and then there is less chance of controlling what goes on. There are a lot of very experienced horsemen acting as stewards at Greenwich who dislike rollkur as much as you or I so they will only allow it within the time constraints and no more. By all means write to the FEI or the national federations but bringing national press into the argument will help nobody and, particularly as they have no understanding of horses is not going to do anything to help the one party you think you are defending.
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There are no time constraints in rollkur, it is not allowed.:confused:
There are time constraints in ldr, but imo this is tipping into rollkur in some cases and a blind eye is being turned, with nobody willing to pull up and warn a big name.
When people have tried to go through their appointed governing bodies and feel theyre getting nowhere, then they may feel that news papers and public scrutiny are the only way to go. Mabe itll take the house of Cards to tumble and sponsorship and funding deals lost before it will stop.
And i beg to differ, but im sure if it highlights this cruel training,it'll possibly help the poor horses suffering at the hands of the rollkur users
 
I think it's good for the sport to highlight welfare issues. You have to have your own house in order.

Look at what's happening with horse racing in the US. It's under threat for financial and economic reasons, but it's also lost supporters because people don't like to see the breakdowns that result from overracing and drug use. No one will stand up and fight for dressage to remain in the Olympics if they see abuse being tolerated by the official sporting bodies.
 
To me arguing that you shouldn't kick up a stink over Rollkur because then the Olympics might get rid of equestrian events is like telling people with Tennessee Walking Horses in the US that if they ever want to show their horses again they'd better not make a fuss about soring.
 
Yes well done still dreamin and armas for actually doing something. Its a start

I for one would rather the competitions didn't take place then subject the horses to this method of training..If that's the price then so be it. But who says olympic Dressage will stop. TBH more people will watch if there is true horsemanship.
 
You are being naive if you think that if equine sports came out of the Olympics then rollkur would stop. The stewards in Greenwich include the likes of Jennie Loriston-Clarke and by implying that the FEI condones rollkur you are implying that they do too. They will be very hot on the 10 minute rule just as they won't tolerate abuse. I am confident that Jennie and her colleagues have more than enough knowledge to deal with the situation and I am sure they would not being involving the media. Hopefully the British team will give the media plenty to write about and the proper channels will deal with any other matters.
 
oldvic said:
Sending those e-mails to newspapers is short sighted at best. Equine sports are already fighting to stay in the Olympics and all this negativity wil only add fuel to the fire. It will reduce funding and then there is less chance of controlling what goes on. There are a lot of very experienced horsemen acting as stewards at Greenwich who dislike rollkur as much as you or I so they will only allow it within the time constraints and no more. By all means write to the FEI or the national federations but bringing national press into the argument will help nobody and, particularly as they have no understanding of horses is not going to do anything to help the one party you think you are defending.
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oldvic said:
You are being naive if you think that if equine sports came out of the Olympics then rollkur would stop. The stewards in Greenwich include the likes of Jennie Loriston-Clarke and by implying that the FEI condones rollkur you are implying that they do too. They will be very hot on the 10 minute rule just as they won't tolerate abuse. I am confident that Jennie and her colleagues have more than enough knowledge to deal with the situation and I am sure they would not being involving the media. Hopefully the British team will give the media plenty to write about and the proper channels will deal with any other matters.
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100% agree with you oldvic
 
oldvic said:
You are being naive if you think that if equine sports came out of the Olympics then rollkur would stop. The stewards in Greenwich include the likes of Jennie Loriston-Clarke and by implying that the FEI condones rollkur you are implying that they do too. They will be very hot on the 10 minute rule just as they won't tolerate abuse. I am confident that Jennie and her colleagues have more than enough knowledge to deal with the situation and I am sure they would not being involving the media. Hopefully the British team will give the media plenty to write about and the proper channels will deal with any other matters.
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The 'proper channels' appear to be in denial and have completely failed to acknowledge any kind of problem, so my opinion is that it is time to go beyond them. I'm afraid we'll never agree on this one.

At no point have I personally argued that the FEI condone Rollkur, but I have used an article which stresses the rules do not appear to be easy to enforce and prone to misinterpretation, as well as pointing out that British riders are not, to the best of our understanding, users of the practice.
 
Well I watched RRU last night and had to wait 25 minutes before the 'rollkur' incident was mentioned. To me it seemed that the FEI just wanted the whole matter to go away - his comment was 'that it only lasted for a few seconds'. Hmmmm
 
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