RSPCA PTS half the animals they rescue

misterjinglejay said:
I agree with this - there are fates far worse than death for all of us. Although not too sure about using a bolt gun on a dog - surely an injection is more humane, but probably more expensive.
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thats what im thinking?!

bolt gun?! thats horrible :(


injection i always thought they put them to sleep by....how ignorant i am :(

poor dogs.
 
Do they use a bolt gun though? I doubt it. There was a pic of a bolt gun in the mail article but there was nothing to suggest it was actually used to euthanise dogs.
 
what are people's issues with a bolt gun?

probably worth nothing that presumably as well as cheaper there is a lot less risk to the operator.
 
I too think it would be better to relax some of the silly rules and get far more dogs rehomed. When I inquired it was a nightmare of silly rules I had to preselect a dog from the web page and book a viewing at 3.30 on the dot every day if you were lucky you got to meet the dog in question. I had a home check done and was refused because although we have a 6ft fenced garden, are at home all day everyday, were dog owners for more than 50 years, live 20 yards from a footpath through a field we were deemed unsuitable because we had carpeted our new house in cream carpets because we had a golden retriever and it didnt show her hair so much. After she died I thought a nice rescue would be perfect as we are older. It was cheaper and easier for me to buy my labrador pup who is now a wonderful and easy to live with 2 year old. We went for a black or chocolate one but came home coincidentally with a yellow one so her hair doesnt show on the carpets either
 
PoppyAnderson said:
Do they use a bolt gun though? I doubt it. There was a pic of a bolt gun in the mail article but there was nothing to suggest it was actually used to euthanise dogs.
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s4sugar said:
They have undeniably used a bolt gun on occasion.
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The Captive Bolt Pistol is the most certain, the fastest, and the most humane way of ending the life of a canine. It's a simple 3/8" rod which is driven into the brain, and it's propelled (generally), by a .22 blank cartridge.

Searching for a vein, especially in an animal which has minuscule (or collapsing) arteries, is all so often, a time consuming and stressful business, for both the animal and the administrator.

When we consider the humane end for an animal, we really should put aside our own sensibilities, and consider what's best for the animal. If we're to argue that it is kinder to the animal to perform the act, by lethal injection, then in reality, we're only considering our selves, and the fact that a sanitised and "clean" end will make us feel better about ourselves. I'm rarely insistent, but on this point I'm right.

Alec.
 
The bolt gun is only humane if its used by someone who knows how to use it, having stood by a prone badger whilst an RSPCA officer tried to dispatch several times was testament to this. Having worked at a hunt kennels for many years Ive witnessed the experienced kennel huntsman dispatch sheep etc and it was quick and humane.
 
I hate them for the uselessness of them in dealing with cases of neglected horses and dogs.....

I have loads of examples from work but here is 1... (0bvs cant give too much detail but you will get the general idea)

Go into a house for drugs search, oocupant not there 1 dog running around house poor state very thin. House which was covered in poo no food no water another dog locked in bathroom. Cant get into bathroom. Get occupant to attend from new address. Call dog section. Occupant attends lets dog out of bathroom in a very very poor state smell is horrendous again no food and water. Occupant states he comes ONCE A WEEK to feed and water dogs and this is ok as when they will get hungry they will EAT THEIR OWN ***** as this is what dogs do!!!

Dog section fella near in tears at state of dog, occupant doesnt want dog in new flat as it will mess the carpets and doesnt want it in dog shelter as its 'not fair on them' to which I say they be better PTS than living in these horrendous conditions....

Call RSPCA for their 'expert' opinion to try and arrest/prosecute for cruetly to animal...... RSPCA wont even ATTEND!!!!! Too busy / are we sure / surly dog woud be dead if this was happening!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I MEAN WHAT!!! WHAT!!!! WHAT use is that!?!?!!?

RSPCA dont attend occupant puts dog back in bathroom and drives off to ew flat?????

BAH!!!!! Have loads of stories like this... mostly horses some dogs some cats... unless they have Rolf Harris and a TV crew with them they arent interested!!!!!

The P me right off :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: NO WAY I would ever give them a penny again (refer to previous posts!!)
 
That is shocking Springy, but not in the least surprising! You just have to look at threads on here about RSPCA and the majority of people don't have a good word to say for them. I'm not a fan of the Daily Fail but for once I hope a lot of people read that article and just maybe the RSPCA will make a few changes in how the operate. As I have said before they seem to forget that the P in their name stands for prevention.:(
 
I don't have an issue per se about animals being PTS if they cannot be rehomed - clearly there are far too many abandoned animals there. What I DO have issue with is them removing animals form homes they deem 'unworthy' and THEN having the animal PTS when it is perfectly healthy.

