RSPCA calls Grand National deaths of Synchronised and According to Pete "totally unac

priska said:
Please HUMANS have that choice Horses don't and no doubt if racing drivers started dieing there would be an out cry (as indeed there was) a weak agruement ....
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yes, but horses don't have the choice to be ridden at all do they?? we make that decision for them. if horses don't 'consent' to race, we shouldn't make them jump show jumps or go past scary plastic bags out hacking.

please correct me, but if you agree with this, but not with the GN, i think its a bit double-standard.

fwiw, i think the field should be made a bit smaller perhaps - but the smaller the fences, the faster they will go. simples.
 
RSPCA ?? Two words. Jamie Gray (or **** off :mad::mad::mad:)

How is that SF is acceptable but two horse's being killed in the worlds 'most famous' race not??? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

FWIW I do feel though for According To Pete's owner's :(

RUN FREE ALL horse's that cross over to rainbow bridge, be it high profile jumpers such as Synchcronized (sorry chap I can't spell your name :() or the countless nameless animals that are left to suffer human ignorance everyday.

RSPCA get off this band wagon and start dealing with the very real welfare issues this country faces :mad: oh sorry, did those animals have water? Thats ok then?? :mad::mad:
 
just watched the youtube video anyone notice the grey that was loose, he didnt look to good after he landed, havent heard anything about it...about 4.18 into video
 
I haven't read all of the comments on here but I personally do not support the race industry. The horses you see falling at fences are only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the amount of unnecessary deaths in this industry. As a friend of mine who works in the industry once said " breed it, race it, kill it".

The sad fact is that there is such over breeding in order to get 'the right horse' that hundreds of healthy thoroughbreds are PTS every year because they have not made the grade and the trainers have not been able to re home them. I'm sure there are some of you on here whoo will tell me I am wrong and talking rubbish but I am afraid I am not. This is not the 'sport of kings' it just an industry full of fat cats who have fatter wallets who do not care about the horses. It's the yard staff and stable hands I feel for as they do develop genuine relationships with the horses they look after but I am afraid the trainers and hare holders do not give a monkeys unless they are winning.

It's about time someone grew some nuts and put a stop to it. Rant over!
 
priska said:
Please HUMANS have that choice Horses don't and no doubt if racing drivers started dieing there would be an out cry (as indeed there was) a weak agruement ....
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Race drivers used to have a high mortality rate, safety has improved year on year, but there are still a few fatal accidents, any sport has risks.
There is no way to guarantee no deaths that I can think of, accidents happen on the gallops, where no jumps are involved, or extreme speeds, they are being exercised on prepared surfaces designed to allow them to build fitness without injury, but accidents still happen.
 
lottie940 said:
" breed it, race it, kill it".
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Is that any better or worse than 'somebody else breeds it, i ride it, somebody else kills it?'

Over breeding of equine's is rampant regardless of the breed (in general terms). Is it any better or worse that people breed indiscriminantly for their own purposes and so often from wholey unsuitable stock. How many times do you hear of somebody breeding from a mare that has retired due to injury?
 
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Hollyberry said:
Am I missing something here? I find the acceptance and justification by a lot of members on here of the deaths that occurred quite shocking. Have we lost the ability to be horrified by completely unneccessary deaths in the name of sport? How can anyone justify the deaths of two horses on one day in a race in the name of sport with a lot of baying greedy people putting money on whether they will finish. I am disgusted at the forum members who pooh pooh all this as bunny hugging nonsense andbefore I get gunned down by the usual suspects who say lots of horses die in other sports, blah blah, that does not justify what has happened today and in past events. This should now be stopped. It is all about money, not about the horses welfare. shame on you who condone this, you are supposed to be horse lovers.
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I so agree we are meant to be HORSE LOVERS no one can justify this they are trying to hide under a blanket... come on we need to ACT NOW!!!
 
There was a rumour going around that Chicago Grey had died back at the stables, but this was not true. He was the grey who someone mentioned earlier. He caught his foot in the reins, he is back at his stable in Ireland unhurt.
 
Slinkyunicorn said:
No surprise there then:o

I wish they were so vocal about some of the more obvious cases of abuse and neglect that they do nothing about.....:rolleyes::o

The word jumping and bandwagon spring to mind......:rolleyes::o
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Totally agree with this, the RSPCA don't seem to bother with a lot of actual neglect. Don't get me wrong there were a LOT of fallers this year and it was sad to watch - but I don't trust the RSPCA.

Not sure what to make of these deaths, I hate it when a horse has to die, and its horrible that according to pete got taken down by another horse, that's a horrible way to go. Making the fences smaller is just making them go faster and isn't helping at all - if they want to keep the race industry going they need to do more than that. There are more races than just this one, I swear most people only come out because of this race.
 
priska said:
I so agree we are meant to be HORSE LOVERS no one can justify this they are trying to hide under a blanket... come on we need to ACT NOW!!!
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Can you please set-out the grounds and arguements for your campaign for this race to be banned? Who you will be lobbying? Your case studies? Which experts you will be using that may support your case?

