Romanian dogs

James Ensor - I admire you coming on to fight your corner, and they look like lovely dogs, but I doubt you will convince many people on this forum of the need to import rescues.

Puppystitch - I rang our dog warden when I last wanted a dog, and she told me the names of the kennels they dropped strays off at. I then rang round them all seeing what they had. I got Sash, my wonderful dog. There was just about every shape, size, colour and age of dog available, it was very sad.
 
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These dogs should not be available for rehoming, at all. Many of them will be smouldering powder kegs, and there is no way of knowing which of them will cause problems in the future for some well-meaning but unsuitable 'rescuers'.

It's impossible, without DNA information, to know the exact breeding of these 'bull type' dogs which finding themselves in dog pounds and rescue centres with ever-increasing regularity. Many of them will have been bred for strength of character and aggressive potential, by idiots, and selected on that basis for further breeding, so that the resultant generations just become a mish-mash of dogs with dodgy temperaments. That, coupled with a history of mis-management, strength of bite, oblivion to pain, and the tendency to take delight in ragging things, makes them potentially very dangerous indeed.

Why would anyone think such dogs would make family pets.

It's unfortunate for the individuals, but the only way to reduce the number of serious injuries and death (mainly to children) from these dogs is to destroy them as they are taken off the streets.

Any dog which has been living a feral existence, such as those in Romania, will be more challenging, in terms of rehoming, than would, say, a dog which has found itself homeless through misfortune, but which had previously been well looked after and socialised. The Romanian dogs have been living in packs; most of them will have had some sort of negative interactions with humans, and they will require specific management to help them adapt to another way of life.

Some of the fluffy among us are so emotionally driven that they seem to think a rescued dog will be a doddle to look after simply because it has been rescued from what they perceive as a miserable existence. It's not that simple, I'm afraid.

I think the rescue centres in Britain should have a PTS policy on all dogs with bull terrier influenced breeding, and also on any dogs which fail to find a home within four weeks of being 'pounded', and it should be against the law to 'rescue' dogs from outwith the country.
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I do think you have a point, although a bit OTT. THe RSPCA in this area does, I hear, PTS all bull breeds now without any assessment.
 
There is no need to import rescues. Our own dogs live abroad for much of the year and some of the other dogs that we have rescued are also abroad. But we see it from another perspective, where we face a stark and unenviable choice between rescuing a dog ourselves that we have been feeding and grown to love for homing somehere in northern Europe and abandoning it to face a horribly painful death. That is how we have reacted, after completely failing to find local, safe homes, shelters or even kennels for these dogs in the Cape Verdes. At first we just let them die and each time we came back, some friends had disappeared.

If you want to understand where we are coming from, please look at www.capeverdeinfo.org.uk/cape_verde_pets.htm
 
james ensor said:
If you want to understand where we are coming from, please look at www.capeverdeinfo.org.uk/cape_verde_pets.htm
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I do understand where you are coming from as I am Greek and had to live with this horrible reality all my life. Letting your feelings take over though is not a solution. Since you say you had to find owners for the imported dogs, what do you think happens to dogs waiting in UK rescues? Just because you cannot see these dogs when you go on holiday doesn't mean they aren't as deserving of a home as the ones you bring with you from abroad. The solution can never be saving a handful of dogs, the problem requires a more permanent solution. Educating people about breeding, neutering and rehoming in their own countries and helping vets and governments PTS humanely.
 
It is fair to say that all six of our dog rescues have been emotional. Apart from the two, which we have kept, none have gone to English people, and nobody, including us, actively was looking for a dog. So no dog from an English rescue home has been ignored. It is not easy to resist a sad face, begging for food and affection.

The Cape Verdeans are some of the world`s hardest people to educate:they generally resent foreigners lecturing them. The Marxist ministers are mostly only interested in feathering their own nests. Indiscriminate killing of cats and dogs, which was organised by island Mayors, has been stopped on just one island, only due to the efforts of European expatriates. German vets come twice yearly to neuter dogs and cats, as a quid pro quo for ceasing killing.

But not all foreigners like dogs. Many foreign owners of night clubs, hotels or cafes use stryccnine around their premises. An Italian hotel manager killed five dogs on the beach - three of them pets. One German cafe owner throttled cats, in front of his customers. An American cafe owner, whose child was bitten, put up posters with a "Walt Disney cartoon" image of an attack dog, teeth bared jumping out of the page. He tried and narrowly failed to kill the dog, with rocks. His poster claimed that people could contract diseases such as rabies from dogs. But the islands have always been free of rabies.

