RSPCA local branch to close due to lack of funds.

Why has the RSPCA singled out the hunt people they when you look at it are very few and killed very few foxes over many years, when we all realise that many animals of all types are being ill/badly treated each week, so why have they wasted so much good money on 1 Hunt. Me personally would like the hunt back as there are so many foxes with mange round here and it's horrible to see them so thin,no hair and skin and bone and all they do it sit and scratch themselves raw and these are last years cubs.:(:(:(:(
 
Moomince Pie said:
Horserider, some people are just too blinkered and small minded to even use their brains and realise that the majority of the day to day prosecutions taking place will simply never reach the press because they either aren't controversial enough, or they aren't high profile.

It always makes me laugh the way anti-RSPCA vehemently argue that the RSPCA only take high profile cases! :rolleyes: It doesn't for one second occur to them that those cases reach the papers because they ARE high profile!
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Not blinkered at all Moomin.....in fact I would say YOUR job makes YOU blinkered to the faults that lay within YOUR employers organisation.
Cairo Farrier spend EVERY penny on the welfare of the horses and ponies in need of care. They fund the training of farriers to continue the good work.
Same applies to EMW, and PFK.
They are WORTHY charities/organisations that slog day and night to ensure the animals they care for GET the care they need.
Hense why they get my support and my money :rolleyes:
 
An interesting post M_M, though if we are to apply any justice to the article offered, we have to consider that it is the opinion of a journalist, which has been laced with fact.

One paragraph caught my eye; and whether Richard Ryder actually holds the view which I've quoted below, or whether the writer has put his own slant on the argument, isn't too clear. I'd like to know the answer, because if Ryder actually believes and supports the quote, then the man is living in a dream world. To suggest that animals and humans share the same moral standing, is complete and utter rubbish. To consider that animals act in an ethical, or even a charitable manner, is quite wrong. They don't. With the odd possible exception, from the very odd possible animal, then animals don't have the power to reason or to use logic, and as such they don't have the one quality (sic!) that humans portray, and which separates us from the animal kingdom, which is intelligence.

"The doctrine of animal rights, developed by Dr Richard Ryder, who is on the RSPCA Council, regards human beings as morally identical to “other animals”,
.......".

If Ryder actually agrees with and supports the above quote, then he's wrong. Very wrong.

Alec.
 
My question... If someone is keeping an animal in a way in which is likely to cause suffering, and despite advice, assistance, aid offered, refuses to alter the way in which it is kept, and baring in mind, due to the 'mild severity' of the offence of hunting in comparison to the costs involved in bringing it, the cps rejected taking the case. Who then should take the afore mentioned case in order to improve that animals life??? Whilst the rspca 's decisions to some may be questionable, until anyone else is willing to take the costs of a prosecution on, we have to support the only one that will..... Also bare in mind that the RSPCA's prosecution success rate is around 98%, a figure the cps aren't anywhere near.....
 
Simsar said:
They were not ''found guilty'' they pleaded guilty because of the cost of defending themselves, and cost is something the RSPCA should have thought about when bringing the convictions, this is the exact reason that whenever I do give to charity I am selective and choose one which I KNOW where and what it will be spent on, or just donate my time!
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This is so common these days not just in the hunting world. There are many out there who can not afford to defend themselves.

Justice is blind and often there are not enough pound signs to be able to remove her blindfold.

I am not in favour of the RSPCA. I had a friend many years ago who's home bred horse was very sick. It was under veternary care and they were reported to the RSPCA by a concerned member of the public. Despite everything being done for the horse and the horse recovering they still tried to take it away! WHY??? The horse was being very well looked after by the owner, the vet reported that had it not recieved the attention and care supplied by the owner it would have died. The vet reported that they could not have been called out sooner as the horse did not show any symptoms and as it was they were just called because the horse started looking a bit off colour and wasn't quite themselves but no obvious signs of anything wrong just a gut feeling...

Since then and after seeing how hard my friend worked for her horse and the added distress caused by the RSPCA and their tactics I have been very anti them. They really do seem to have lost their way and in many cases are just going about getting peoples backs up rather than doing the animals any good.
 
competitiondiva said:
Foolsgold has pretty much summed it up there. If you donate to the national RSPCA you help to find inspectors attending your calls about situations requiring intervention. It also pays for emergency veterinary care of stray animals.

