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Hmmm, I think the RSPCA has way too much power, I recently wrote to the goverment, asking for the ban of circus animals. I was told that a formal complaint had to be made to the RSPCA and then investigated by them. I later watched a video and read a statement, that suggested that allegedly (sp) the GreatBritish Circus has a RSPCA inspector on it's payroll and therefore the abuse is allowed to continue. It doesn't suprise me, you get bent coppers. I know this is a bit irrelevant to the post....
 
Good god yes!
Personal feelings aside,what we need is a section of the police force for animals,not a charity who pretends to be an animal police that has no power.
 
Although the organisation often behaves as is it were an official or statutory body, the 'power' the RSPCA has is negligible. As a Charity, the Society uses its perceived standing to foster the impression it acts autonomously, when in fact it has advisory powers only.

Dangerously, though, the official power the RSPCA seeks is enormous. I say 'dangerously' because power to bring official prosecutions should rest only with those who have no political stance and can thus act neutrally; while local Branches maintain their excellent animal welfare work, the Society's head office is heavily involved with political action, based increasingly on animal rights philosophies.

Strong enforcement of animal welfare is important; the RSPCA is not the organisation to implement that enforcement.
 
Well said Hiccough, bit like the Donkey Sanctuary it seems too.(the 'power' thing, they lack it but act it)

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Interestingly, Channel 5 News is currently seeking views from people who have had bad dealings with the RSPCA.
The RSPCA's craze for power has also extended to its own FaceBook page which has been all but hijacked by concerned animal keepers asking (unanswered) questions regarding the Stamford Horses, lost pets being euthanazed within 1 hour of being in the 'care' of the RSPCA, and the RSPCA's decision to kill a number of German Shepherd Dogs using a Deadbolt Gun!
Surprisingly, the RSPCA have declined to answer many of the allegations put to them and, where they have commented - let's say they've twisted the truth!

This has resulted in many of the people who asked perfectly reasonable questions, being banned from the site or having posts deleted.

Remember, the RSPCA is a charity with MANY millions in the bank. It should be transparent and accountable, yet they find it perfectly acceptable to blank any request for information.

Please feel free to have your say;
http://www.facebook.com/RSPCA#/RSPCA?v=wall&viewas=1162376310
 
Have you watched the channel 4 news video on the link? that poor cat with only half a face? just eyes and ears left and a great mess of red smashed up face below. Those cruelly thin horses and the one belonging to the old man with untrated wounds? So, whats the answer? not let the RSPCA in and let these animals go on suffering? Personally, after watching the film i think they dont have enough power! they should be able to have access to all premises with animals ,homes,farms,shops,stables etc. Just because someone is old it doesnt mean they can have a horse and neglect it and its ok. Just watch the channel4 film, would you like for those poor animals to suffer because the RSPCA cant do anything? or is it because you dont care for your animals well so have something to hide?
 
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or is it because you dont care for your animals well so have something to hide?

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You arrogant, pompous individual. You obviously either have had no dealings with the RSPCA or you work for them!

For your information, I'm involved with equine welfare and there isn't a week that passes where I don't hear some story or other about RSPCA personnel 'fooling' people into thinking they have extraordinary legal powers.

If your happy to allow any uniformed person unauthorised entry to your property on the pretence there is an animal welfare issue - fine!
But, please do your research and get your facts right before firing off two barrels in the future.
 
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You know, people are allowed to disagree with you. Just sayin'.

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Disagreement yes, I can cope with!

But to come up with "..... or is it because you dont care for your animals well so have something to hide?", is both derogatory and insulting.
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QR something funny happened to me yesterday, a RSPCA door knocker came to my door and I said I wouldn't donate, that I donate to WHW/Dogs trust/ cats protection etc because to bad dealings and the fact that they are hypocrits and he just looked at me like he'd heard it all before, said sorry and left! Must be getting it a lot!
 
I still dont understand why anyone is bothered by the power [ or lack of] the RSPCA has. If an RSPCA officer wants to come to my yard and inspect my horses or other animals, at any time,day or night, thats ok. I have nothing to hide. Likewise if a Police Officer wants to come into my place and look for stolen goods or drugs ,for example, they would be welcomed in without a warrant. They are all only trying to do the best for people and animals. Ditto the child protection people [sorry, i dont know if thats the NSPCC or Social services.] I have nothing to fear from any of them. BUT I do want protection from cruelty for people and animals and if thats means access at all times by these charities/police etc then thats ok. I just cant see how any animal keeper should think otherwise.
This is a discussion group after all, I think the RSPCA do a fabulous job.
 
As it happens, so do I - most of the time. They do a hellishly difficult job and in my opinion almost everytime they do the best they can.

The police - well yes someone did suggest they should take over. But they have a lot to do as well (speaking as an ex-coppers daughter) and the chances of getting the funding for some kind of special animal branch is not going to happen in this climate. Although many forces will have specialist equine officers who will deal with equine theft etc.

The RSPCA don't have any more power than any other charity does and they don't take 'official' prosecutions forward - they take private prosecutions forward at their own expense. I have said this before but they really are damned if they do and damned if they don't - they can never please all the people, all the time.

Re their political acitvity - any charity can campaign politically and and lots do. The Charity Commisson website tells you what a charity can and cannot do. Basically - political with a small 'p' is fine, party political is not. That's the law, and it applies to every charity in this country.

And no - I don't work for them... before anyone says that must be the only reason I am defending them! And I'm not here to say that they are perfect and never ever make a mistake. But I think a debate can only work with balanced opinions on either side. And I'm sorry, but this does look like a witch-hunt - and I'm not comfortable with that.
 