I will leave it to others to try to educate - but continue to help lovely individuals in a small way, by saving their lives.
 
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I think it is different if you are in another country on holiday/working and decide to bring back a dog at your own expense than dogs being imported en masse by 'organisations' some to go into rescue here rather than having homes to go to.
 
Many Cape Verdeans, especially the ruling elite who have had free education in Minsk or Smolensk or who were trained as Kommunister Jugend by the East German Stasi, dislike advice because they already feel that they know all the answers, from Marx and Engels.

Unfortunately their only source of foreign income is from the Cape Verdeans who have emigrated to the US or Europe - who outnumber those that have stayed behind - or from tourist spending. Most tourists do not enjoy seeing the corpses of dogs and cats outside their hotels. There is no overt or outright hostility either to Europeans or to dogs but they resent one lot telling them how to treat the other, in their own country.
 
Well this little chap with be going to the UK Monday, as my daughter has adopted him from here in Spain, hes been with me for the past 2-3 weeks until its time for him to go... she tried the rescues in the UK, but not many would allow her to adopt as she works 4-5 hours per day Mon-Fri, personally I would rather a dog be on its own a few hours a day then get lot of attention the rest of the time, rather than sat in kennels or a pound all day with hardly any attention/company,

and it also works the other way round, I lost my Sheltie 10 weeks ago, (kidney failure)and wanted another, they are very rare here, plus I did not want to pay £700 for one (£1200 here) so I looked at the rescues in the UK, saw a lovely little chap and I could of given him the perfect home (Im home all day)... but the rescues in the UK would not entertain me...

so I did get a rescue from here, a puppy that had been dumped on the streets, ok not a sheltie but a proper heinz 57 (and a little darlin)...

Apache, yes, that is snow in Spain..
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james ensor of course the locals resent foreigners coming in and telling them what to do with their animals, just like the British would resent a similar 'schooling'. That is why education is so important, because it has to be done the right way. Taking a small minority of the animals away doesn't do anyone any favours (other than those particular animals).

freckles22uk I've heard the argument that a dog is better alone in a home for a few hours than in a kennel and of course it makes sense, but statistically it misrepresents the situation. While true in some cases, statistically the comparison is not home alone vs kennel, but the dog is returned to kennels because it was a nightmare when left home alone vs kennels and waiting for the right home from which there is less chance it will be rehomed. Looking at sites like Mumsnet where many posters are not experienced dog owners (unlike HHO where many posters are experienced dog owners), new dog owners have wildly unrealistic expectations of their dogs. They primarily think that if you love a dog then all is fine, when, of course, it's not as simple as that, and why MN has a weekly "I have to urgently rehome my dog" thread.
 
Booboos said:
james ensor of course the locals resent foreigners coming in and telling them what to do with their animals, just like the British would resent a similar 'schooling'. That is why education is so important, because it has to be done the right way. Taking a small minority of the animals away doesn't do anyone any favours (other than those particular animals).

freckles22uk I've heard the argument that a dog is better alone in a home for a few hours than in a kennel and of course it makes sense, but statistically it misrepresents the situation. While true in some cases, statistically the comparison is not home alone vs kennel, but the dog is returned to kennels because it was a nightmare when left home alone vs kennels and waiting for the right home from which there is less chance it will be rehomed. Looking at sites like Mumsnet where many posters are not experienced dog owners (unlike HHO where many posters are experienced dog owners), new dog owners have wildly unrealistic expectations of their dogs. They primarily think that if you love a dog then all is fine, when, of course, it's not as simple as that, and why MN has a weekly "I have to urgently rehome my dog" thread.
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There is a difference between a 'few' hours and all day, now that I don't agree with, I cant see the point of having a dog for it to be alone 8 hours+ a day, and I can see why a lot end up in shelters due to this, though this is my daughters first dog, she has been brought up round dogs, and has not looked into having one lightly, which unfortunately a lot do, they see a cute puppy and thats it, or get totally the wrong breed, I does annoy me here though, Im on a lot of the rescue pages on FB, and people are pushed into the wrong dog, there are some pointer x dalmation pups at the moment want rehoming, and I can see some of those going to the wrong home, with no thought to whether the person adopting is suitable... least with the one my daughter is having, Ive had him 3 weeks, so if I though he was totally unsuitable I could keep him with me... hes a little darling though...
 
