RSPCA PTS half the animals they rescue

Got the pm,thanku:) Well,it's a possibility still,seeing as mine was born 2002&therefore four yrs old in 2006. I was told he was imported at 4yrs old. The name of the owner you said is not who I bought him from but guess he could have been with her first. However,mine has his name spelt on his passport as it is in my username,so could well be different horse. I do hope you can find a pic and we can solve it! Hold on in there, Alec... ;)
 
Hmm,after that link I think probably not my boy-his name definitely spelt differently and I think I remember reading about the one in that link and thinking 'Ooh! Nearly same name!' plus,I think I might've had to spend quite a bit more than I did to buy him if he'd been on the BEF pathway and think they might've mentioned it..which they didn't..shame! ;) I bought him in 2007,which I think doesn't correlate either.Thanks tho! If u find a pic,pls still send it and I'll see:)
 
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Here is Vene verdi vici aka Conker as requested ;)

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Ah,thanku for posting pic,Springy! I can now categorically say it's def not my boy,as mine has a white stripe on his face.:) Nice to hear about another VVV tho! He looks lovely and can see why his stable name is Conker - v shiny bay boy.:)
 
Dobiegirl said:
RSPCA do not pass dogs on to breed rescues, I know thats probabley a drop in the ocean compared to the volume being pts but it would help. They could address the problems at grass roots by offering a spaying and neutering programme this could be funded by an advertising campaign which would also educate people as to the perils of buying from BYB and puppy farming. they
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Thats not strictly true it is very much down to the franchise in question. There are some RSPCA centres that automatically contact breed rescue to ask for homes but it is done on the understanding that the home is passed along and the donation is kept by the RSPCA. In some respects that is fair enough but in others we lose a home that could otherwise have gone to a dog that doesn't have a kennel space or is in urgent need.

What I would like to see is the RSPCA doing a proper evaluation of the dog not just putting them all down as fabulous happy chappies just overlooked in kennels because that does us more harm and we get dogs bounce. It would also help if they passed on the pedigree info so that we can contact the breeders concerned... not always to tell them off and remind them of their obligation but also because some will go in and rehome the dogs themselves buying them out when needed. All well and good the KC asking breeders to take responsibility but no good if organisations like the RSPCA don't support the scheme.
 
I have not used the RSPCA since an episode involving my neighbour. She rang me in a great state to say that a hero, while trying to filch her goldfish, had crashed into some pond statutuary and was badly injured. Would I come over to have a look. She had already rung the RSPCA.

I went over straight away and found the bird in a pitiable state. It's neck appeared to be broken and it had a broken wing. It couldn't lift its head up. The RSPCA "couldn't attend immediately". I said that in that case she should ring our very friendly local farmer and get him to dispatch it with his gun. She looked at me in horror, said it shouldn't be killed, and that she would wait for the RSPCA "who would know what to do".

So wait she did - for 36 hours - while that poor bird lurched round her garden in agony. The evening of the next day it was still alive, still in agony. I rang her and told her she HAD to get it shot. "Oh no, the RSPCA were coming soon!" I had a .22 airgun so decided to take matters into my own hands, though I wasn't sure that the weapon would be powerful enough to kill the bird with one shot.

As I trotted across the field, the RSPCA turned up - at last. "Oh dear, oh dear" said the officer. "We'll have to euthanise it". There was then an endless delay in so doing. My friend was fairly distraught by this time, said she thought if they couldn't attend they should have said so, so that she couldhave considered getting someone to shoot it. "Oh you couldn't do that" was the response. "It might have suffered" !!!!!

So now, the RSPCA would be my last port of call. They are politically correct, and action inept, and they actually need a major shake-up. The story of the thousands of animals put down confirms my disapproval of them.
 
so a quick search on google reveals battersea also put down dogs who are unrehomeable due to behaviour issues. are we going to slag them off for it too, or accept that since its not the rspca its a necessary action they have to take to make sure they can help more dogs?
 