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So, whats the answer? not let the RSPCA in and let these animals go on suffering? Personally, after watching the film i think they dont have enough power! they should be able to have access to all premises with animals ,homes,farms,shops,stables etc. Just because someone is old it doesnt mean they can have a horse and neglect it and its ok.

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Do you really want to see a day when a charity that wont even answer simple,direct questions about their choices in cases the power to come into YOUR home,day or night because they feel like checking up?
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Just watch the channel4 film, would you like for those poor animals to suffer because the RSPCA cant do anything? or is it because you dont care for your animals well so have something to hide?

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*sigh* Diddnt take long for that one to be trotted out,did it?
I have nothing to hide,but I dont want to give away my civil liberties to a bunch of pompus a holes either thankyou.
 
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Do you really want to see a day when a charity that wont even answer simple,direct questions about their choices in cases the power to come into YOUR home,day or night because they feel like checking up?
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You think they have time to go checking up on people just because they feel like it???!!!!! No because someone has reported that person for welfare issues, that call maybe malicious but the officer isn't going to know that without knocking on the door and finding out!!
 
Fine,bad choice of words,it's been abloody long fay
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but you knwo what I ment.

Even the police need good grounds to get a warrent,the poster would like the RSPCA to be above that.
It's for animals after all and anyone who treats theirs right wont mind an impromtu inspection...will they?
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Since the one thing we can all agree on is that the RSPCA are constantly seeking mroe power,lets just think over the phrase "power corrupts......."
 
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Since the one thing we can all agree on is that the RSPCA are constantly seeking mroe power,lets just think over the phrase "power corrupts......."

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Um - I don't acutally agree with that either, sorry... I think they seek improvements to animal welfare law but they are hardly alone in that....
 
I think our animal rescue system in the UK is poor. If any of you have watched animal cops houston then you'll see how good animal rescue organisations can be. They have so much power, most of them are very highly qualified and have FULL support of the police. If anything the RSPCA needs more power.
 
I Think the animal charity's do a good job, BUT, I had the scottish spca to me back in april of this year. I bought a TB mare through the winter she was straight out of racing and when I went to see her she looked like a hat rack (I paid £500 for her) so you can imagine the state of her! I bought her there and then (only saw her standing in the stable) so anyway I took her home fattened her up through january ,feb, march as best I could, we had really harsh winter up here in scotland! Finally we had some great weather so I decided to take the mares rug off, she looked better but still needed more improvement. After we took her rugs off I went back to my yard to do evening feeds and surprise surprise there was an sspca officer looking for me, my heart sank! I should add at this point the mare was in the field with my other 3 broodmares. Anyway to cut a long story short the officer was not interested in any of the horses backround since I bought her, didn't want to see any hard feed that was prepared for her etc etc. Basically she accused me of neglecting one horse and made me out to be the guilty one, so my vet kindly rushed to the yard and then the woman decided to listen to my vet even though I had told her everything about the horse as I could. Me and my partner lost sleep, couldn't eat, got really depressed. It never went to court or anything but my vet had to give her a 2 month update just for her notes. It was the worse time of my life and For the sspca (who I always donate money to) To make me feel like the bad person and tarnishing my reputation in my area is disgusting and I will never give them a single bloody penny ever again! Y don't they go and spend OUR donations on finding real animal abusers!!!!! PS sorry its so long but just wanted to share my story as I have no faith in the rspca or equivilant any more.
 
I have very little time for the RSPCA as a lot of you will know. Local level branches don't seem to bad but a lot of the Inspectors I have encountered are little more than tin pot Hitler's.

I had an inspector turn up at the yatd one day last year accusing me of keeping a couple of horses that were too skinny...Erm hello...but did you look at the sign on the gate...It says BANK END EQUINE RESCUE!!! If they were in fab condition when they arrived they wouldn't be here would they????
 
Using ones brain & simple common sense immediately come to mind BER!
I often wonder how these animal welfare 'experts' get past the interview stage, never mind get a job!
 
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Have you watched the channel 4 news video on the link? that poor cat with only half a face? just eyes and ears left and a great mess of red smashed up face below. Those cruelly thin horses and the one belonging to the old man with untrated wounds? So, whats the answer? not let the RSPCA in and let these animals go on suffering? Personally, after watching the film i think they dont have enough power!

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Exactly how I feel
 
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I have very little time for the RSPCA as a lot of you will know. Local level branches don't seem to bad but a lot of the Inspectors I have encountered are little more than tin pot Hitler's.

I had an inspector turn up at the yatd one day last year accusing me of keeping a couple of horses that were too skinny...Erm hello...but did you look at the sign on the gate...It says BANK END EQUINE RESCUE!!! If they were in fab condition when they arrived they wouldn't be here would they????

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So what are you saying, they should ignore any proerty with thin, neglected animals?


If I was running a sanctuary I would actually be grateful that someone else out there recognised animal suffering! I expect after you explained your operation as a sanctuary they left, and didn't confiscate your animals?

I don't know. Personally I am all or helping animals no matter what. Your own (not meaning you personally BER) little pompous self righteous/importance issues don't matter, what DOES matter is that animals get help if they need it. If your animals don't need help then good for you, you should feel grateful there is a body out there checking up on you and making sure things are ok.

When people say "hi, how are you" I don't fly off the handle. For goodness sake, just be polite. WHY is there no manners in this country?
 
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