^ Excellent post Booboos.

I've successfully worked through separation anxiety in a dog and I would still never knowingly take on another one with it. It's absolutely hellish. The idea of a non experienced home ending up with a dog that cannot be safely left fills me with dread and I would rather see a dog left in kennels for a long, long time than be bounced from home to home wreaking destruction in its wake (and reinforcing itself further).

The latest Mumsnet dog thread was :eek:

Freckles you raise a good point about having had the dog for a few weeks first; the breed rescue I volunteer for doesn't use kennels and all dogs are fostered in homes. They have a very, very low rate of dogs being returned as a result because everyone knows exactly what they're dealing with. I'd love to see this model used more.
 
blackcob said:
^ Excellent post Booboos.

I've successfully worked through separation anxiety in a dog and I would still never knowingly take on another one with it. It's absolutely hellish. The idea of a non experienced home ending up with a dog that cannot be safely left fills me with dread and I would rather see a dog left in kennels for a long, long time than be bounced from home to home wreaking destruction in its wake (and reinforcing itself further).

The latest Mumsnet dog thread was :eek:

Freckles you raise a good point about having had the dog for a few weeks first; the breed rescue I volunteer for doesn't use kennels and all dogs are fostered in homes. They have a very, very low rate of dogs being returned as a result because everyone knows exactly what they're dealing with. I'd love to see this model used more.
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I think all rescue dogs should go on a trail first, my daughter is just lucky that I live here and it was no problem me having him, least he got some crate training, house training, recall lessons, lots of walks off lead, saw horses (as Ive got mine at home and daughter has a horse)... met my cats, I took him out to meet friends and other dogs...

a friend adopted a podenco pup, and also did lots like I did, (he was a nightmare when he turned up) but it would not tolerate her cats despite trying everything,(she tried for 3 months with him) the rescue took him back then proceeded to slate her on FB, stating she sent him back is he was ''a little naughty'' and they are saying he is good with cats... :-/

edit to add..... nearly all of the dogs here also go in a foster home for a while... (shame some dont know what they are doing...)
 
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It costs a fortune to import dogs as already said these are uk dogs bred over here getting more for them than they can sell normally. It's like the dealer I used to know selling Irish ponies they cost too much to bring from Ireland and because people are stupid she was sticking the Irish name onto anything that was bought from the sales.
 
Kaylum It doesn't cost a fortune if in EU pet passport scheme, they usually transport a load by road/ferry. On TV program about dodgy pups being shipped in to sell from eastern Europe they were selling pedigrees to pet shops for about £200 each so can make profit on that. It wouldn't surprise me if some rescues are dodgy & profitting on this market given that they don't even have to go to effort of breeding pedigrees.
 
Clodagh said:
James Ensor - I admire you coming on to fight your corner, and they look like lovely dogs, but I doubt you will convince many people on this forum of the need to import rescues.

Puppystitch - I rang our dog warden when I last wanted a dog, and she told me the names of the kennels they dropped strays off at. I then rang round them all seeing what they had. I got Sash, my wonderful dog. There was just about every shape, size, colour and age of dog available, it was very sad.
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Thankyou for letting me know (and also to previous poster) - I have always wondered about council pounds.
 
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I think it is different if you are in another country on holiday/working and decide to bring back a dog at your own expense than dogs being imported en masse by 'organisations' some to go into rescue here rather than having homes to go to.
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Me too , but the i sort of have too I brought not a dog but a cat home from Turkey for two years I resisted all the strays but this kittern would not go away so I got took her in the brought her home .
I expect that's what the dog from Iraq another poster mentained was too ,a dog who adopted someone it's hard to walk away when they have decided their yours .
 
Freckles,

You will know as you live in Spain that Podencos are hunting dogs. Most of the dogs that we have brought from Cape Verde have been the similar Podengo, from Portugal. They go completely wild , when they pick up the scent of a squirrel, rabbit or fox. I am sorry to say that they regard cats in the open as prey, also. Maybe they can be trained to accept one in the home, but there would be so many easier breeds.

My point is that most of the dogs in Spain and Portugal are working dog breeds, prized for their ability to hunt down prey to be put in the pot. I know nothing of Romania, but would not be surprised if the dogs, from different breeds. were not also working dogs. This does not make them suitable for a lot of owners.