Dobiegirl said:
RSPCA do not pass dogs on to breed rescues, I know thats probabley a drop in the ocean compared to the volume being pts but it would help. They could address the problems at grass roots by offering a spaying and neutering programme this could be funded by an advertising campaign which would also educate people as to the perils of buying from BYB and puppy farming. they
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I agree. A particularly sad case I know with the SSPCA was a chap with 20 working huskies. His wife died and he had a nervous breakdown. Husky welfare is FABULOUS yet the SSPCA seized the dogs, put them in separate quarantine kennels "because they were thin" ( a racing husky is a whippet with hair) and over fed them so they had horrendous diarrhoea. These dogs had been used to living as a pack so you can imagine what a state they became. All the while Husky welfare were trying to get the dogs as they had foster homes for them until they were rehomed or the man got better but the SSPCA wouldn't have it. They then rehomed them to totally unsuitable homes, and the dogs then ended up being dumped on Husky welfare anyway!!!
 
Going OT here, but some orgs do seem to have a problem with dogs having jobs, even if it was the job they were bred to do. To think a husky would be happier sat on a sofa with an on lead walk once or twice a day rather than being worked in harness rather belies a lack of knowledge about dogs.

I know of other orgs who will go out of their way not to let a hunt know if a hound is handed in to them :( yes, much better for a working dog to go to a sedate pet home or spend months in kennels rather than be returned to the pack.
 
Venevidivici said:
Pingpongpony: can't pm as am on phone but where are you? I know of a 3yr blue great Dane bitch looking for a forever home. I saw a sign in local cafe re:her needing a home&my friend went to see her today (but they aren't sure as they already have a v large GD dog and wondering if it may be too much,tho bitch did get on v well with their dog&played together beautifully.) However,apparently she is lovely girl,soft & affectionate &no prob,except is food aggressive around other dogs (not people apparently).
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We have a mini poodle and my brother is only 7 so a food agressive dog is out of the question really :( Hope she finds a suitable lovely home though :)
 
Springy said:
I hate them for the uselessness of them in dealing with cases of neglected horses and dogs.....

I have loads of examples from work but here is 1... (0bvs cant give too much detail but you will get the general idea)

Go into a house for drugs search, oocupant not there 1 dog running around house poor state very thin. House which was covered in poo no food no water another dog locked in bathroom. Cant get into bathroom. Get occupant to attend from new address. Call dog section. Occupant attends lets dog out of bathroom in a very very poor state smell is horrendous again no food and water. Occupant states he comes ONCE A WEEK to feed and water dogs and this is ok as when they will get hungry they will EAT THEIR OWN ***** as this is what dogs do!!!

Dog section fella near in tears at state of dog, occupant doesnt want dog in new flat as it will mess the carpets and doesnt want it in dog shelter as its 'not fair on them' to which I say they be better PTS than living in these horrendous conditions....

Call RSPCA for their 'expert' opinion to try and arrest/prosecute for cruetly to animal...... RSPCA wont even ATTEND!!!!! Too busy / are we sure / surly dog woud be dead if this was happening!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I MEAN WHAT!!! WHAT!!!! WHAT use is that!?!?!!?

RSPCA dont attend occupant puts dog back in bathroom and drives off to ew flat?????

BAH!!!!! Have loads of stories like this... mostly horses some dogs some cats... unless they have Rolf Harris and a TV crew with them they arent interested!!!!!

The P me right off :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: NO WAY I would ever give them a penny again (refer to previous posts!!)
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Of course, the police actually have powers of seizure, so they could have simply removed the dog and proceeded with a prosecution.

I gather that you will know that if you work for the police?! So why didn't you do so?:confused:
 
Moomince Pie said:
Of course, the police actually have powers of seizure, so they could have simply removed the dog and proceeded with a prosecution.

I gather that you will know that if you work for the police?! So why didn't you do so?:confused:
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Because we DONT have the power to sieze....... hence calling the RSPCA who dont have the power of entry but Do have the power to sieze....
 