Even on some of those TV programmes following them they seem to PTS an awful lot of animals for no real reason. One years agao I still recall when they rmeoved a rottie and another dog from a council house. I do not recall the reasons (maybe noise-related) but, although ok not living in a palace, both dogs were healthy and non-aggressive. The family that owned them had kids who clearly loved those dogs and they were distraught when the dogs were taken. What dod the RSPCA end up doing? Yep, that's right they had the dogs PTS! There was no reason given and quite frankly, I was disgusted back then. Those dogs were well fed, healthy and kept by a loving family, it was ridiculous.

Another case they removed a 'feral' cat from a house after the owners had left and left the cats there. One of the cats had thankfully for it) already bolted when the RSPCA arrived so there was just one left. They caught it, said there and then it was too feral and would not be able to be rehomed and they put it down there and then!! Dispicable. Again, the cat itself was in good general health and i am pretty sure plenty of 'feral' cats are rehomed fine.

They just make me mad.

We've called our RSPCA centre (before we knew better) about an abandoned dog that appeared on the street. They response we got was "We don't do dogs at this centre". Helpful as always!
 
Springy,

you don't surprise me, but their complacency is nothing new. In the late 1960s, when I worked at the Battersea Dog's Home, we were occasionally called out to deal with difficult and or dangerous dogs. Most were simplicity itself. The odd one wasn't!! ;)

Two of us went to South London, where the Police were in attendance, as were our heroes (:rolleyes:), and an elderly lady couldn't be contacted and there were 5 Alsations (!) in the house, and no one fancied having a go at them. To cut a long story short, the owner was already dead, and had been for about a week. The dogs hadn't eaten her, surprisingly, and considering that they hadn't been fed for a while, they didn't actually look too bad.

To cut a long story short, one of the dogs meant it, but the other 4 were all talk. It took an hour, from memory, but we got around the hard-case, we got the others on leads, and when we gave the Police the OK, the door opened, and in strode an rspca superintendent (they had them in those days ;)), he took one whiff of the decomposing lady, and turned away! The film crew behind him weren't any more keen, and they all "Done a runner". :D

When we got outside, our favourite charity said that they'd take over from here on in, except that we could keep the difficult dog. "Would we ****"! My mate Jock sent them packing, and I suspect that somewhere it's still on film. All 5 of the dogs returned to Battersea with us, though when we returned we got a bit of a tongue in cheek *******ing from our Governor.

As a foot note; the serious gsd bitch was deemed to hot to re-home, the BDH wouldn't allow me to have her, and as she was so difficult, but didn't seem to mind me too much, I was allotted the job of putting the poor bitch to sleep. I suppose that the BDH hierarchy were right. I often think of her, and the elderly woman who so obviously adored her.

I've rather wandered away from the theme of all this. At the grass roots level, mostly, the rspca are staffed by a bunch of well meaning incompetents. The rspca as a body are run by a disgraceful collection of accountants (is that the word?).

Alec.
 
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Ive never heard any good stories...

We went to rehome a dog I work shifts and hubby works outside on a racing yard and schooling an breaking and the dogs usually go to work with him.... the dogs arent left very often olny if we go out for evening or go to asda etc but it isnt the norm as someone is usually in our we are out with the horses/dogs etc

But as our hours work out as full time they said no???? eh???

if we dont work how can we pay for said horse and dogs... we went to a farmer friend of ours and bought a jr and have since got a chihuahua (not a a handbag ones lol) and a foxhound from foxhound rescue who were very happy with our lifestyle and we past the homing check with flying colours.

Absolute madness?!!?!?!!?
 
we tried to rehome a great dane recently, parents work full time but we said that dog will have a dog walker take it for a long walk at lunchtime and will have neighbour pop in and check up on it too every couple of hours. They said no. I checked on the website every couple of days to see whether dog was still there, he stayed in the kennels for further 4 months, one day he wasn't on the website at all :( it was a 9month old dane, perfectly healthy and no behavioural issues as he was described as good with other dogs, children, strangers, house trained etc. if they were slightly more realistic with their requirements then more animals would find a home :(
 
It's far too easy to dump a dog in a rescue centre and not be accountable for it anymore. The people who lived over the road from us had two german Shepard dogs they didn't know how to train and they were always escaping so they took them to the rescue centre aNd said they had found them. Guess what two months later they had two more puppies. They never walked any of the dogs they had they are a disgrace.