Podencos and Podengos are wonderful dogs, but a handful to manage and far from cat-friendly. Did anyone explain this to your friend, when she took the puppy?
 
james ensor said:
Freckles,

You will know as you live in Spain that Podencos are hunting dogs. Most of the dogs that we have brought from Cape Verde have been the similar Podengo, from Portugal. They go completely wild , when they pick up the scent of a squirrel, rabbit or fox. I am sorry to say that they regard cats in the open as prey, also. Maybe they can be trained to accept one in the home, but there would be so many easier breeds.

My point is that most of the dogs in Spain and Portugal are working dog breeds, prized for their ability to hunt down prey to be put in the pot. I know nothing of Romania, but would not be surprised if the dogs, from different breeds. were not also working dogs. This does not make them suitable for a lot of owners.

Podencos and Podengos are wonderful dogs, but a handful to manage and far from cat-friendly. Did anyone explain this to your friend, when she took the puppy?
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Yes she knew all about them, and did a lot of research, shes already got a Rhodesian Ridgeback (also a hunting breed so Im told) but was told that is was ok with cats, though it was still a very young pup, to be honest they are not my sort of dog, I prefer the fluffy scruffy mutts.. :D
 
Ridgebacks were used to hunt lion: so a fearless dog. Podengo Medio- the size of a whippet - chase only rabbit. You have a talent with the paint brush.
 
There is some real venom directed here towards people adopting dogs from abroad. Personally I would save it for the idiots who abandon their dogs and expect other people to clean up the mess. I have seen adverts on Horse & Hound for unwanted pet dogs. I still cannot understand how someone can just get rid of an elderley dog who has been with them since a puppy and it's always that old chestnut, the change in personal circumstances excuse. Yes I am sure there are sometimes extenuating circumstances but a lot of the time these dogs are just being treated as disposable. I also have noticed that nobody mentions the people who buy their dogs from breeders without a thought of the dogs languishing in shelters. Quite acceptable to fork out a couple of grand for the latest Tibetan terrier, so haven't they effectively displaced a UK rescue dog?

Has anyone considered that one of the big problems in Spain and France at the moment is the mass abandonment of dogs and cats by British ex pats? Many of the animals in shelters over there have come from that source. They are hot footing it back to the UK and leaving their animals behind, often abandoned in their yards. Luckily the Spanish shelters are rescuing some and aren't considering whether it is a British or Spanish problem. In this case, what is 'their problem' really is 'our problem'. I can't comment on the 'cute Romanian dogs' but can comment on the Spanish dogs. 100,000 galgos are abandoned every year. Before any Daily Mail readers get their knickers in a twist about them all coming here, most are killed - hanged, burned, buried alive, drowned - they aren't worth the cost of a bullet. In fact one town had until recently a lovely statue of a hunter with his dog hanging from a tree - it is an old Spanish tradition.

Now when talking about education and neutering, perhaps consider this. The councils who implement the policies are often run by hunters and bullfighting enthusiasts with absolutely no regard for the dogs or any animal. When people do file law suits the papers go mysteriously missing. Try lecturing a galguero (hunter) and you are liable to face the end of a double barreled shotgun. The rescues out there do their best and a lot have education/neutering programmes in place. If you are interested in the welfare groups who are trying to make a difference in Spain then look at PACMA and ACTIN, groups with a big voice campaigning for changes in animal welfare. For the rescue, what would you do when faced with all of this? Most Spanish people will not adopt hunting dogs, they are not considered pets, they are considered to be vermin. They have no hope whatsoever and nothing is going to change any time soon because the governing bodies do not care, you have a go at changing their mindset, see how far you get! The only hope is to get them homes abroad. A lot go to Germany, Finland, Canada where they do not have a big stray dog problem. If you were out there would you leave them to their horrible fate? That's why a lot of ex pats go out there for a better life, see the horror of dogs being routinely tortured and left to starve and cannot stand by, many have set up their own rescues.