Springy said:
Because we DONT have the power to sieze....... hence calling the RSPCA who dont have the power of entry but Do have the power to sieze....
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PMSL. No the RSPCA have NO powers of anything. If something needs seizing the police do it for the RSPCA.

Explain to me why you think a police officer has no powers of seizure?!!!!!
If you are a copper then that's quite worrying that you believe that, and you should be retrained.

A little help for you, Section 19 of PACE?! And Section 18 (5) of the Animal Welfare Act 2006.
 
Springy said:
I hate them for the uselessness of them in dealing with cases of neglected horses and dogs.....

I have loads of examples from work but here is 1... (0bvs cant give too much detail but you will get the general idea)

Go into a house for drugs search, oocupant not there 1 dog running around house poor state very thin. House which was covered in poo no food no water another dog locked in bathroom. Cant get into bathroom. Get occupant to attend from new address. Call dog section. Occupant attends lets dog out of bathroom in a very very poor state smell is horrendous again no food and water. Occupant states he comes ONCE A WEEK to feed and water dogs and this is ok as when they will get hungry they will EAT THEIR OWN ***** as this is what dogs do!!!

Dog section fella near in tears at state of dog, occupant doesnt want dog in new flat as it will mess the carpets and doesnt want it in dog shelter as its 'not fair on them' to which I say they be better PTS than living in these horrendous conditions....

Call RSPCA for their 'expert' opinion to try and arrest/prosecute for cruetly to animal...... RSPCA wont even ATTEND!!!!! Too busy / are we sure / surly dog woud be dead if this was happening!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I MEAN WHAT!!! WHAT!!!! WHAT use is that!?!?!!?

RSPCA dont attend occupant puts dog back in bathroom and drives off to ew flat?????

BAH!!!!! Have loads of stories like this... mostly horses some dogs some cats... unless they have Rolf Harris and a TV crew with them they arent interested!!!!!

The P me right off :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: NO WAY I would ever give them a penny again (refer to previous posts!!)
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  • 1. RSPCA LEFT £ 2000 IN AN OLD LADIES WILL. MANAGER BOUGHT NEW CAR AND CARPET WITH THE MONEY
  • 2. went to queue to get kitten 1 1/1/ hrs i was 3rd in queue give a form to fill in RSPA women fat old cow said where is your bf i said at work. she said he needs to be here I say he can't she said go away and come back when he can come
  • 3. mare at southall sick ill head hanging low. i say please check horse over there she is ill should not be in market. rspca say oh i will after my coffee, and carried on rabbiting. 1 1/2 hrs later still not saw her
  • 4 cat injured on rd phone up they said is it being mistreated we said no it needs help its injured RSPCA say its nothing to do with us we only deal with neglect and mistreated.




    Program on tv RSPCA officer have you got what it takes to be one???

    I say
    • I can sit down and chat
    • I can drive
    • I can answer the phone
    • I can drink coffee
    • I can wear a headset
    • I can ignore people when they ask for help



    Yes I have what it takes to be one:D

ASPCA are amazing and they have power to seize and they do , they make the RSPCA look like they are playing in the play ground.

did you know for such a big charity the RSPCA have

1!!!! van for the whole south east England ridiculous .
 
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Moomince Pie said:
PMSL. No the RSPCA have NO powers of anything. If something needs seizing the police do it for the RSPCA.

Explain to me why you think a police officer has no powers of seizure?!!!!!
If you are a copper then that's quite worrying that you believe that, and you should be retrained.

A little help for you, Section 19 of PACE?! And Section 18 (5) of the Animal Welfare Act 2006.
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Did I say I was a police officer....?? maybe you need to look closer at what I posted again the witch hunt continues........

There are other parts within the police force or do u need to see my pay statement to also prove this????
 
Springy said:
Did I say I was a police officer....?? maybe you need to look closer at what I posted again the witch hunt continues........

There are other parts within the police force or do u need to see my pay statement to also prove this????
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Well you police officer colleagues should have known that.
 