Not sure about that, a friend of mine found a staffie in a terrible state. She thought it was already dead when she picked it up. She drove to the local RSPCA centre which she visited regurlarly giving them tins of feed and money, they refused to take the dog and told her to take it to the police!! She did take it to the police who also refused to take it as it was 'not causing a problem'. They even suggested she put it back on the street as then they would be called to pick it up as it would be an obstuction to traffic!! In the end she took it to Many Tears who took it in and managed to get it rehomed eventually after a lot of medical intervention.
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My cat died at the weekend, he had been diagnosed with a serious heart complaint about a year ago & did well with a good quality of life up to then. Last night I tentatively looked at cat re-homing centres in my area including the RSPCA site. What I read about their terms & conditions (for cats didn't look at dogs) may explain why they have so many animals backed up in the system.
You have to have a home visit & obviously meet a pretty tough critera but as well as that they want to do spot checks yearly. The thing that worried me the most & means that I will not be going to them to get another cat is you have to sign something to say that if you can't keep the cat in the future due to changes in your health or circumstances you have to give it back to them. Personally I would rather pass it on to a relation or trusted friend given their record in putting healthy animals to sleep. It seems it will never truly your cat.
 
Honeylight said:
My cat died at the weekend, he had been diagnosed with a serious heart complaint about a year ago & did well with a good quality of life up to then. Last night I tentatively looked at cat re-homing centres in my area including the RSPCA site. What I read about their terms & conditions (for cats didn't look at dogs) may explain why they have so many animals backed up in the system.
You have to have a home visit & obviously meet a pretty tough critera but as well as that they want to do spot checks yearly. The thing that worried me the most & means that I will not be going to them to get another cat is you have to sign something to say that if you can't keep the cat in the future due to changes in your health or circumstances you have to give it back to them. Personally I would rather pass it on to a relation or trusted friend given their record in putting healthy animals to sleep. It seems it will never truly your cat.
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You will find this with ALL rescues, to prevent the animals being 'sold' on and being passed from piller to post. At the end of the day you are adopting the animal, not buying it.
 
Crugeran Celt said:
competitiondiva said:
Foolsgold has pretty much summed it up there. If you donate to the national RSPCA you help to find inspectors attending your calls about situations requiring intervention. It also pays for emergency veterinary care of stray animals.

Not sure about that, a friend of mine found a staffie in a terrible state. She thought it was already dead when she picked it up. She drove to the local RSPCA centre which she visited regurlarly giving them tins of feed and money, they refused to take the dog and told her to take it to the police!! She did take it to the police who also refused to take it as it was 'not causing a problem'. They even suggested she put it back on the street as then they would be called to pick it up as it would be an obstuction to traffic!! In the end she took it to Many Tears who took it in and managed to get it rehomed eventually after a lot of medical intervention.
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If this dog was in truth collapsed and near death (would assume this as she thought it was already dead) then both the rspca centre and police's reaction should have been to immediately ask your friend to take it to a vet. No matter what time of day. If both places didn't give this reaction, then I'd expect the dog wasn't in as dire need of veterinary care and therefore would fall under your local councils remit for stray dogs.
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Unfortunately and I really do quote from first hand experience and I DO know that each branch has different criteria, but we have found that the RSPCA are, shall we say, not so staffie friendly and have been known to take one dog and leave the stafford behind.
 
Question.

Is there a way I can find out if my local RSPCA centre is locally funded or nationally funded?

If it's local then I shall ignore the name on the tin and spend some more time and money helping them out.

I have no doubt that grassroutes animal helpers at places like the RSPCA are honest and are doing their best for the animals. They may be a little strange (We had major issues with a weirdo at one well known horse charity, and I worked with a couple at a wildlife charity!) but they're doing the right thing.

This way I can ensure I'm not spending money on needless prosecutions and publicity stunts and can help animals :)
 
Serenity087 said:
Question.

Is there a way I can find out if my local RSPCA centre is locally funded or nationally funded?