Again I can only comment on Spanish dogs but the rescues out there neuter, test for diseases, vaccinate, home check before they send their dogs over to this country. This is my experience anyway. Big cost, no it costs about £250. Not suitable for a home - mainly the fault of the person taking the dog on - do your research, just because a dog is cute and fluffy doesn't mean it is suitable for you. Journey stressful - yes sure but as stressful as being hung from a tree in an olive grove? - not even close, even if some folk think there are worse things in life than death, depends if it's you suffering the fate doesn't it really? Dog can't cope with change in climate - oh give me a break - they are delighted to get away from the extremes in temperature. Anxious in the home - yes like any rescued dog and then they settle in (if you have chosen sensibly from a reputable rescue and have considered the important things other than if the dog is cute and fluffy!). Again, if anyone is interested in what these rescues do and what they are up against , google Mairena Pererra to see what happens to the dogs in killing stations and have a look at Scooby Medina, a wonderful rescue set up by an amazing man, Fermin Perez, who is a school teacher at the local school.

I can understand some of the anger directed at people who just want a fluffy dog, can't get one in a shelter here so are taking their pick from the Romanian 'cuties'. That shouldn't be what rescue is really about. I have two dogs, one is an English ex racing greyhound from a rescue in this country. He finished racing at five years old and was put into a shelter. He stayed there until he was nine because no one wanted a large, male, black greyhound with a wrist injury. He has been with me for two years and he is a lovely old boy, no problems, yes he limps a bit but so what! My other dog is from Spain, a mixed breed who was tied up and abandoned by British ex pats. A Spanish rescue (run by Spanish people!) saved her. Unfortunately she was consigned forever to a life in the shelter because she is a large black dog and not fluffy and cute. Generally, Spanish people will not adopt a black dog, they apparently bring bad luck and if you are a large black dog, forget it! Although looked after, she was sheltered at the back with the other 'no hopers' and stayed there for five years. She is now with me and it would be hard to find a more gentle, well behaved girl.

So I will continue to re-home dogs from this country and from abroad, specifically the overlooked rescue dogs. I will continue to donate to rescues at home and abroad too. In future I hope to be able to rescue a pound dog locally, perhaps a staffie or staffie cross, because I am not phased by their supposed 'reputation'. I hope to rescue another ex racing greyhound, one of the black overlooked dogs, as the racing greyhounds have a terrible time of it and hopefully another galgo, as I had a galgo previously and fell in love with their gentle nature and temperament. I perfectly understand that it's a drop in the ocean but I will try and do as much as I can to help rescue dogs.

Although I care greatly about the Spanish dogs, I will never turn away from the dogs needing support in this country and as for local support, if ayone lives in Yorkshire and is interested in adopting a 'poundie', a friend of mine has recently adopted a death row dog, a sweet little staffie from www.helpingyorkshirepoundies.co.uk. They have some lovely dogs, again my friend is a sensible lady and has chosen a dog wisely, taking into account the dog's temperament and her lifestyle.
 
Just as a musing, I work in a dog rescue centre, and we unfortunately have some dogs who get returned despite our best efforts to match the homes. How on earth would that be dealt with if you've adopted from kennels abroad?
 
We have not adopted dogs from abroad, but we have rescued dogs abroad and found owners for them throughout Europe and in the country where we rescued them. The ones that have come to Europe have done far better. I would not pretend that they have been easy. It tends to depend upon just how badly they have been mistreated, just as it would in England. If one were rejected as too difficult by a new owner, we would simply have to do the same as we would with an English recue, that is to say find another owner with greater patience and skill

All the dogs found homes in Europe have been very happy. I believe that they know what we have done. Because on one occasion we lost the first dog that we had rescued, when he ran off hunting in his original homeland. When we found him an hour later he was miserable, hang-dog and shrunken.

Of the four starving, thirsty puppies that we rescued from beneath a large carving knife wielded by a German, and left in their native country, one has been run over and killed. Another had puppies of her own at eight months, A third was scared of us until we called him by the name that we knew him by, when he became happy - ironically the name that the new owner had given him. The fourth snarled at us from underneath a box, where she was cowering and we gave up the attempt to befriend her again.

One of the dogs that we rescued was abandoned by an expat - a Catalan, who claimed to have lost it and said he was sure that we would want to keep it. The dog loved him, but he could not be bothered to take the dog back and we were given one excuse after another.

Many of the people that rescue dogs are expats and sadly some abandon them, later. For those with a conscience, there is a dog bus from Andalucia and the Algarve, which will transport a dog to anywhere in England. It is operated by Pet Chauffers, based in Eastbourne.
 