Not sure why you are implying a witch hunt Springy - I am merely pointing out that police officers could have intervened.:confused:
 
Springy said:
Did I say I was a police officer....?? maybe you need to look closer at what I posted again the witch hunt continues........

There are other parts within the police force or do u need to see my pay statement to also prove this????
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I think you need to log off for tonight....you're rather bizzare!
 
That is why I don't donate - BUT - With the amount of animals being abandoned at the moment, what choice do Charities have as a whole? We can't re-home every single unwanted pet, whether it, mouse, horse or dog? This Country is simply just not well off enough anymore.. or have the space..
 
Instead of the charities being a target the media want to focus on the cause, which are breeders and buyers. Sick of seeing puppies for sale with queen Anne legs and people with no idea about dogs buying them "cause they are cute".
 
I think you will find Battersea are a lot more stringent with their criteria of PTS and would be interested in comparable figures against the RSPCA ( as in x dogs per 100). I know that they do try to think outside the box to help their dogs and they really only put those down with severe behaviour issues. A very good friend rehomed a 13 or 15 year old ex breeding Staffie bitch of them in the summer so they do try. They also run the campaign "staffies are softer than you think " so get my thumbs up.

Still think that this charity should be publicly accountable for how it spends public donations and a commonest of rules and standards across all the branches so people know what to expect.. And standard training with certain experts in different fields.

Didnt know that the RSPCA would contact breed rescues but expect the donation to come back to them, would have thought a split would have been fairer.

Agree breeders should be targeted but I would say its in the puppy farms and indiscriminate breeders who should be investigated. If I ( and I will do this one day ) wanted to buy a KC bred Staffordshire puppy with all the health checks and breed lines available..I don't actually have the biggest amount of choice, but if I just looked at gum tree or preloved I could pick up a Staffie type for peanuts. All mine have come to me through Stafford welfare.
 
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That is a very valid point about buying a pup at the moment Luci07. In GSDs a lot of the breeders I know are breeding far fewer litters, or have even stopped altogether. I tried to find a puppy for someone towards the end of last year, within about an hours travelling time from me I could not find one litter I could recommend where both parents had health tests,were good quality etc. Yet on gumtree, preloved etc there were dozens for sale.:(
 
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R.S.P.C.A LEEDS, WAKEFIELD AND DISTRICT
December 24, 2012.Very sad news today. One of our dogs Spike was identified as a type dog so has very sadly had to be put to sleep. We are devastated and will miss him loads. Please spare a thought for all the dogs who have died needlessley because of BSL. "

^^ copied from Facebook

Spike was a lovely dog and had been up for rehoming for quite a while

these animals are getting hit left, right and centre :(




p.s. I used to foster for a 'rescue', the RSPCA often handed to us or asked us to help with the GSD's
 
In the USA we have an independant body who publishes figures for all animal charities and animal control units, stating the 'live release' rate. Those with low figures are then held accountable; if it is due to funding, that can be addressed, if it is down to management that is changed. It makes it easy for everyone in the 'industry' to see how we're all doing.

2 years ago the charity I now foster for - I did not then - had a LR of around 75%. That figure stayed pretty steady, 3 in 4 animals being PTS, which at one point meant 1 animal per day. Now, having been under new management for less than 6 months, it has a rate of 95%+. We haven't PTS an animal since October (or lost one due to health reasons, we have amazing vets!) and that was due to behavior, but it was very much warranted, and the best thing for a dog whose fear had him on edge - torn between loving and being terrified of anything that moved, we tried to rehab him, but it was no life.

Personally, I think similar, easily available figures, compiled by a 3rd party showing what was PTS, what was passed to other shelters, and what was rehomed would clear up the UK charity system. I read all the time on here about how certain charities are scams, or support puppy farming etc, if these figures were made clear, it would be harder for such places to pass themselves off as legit?

We may only be tiny compared to the RSPCA - usually 100-120 animals at anyone one time - but we are an open shelter, we take any animal including cruelty cases, very elderly animals and those with behavioral issues, but if we, with minimal funding can raise our game, why can't they?
 
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