If it's local then I shall ignore the name on the tin and spend some more time and money helping them out.

I have no doubt that grassroutes animal helpers at places like the RSPCA are honest and are doing their best for the animals. They may be a little strange (We had major issues with a weirdo at one well known horse charity, and I worked with a couple at a wildlife charity!) but they're doing the right thing.

This way I can ensure I'm not spending money on needless prosecutions and publicity stunts and can help animals :)
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From what has been previously posted, it would appear that all the branches are self funded but to take into consideration that each branch has its own criteria and rules. If you want to help out animal rescue and really know what is going on, perhaps ask on here for recommended local ones who need help? I know they all need help but some might be a better option than others!
 
Serenity087 said:
Question.

Is there a way I can find out if my local RSPCA centre is locally funded or nationally funded?

If it's local then I shall ignore the name on the tin and spend some more time and money helping them out.

I have no doubt that grassroutes animal helpers at places like the RSPCA are honest and are doing their best for the animals. They may be a little strange (We had major issues with a weirdo at one well known horse charity, and I worked with a couple at a wildlife charity!) but they're doing the right thing.

This way I can ensure I'm not spending money on needless prosecutions and publicity stunts and can help animals :)
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Out of interest, do you feel that all prosecutions are needless?
 
Luci07 what serenity has asked is not what other rescues there are but whether their local shelter is nationally funded or not. There are only about 4 nationally funded I believe, and they are big shelters. Which might give you an idea whether it is or not. Otherwise pop in and ask. Whether you want to support neglect case animals, or just help with the animals at your local centre. Both imo are deserving causes and both need support to continue. So if your feeling is that you don't like the national rspca, don't let that stop you helping your local branch who also need help desperately to cope with the excess of animals we have in the UK.
 
Honeylight said:
My cat died at the weekend, he had been diagnosed with a serious heart complaint about a year ago & did well with a good quality of life up to then. Last night I tentatively looked at cat re-homing centres in my area including the RSPCA site. What I read about their terms & conditions (for cats didn't look at dogs) may explain why they have so many animals backed up in the system.
You have to have a home visit & obviously meet a pretty tough critera but as well as that they want to do spot checks yearly. The thing that worried me the most & means that I will not be going to them to get another cat is you have to sign something to say that if you can't keep the cat in the future due to changes in your health or circumstances you have to give it back to them. Personally I would rather pass it on to a relation or trusted friend given their record in putting healthy animals to sleep. It seems it will never truly your cat.
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http://www.gumtree.com/p/pets/snoop...-and-neutered/113556734#.UPUuMo9dS0g.facebook
 
Honeylight said:
My cat died at the weekend, he had been diagnosed with a serious heart complaint about a year ago & did well with a good quality of life up to then. Last night I tentatively looked at cat re-homing centres in my area including the RSPCA site. What I read about their terms & conditions (for cats didn't look at dogs) may explain why they have so many animals backed up in the system.
You have to have a home visit & obviously meet a pretty tough critera but as well as that they want to do spot checks yearly. The thing that worried me the most & means that I will not be going to them to get another cat is you have to sign something to say that if you can't keep the cat in the future due to changes in your health or circumstances you have to give it back to them. Personally I would rather pass it on to a relation or trusted friend given their record in putting healthy animals to sleep. It seems it will never truly your cat.
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I don't see a problem with this policy, its very responsible. Surely, its better that they check the home rather than letting it go anywhere ? I had RSPCA home checks for dogs I've rehomed, and the inspectors were really nice and down to earth. Couple of friends have had cats, again, without difficulty, after having home checks.
I think most good rescues are the same and will request that animals are sent back to them if the person can no longer keep them.
 
Moomin1 said:
Out of interest, do you feel that all prosecutions are needless?
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No, but I do feel they're barking up the wrong tree with some of them.

They seem to prosecute people who can't defend themselves rather than people who actually need a slap on the wrist.

Like the jackass who killed 41 sheep at Ramsgate by ordering the lorry be unloaded there and then despite the lack of facilities for it.

Oh wait... he worked for the RSPCA... he gets away with it!
 
Serenity087 said:
No, but I do feel they're barking up the wrong tree with some of them.