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Calcyle said:
Just as a musing, I work in a dog rescue centre, and we unfortunately have some dogs who get returned despite our best efforts to match the homes. How on earth would that be dealt with if you've adopted from kennels abroad?
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My galgos were adopted from Greyhounds in Need. They are UK based and provide back up for life, dogs must be returned to them if it doesn't work out. They help greyhounds in this country and abroad. My mixed breed girl was from a Spanish shelter but the contact was British and if things didn't work out a temporary foster home was available. I spent a long time discussing her suitability, as she needed to get on with my ex racing grey who is cracking on a bit. I was provided with a full character assessment by the contact who had spent a great deal of time walking her, feeding her etc. Therefore the chances of it not working out were minimal.

I just want to clarify that I am in no way saying that people should rescue from abroad rather than the UK. I can understand why people who work with rescues here are upset that people are just picking cute dogs from photos on the internet rather than supporting local rescues. I can assure you that neither of my dogs are cute, as much as I love them! My ex racer (UK rescue) is the size of a small pony and my mixed breed girl (Spanish rescue) is built like a tank! When the inevitable happens with my elderly grey, I will be adopting another overlooked ex racing grey from a local rescue but in time, yes, I would like another galgo and also, a 'poundie'.

I agree that some of the rescue dogs are not always easy initially. Both my grey and galgo had a few resource guarding issues which disappeared completely after about six months. My galgo had clearly been battered and starved in Spain and he was covered in scars. He was a gentle, loving boy and it broke my heart to see him flinch if you moved your arm or leg suddenly.

I think if people are just picking dogs from pictures and not finding out enough about them and not adopting via a reputable rescue then they are crackers. As for UK rescues making it difficult for people, well why should the dogs be given to just anybody. We had three visits from our rescue when we got our ex racing grey. First visit for an initial assessment, second visit to ensure that he was getting on with my other dog and a third visit a few months later to check he had settled in and everything was going well. I thought that this was great.

Just wanted to say that people can support rescues at home and abroad and not everyone is adopting cute fluffy dogs or not thinking about the UK rescues too.
 
I just want to point out that working bred dogs arent generally for the feint hearted! I have one and hes AMAZING! My dog of a lifetime, but knowing what I know now I wouldnt take on another working bred dog! Mine is very well bred and would have excelled as a rabbiting dog, he doesnt excel as a pet! I spend a lot of time making him think hes working when he isnt. And he was never actually worked as I took him on at 13 weeks ish. Because I got him so young I've been able to work with him to a certain degree but if he'd been actually worked I dont think there is anyway he'd have settled as a pet dog.

Like I said, he genuinely is the love of my life! And he is now in no shape or form a worker, he regularly catches rabbits, rolls them and lets them go to chase again. But thats because at a young age he was taught bite inhibition. But the NEED to run and chase will never ever go! Hes also a complete sod to train! That thing they need to be good workers doesnt make for a malleable, trainable dog.

Dylan got lucky! He ended up with me, and we worked through the kinks, but every single person who met him told me to get rid! I was his 3rd owner in 13 weeks! There are still days now when I could happily throttle him! :D After staffies the next biggest group of dogs in pounds is sight hounds, generally failed workers dumped by numpties when its not as easy as they thought :(
 
Hmm I think someone may be telling porkies! I'm not sure that you do work in a dog rescue centre do you?! Anyway, hopefully at least I have answered your query truthfully and honestly!
 
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I just want to point out that working bred dogs arent generally for the feint hearted! I have one and hes AMAZING! My dog of a lifetime, but knowing what I know now I wouldnt take on another working bred dog! Mine is very well bred and would have excelled as a rabbiting dog, he doesnt excel as a pet! I spend a lot of time making him think hes working when he isnt. And he was never actually worked as I took him on at 13 weeks ish. Because I got him so young I've been able to work with him to a certain degree but if he'd been actually worked I dont think there is anyway he'd have settled as a pet dog.


Having had three sighthounds now, I have had some experience with this breed. We had to watch my female galga, she was as keen as mustard. The male galgo not so much but not keen on small dogs. We were told that our ex racer was keen, the only thing he is keen on is his bed and his dinner! It depends on the dog. You get some fabulously laid back greys who make wonderful pets, some really keen and would like to eat the next door neighbours cat or yorkie, so may be better as a working dog! Good for you for taking on your dog and sticking with it. Bet he is happy be with you.
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