With back-up, non-emotive and solid well reasoned points so that people can decide whether they wish to join your campaign.

Thanks.
 
sitch said:
How many who don't support the GN, do support hunting?

Still animals killed in the name of sport?
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I don't mind hunting if they use the animals - but if it's just killing the animal then I don't even think you can justify it. Mind you I'm not anti GN so not sure why I'm answering this. Just think maybe the safety needs to be upped.
 
I'll be honest - if it were me out there I wouldn't have even raced synchronised, he just didn't look happy - the fences were scaring him and he was just really jumpy. The fact he through AP off, I mean a sure sign he was too scared to race? And when he showed him the fences he was like "oh ***** nooo". But that's just my opinion.
 
Guylian said:
I'll be honest - if it were me out there I wouldn't have even raced synchronised, he just didn't look happy - the fences were scaring him and he was just really jumpy. The fact he through AP off, I mean a sure sign he was too scared to race? And when he showed him the fences he was like "oh ***** nooo". But that's just my opinion.
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Oh yes agree with you there. But hindsight is a wonderful thing to have? :(
 
I have not read all of the replies only the last page:pyes being lazy, I would not have run synchronised there was so much talk about his jumping not being up to it and for the national you need a good jumper.Also if my horse had won the gold cup I would have been happy for it to be having an early break.
Although he fell and run on sound for several more fences and is believed to have caused the injury while running loose and falling which is not something that happens alot bad luck.

Weirdly I read when his trainer tried the gold cup national double the horse was killed dont know if that is right.

As for the horse knowing even though it shied and unseated ap it was doing a pretty sedate canter and did not even avoid capture by a photographer and was very relaxed if playing up a little, pity it had not lamed itself but it did not.

I think there was a horse broke its leg on the flat at this meeting that never got a mention there are horses that do this at lots of meetings who get no mention, garde champetre sp? was a lovely horse who had won the xc race at cheltenham several times I think as many as seven he was pts after this years race with his lady jockey back riding never mentioned no outcry and he was getting on a bit,so where are these avid racing commentators.

The saddest part about the national was according to pete being pts his owners bred him kept him at home and he was a real pet the whole village was involved they still owned his dam, the daughter stayed in the toilets for every race as she could not bear to watch and wore the same tweed coat as she did not want to change for bad luck.


The owner of this horse has now said how devastated they are and will never run a horse in the national again,it is truly heartbraking for them and anyone that says the people who run horses do not care should look at this family.
God knows how they feel it is hell to loose any horse even an oldie and with all the backlash it is obvious they are judging themselves and regretting running their lovely boy and is something that will haunt them for a long time.

The winner of this years national also owned one man who was also fatally injured at aintree no one could say he does not love his horses he even mentioned aintree owed him one, he was refering to this incident,he was appaluded for retiring his horse after the national is he a heartless owner no of course not.

There are owners who probably do only think about the money but many do not,it is a high risk sport but at the end of the day more horses are killed in the filed every year. and why dont all the anti national lot pay any attention to any other racing or any kind of animal REAL cruelty as there is alot more of that going on.
 
ticobay831 said:
just watched the youtube video anyone notice the grey that was loose, he didnt look to good after he landed, havent heard anything about it...about 4.18 into video
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That was Chicago Grey. His bridle had come over his head and he just stood on the reins when he landed. He's fine and even though there was a rumour going around on Twitter saying he had died he's perfectly fine.
 
Guylian said:
I'll be honest - if it were me out there I wouldn't have even raced synchronised, he just didn't look happy - the fences were scaring him and he was just really jumpy. The fact he through AP off, I mean a sure sign he was too scared to race? And when he showed him the fences he was like "oh ***** nooo". But that's just my opinion.
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Sorry, he spooked at the starter tape, not at the fences.
He may have been suffering from "over-training" otherwise known as "going over the top" due to have been kept at the top of his training peak for too long, who knows, McCoy and Jonjo, possibly, but it seemed as though the injury was a freak injury. I am still unclear whether he fractured his hind leg before the jump, or on landing, or after running loose for several fences.
Having worked in racing, I can tell you that it can get quite tense for trainer, rider and groom before any race, lots of tiny things happen, which could be potentially "race threatening" but most times it all goes OK.
 
Miss L Toe said:
Sorry, he spooked at the starter tape, not at the fences.
He may have been suffering from "over-training" otherwise known as "going over the top" due to have been kept at the top of his training peak for too long, who knows, McCoy and Jonjo, possibly, but it seemed as though the injury was a freak injury. I am still unclear whether he fractured his hind leg before the jump, or on landing, or after running loose for several fences.
Having worked in racing, I can tell you that it can get quite tense for trainer, rider and groom before any race, lots of tiny things happen, which could be potentially "race threatening" but most times it all goes OK.
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When I said fences, I was referring to when McCoy showed him the fence and he seemed unhappy, not what spooked him in the first place - sorry for the confusion.
 
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