They seem to prosecute people who can't defend themselves rather than people who actually need a slap on the wrist.

Like the jackass who killed 41 sheep at Ramsgate by ordering the lorry be unloaded there and then despite the lack of facilities for it.

Oh wait... he worked for the RSPCA... he gets away with it!
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Well the DEFRA vets must have been jackasses too then!

https://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/statement/0113_5
 
Dobiegirl, if they have notified the RSPCA shelter she was from. I fully expect the arrangement is, 'we are full and cannot accept her in right now, if you can find a home we would be happy to home check it to meet our criteria and if passed, have the cat adopted with them.
 
competitiondiva said:
Dobiegirl, if they have notified the RSPCA shelter she was from. I fully expect the arrangement is, 'we are full and cannot accept her in right now, if you can find a home we would be happy to home check it to meet our criteria and if passed, have the cat adopted with them.
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You are assumming this is the case but you dont know and neither do I but the fact she is advertising on Gumtree hardly inspires confidence. I would have thought and hoped if they were full they would have offered to put the cat on their site which is what most rescues do to safeguard the animal.
 
It saddens me to see that so many people take notice of articles written by, lets face it a newspaper that in its history; has been accused of warmongering, was friends with Adolf Hitler and a supporter of the fascists party. Perhaps instead of pointing fingers and quoting hearsay some of you should volunteer to dog walk one of the millions at a Center for an hour a week, (all those animals the RSPCA destroys remember) oh and all those staffs they don't take lucie07. Or ask to spend a day with an Inspector and get first hand experience of seeing the animals behind closed doors maybe then people will be qualified to judge.
I'm sure the RSPCA welcomes an investigation, which the charity commission could do at any time. Or people could just look online at the accounts and reports that HAVE to be open and accessible. Perhaps people could remember that the RSPCA don't just "take" animals, they are either signed over legally or seized by the police only on the advice of a vet in accordance with the law. Which the RSPCA then take responsibility for including paying the bills. Wouldn't it be nice for the RSPCA to have a few spare kennels or stables free instead of paying thousands of pounds in private boarding every week? And before you ask I am country girl, who has enjoyed hunting in the past and thinks drag hunting is a fabulous alternative to the tradition of chasing an animal around the countryside. It was also a tradition to burn witches. A suggestion would be to stop reading the vile tabloids and get some perspective.
 
MillyMoomie said:
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.. And before you ask I am country girl, who has enjoyed hunting in the past and thinks drag hunting is a fabulous alternative to the tradition of chasing an animal around the countryside. ....... A suggestion would be to stop reading the vile tabloids and get some perspective.
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So you've previously enjoyed hunting, but now you don't. :confused: Explain to us what aspect actually brought you enjoyment in the first place, and explain to us just how you reached your road to Damascus. ;)

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
So you've previously enjoyed hunting, but now you don't. :confused: Explain to us what aspect actually brought you enjoyment in the first place, and explain to us just how you reached your road to Damascus. ;)

Alec.
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It's called having a change of heart Alec! I used to hate sprouts. I now like them. I used to love liver and onions, it now turns my stomach.;)
 
"Road to Damascus" now now Alec no need to be patronising, it's not gentlemanly.
I enjoy jumping across country on a good horse with friends. I see no issue with legal hunting or why things should now change.
 
Moomin1 said:
It's called having a change of heart Alec! I used to hate sprouts. I now like them. I used to love liver and onions, it now turns my stomach.;)
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Alec Swan said:
So you've previously enjoyed hunting, but now you don't. :confused: Explain to us what aspect actually brought you enjoyment in the first place, and explain to us just how you reached your road to Damascus. ;)

Alec.
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The question was, "Explain to us what aspect actually brought you enjoyment in the first place". I'm assuming now that you and MillyMoomie are one and the same person, and so I also wonder how you previously enjoyed watching animals being tortured and torn asunder, but then, all of a sudden, you didn't. A strange stance of yours.

Alec.
 
I can assure you MooMin1 and I are not the same person.
A similar user name though I grant you!
Previously enjoyed watching animals being tortured are your words not mine. Please see my above reply to your question.
 
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