It doesn't matter what rescue services people provide its those that cause the damage and breed these animals that need to be accountable. having rescued a dog and a horse from neglect it's not easy but whilst everyone else is breeding more and more for greed of the money there is always going to be this situation. I thought everyone knew the RSPCA put animals to sleep. When we rescused ours over twenty years ago they were doing it then???? Your telling me nobody knew!

mum was also turned down for a rescue dog before our other one came along, and we had our little girl for 17 years. Whilst the woman on bennies got one, and had no money for vets bills. I am afraid all rescues are busy same with social services they are as bad don't think the animals world is any different to the human one as its not.
 
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I'm afraid i'm another who doesn't think much of the RSPCA.

I also agree with you all saying that the thoughtless breeding needs to stop, and the RSPCA should be doing more about this. Only this morning, a friend had posted a pic on facebook of her (not so well bred) Husky having just had the chop (which is good). Some moron owner of a littermate then posted a comment along the lines of 'i'm not having mine done til he's got another dog pregnant, then i get a free puppy!'. Whilst that attitude exists what hope is there?

It's one of the few subjests that really makes my blood boil!

Trina x
 
Pingpongpony: can't pm as am on phone but where are you? I know of a 3yr blue great Dane bitch looking for a forever home. I saw a sign in local cafe re:her needing a home&my friend went to see her today (but they aren't sure as they already have a v large GD dog and wondering if it may be too much,tho bitch did get on v well with their dog&played together beautifully.) However,apparently she is lovely girl,soft & affectionate &no prob,except is food aggressive around other dogs (not people apparently).
 
I also don't have a problem with the RSPCA putting dogs to sleep, and thought everyone knew they have always done that. Thirty years ago they used to keep dogs in kennels for 7 days, then pts in our town. If the RSPCA had a no kill policy the country would be awash with feral dogs roaming the streets as there is just not enough kennel room for all the unwanteds :(

The RSPCA don't help themselves on other issues however. Personal experience over the years has not been positive, from not being able rehome a dog or cat from them due to over stringent rules, to reporting neglect and cruelty and nothing being done.

We did have a guy knock on the door last year who was trying to persuade people to part with their hard earned cash and donate it to the RSPCA. I made polite noises and tried to get rid of him, but when he realised he wasn't getting anywhere he hit me with the hard sell. The hard sell was that by donating to the RSPCA I could be saving the life of a child as it is proven that people who abuse animals go on to abuse children. At that point I invited him in and closed the door.......... half an hour later the guy was practically begging for me to let him out after the lecture I gave him as to why I would never donate to the RSPCA :D :D :D

Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, bunch of incompetants (sp)
 
Alert, alert, alert - the SSPCA and the USPCA are NOTHING to do with the RSPCA but don't always shout loudly about it because people donate thinking that they are.
The USPCA currently has no (or at least very, very few) animals in it's care as all animal welfare has now been farmed out to individual council areas.

I am not a big fan of any of the SPCAs :p but I do think that the most rehomable should be put up for rehoming and if dogs especially have real issues, better dead than languishing in kennels for years (not months, years, it does happen and their issues are never resolved).
 
Springy:wasn't called Conker or Conquor as far as I know?He is a KWPN and I was told he was imported by two women about 6yrs ago,from Holland,sold to a man in Derbyshire,was too much for him,then I bought him via Mbequestrian (used to be member on here) when they were in Warwickshire, as vendor had placed him with them on sales livery. He is a bay gelding tho;). What makes you think it's him?
 
There was a Conquor / Conker aka Veneverdivici at a dressage/event/hunt yard near Melton Mowbray. He was an eventer KWPN imported from Holland... he won Bramham about 5 years ago give or take as a novice I think.

He was imported by DHI but not sure if he had the prefix or not

My husband was the yard manager there he backed and broke him as a 4 year old....

Ill see if can dig out a photo of him....

(we can take this to private message if you prefer)

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Ooh! How interesting! Yes,pls do pm me a pic of him-I can read pm's on phone but need computer to do a pm reply. Would be lovely if it's him and can find out some concrete history(rather than what you're told when you buy,which usually needs taking with a pinch of salt..) :)
 
Springy said:
There was a Conquor / Conker aka Veneverdivici at a dressage/event/hunt yard near Melton Mowbray. He was an eventer KWPN imported from Holland... he won Bramham about 5 years ago give or take as a novice I think.
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Don't you dare!! :D

Alec. :D
 
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