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UNBELIEVABLE

So there is a rescue I keep in touch with on FB. They are a small rescue who specialise in taking in and homing cats and bull breeds. Very small but very successful rescue run by a lady who clearly understands these dogs and puts a huge amount of effort into turning round these dogs. (Also will sometimes take on other breeds but mainly bullies)

She had agreed to take on an EBT cross and another rescue was taking on the dog (again EBT cross) that had come in at the same time. She wasn't told much except it was a pound dog and had been abused. Transport sorted (North London to Cornwall). Dog should have arrived yesterday.

Except neither dog did. Both dogs were PTS. The only communication was to say that the dogs "weren't perfect". They weren't poundies, they had been handed into the RSPCA. Who put them both to sleep. Despite the fact that there were 2 reputable rescues had spaces and transport sorted.

And rescue in question has STILL not been given an adequate explanation or proper communication - yes I could be shooting off without all the facts but somehow I doubt it.

Oh sorry I forgot. They were just bull breeds - thats the breed that doesn't matter - isn't that right?

RIP Milly and Leo.
 
If they had more issues and where assessed and deemed "not suitable" to place in the hands of even another rescue then fair enough.
If that was not the case then shame on them:(
 
Playing devil's advocate here, I am no defender of that organisation, but they may have been off the scale aggressive and the RSPCA thought they were too much of a risk to deal with or transport?

RIP dogs x
 
I think if you look at the RSPCA website most of the dogs they have available for rehoming are staffies and other bullbreeds. This is hardly an indication that they are "the breed that doesn't matter"

I think until the full facts are revealed then it is difficult to comment.
 
Rescues are very experienced. This had not come up previously when the dogs were looking for a rescue space so find it odd. Surely if the RSPCA thought there was an issue, they would have discussed it with the rescues first to see what their views were? I am realistic, I do appreciate there are some dogs who have just been so mucked up they are never going to change and they are dangerous, but equally there are dogs who can be brought back on track. If nothing else, the fact that said rescue is kicking up will make the RSPCA be more open about their processes.

And full facts... rescue is still waitng for those..
 
It would indeed be a shame if that was the case Luci07, but Im going to have to say some rescues literally don't have a clue.
I rehabed a breed infact I talk about him often, he is a bull breed x dog de bordeaux, I has only had him a week maybe 2 as no other rescue would touch him of the ones asked, one rescue then stepped forward and told me to send him to them as they had a home with a blind elderly small breed dog:confused: I was horrified:eek:, my answer was "no"...this was not a suitable home for a highly aggressive dog that had a week before nearly tore off the leg/foot of a GSD in the pound he was in. I held onto him and kept him in my home for a very long time, I had already decided he was to remain with me, I would never have passed him on in any circumstance, not that I thought none where capable (he was my responsibility now) and if he where placed in the wrong hands or someone made a mistake then the consiquence could be catastrophic for a dog or human, I found him a home on my door step and he walks with OH every day on his dog walking round (I was very lucky to find this home)

It may not all be so cut and dry, but if indeed they where lazy and they would not work with the dogs nor pass them on without assessing for the sake of effort then thats appauling.
 
I do take your point and know very well that there are times people overstep themselves and end up with dogs they cannot sort out. I also know from having "behind the scenes" discussions with rescues/welfare etc that there are a lot of dogs which have been so abused they are truly dangerous. In this time of such massive overcrowding in rescues and pounds I also understand that there is no longer the resource/time/money available to sort out these dogs or the homes to take them in.

In this instance though, this rescue is very very bully savvy and has turned round and rehabiliated a lot of bull breeds. She is also pretty clued up on where they go and assessements too.

Still waiting for a proper explanation from the RSPCA. I went off them when they threw their weight behind the anti hunting campaign as felt they should never have got involved. At the very very least, the rescue should have been consulted. And if the dogs were so dangerous, how come it took so long to decide? Incredibly poor communication and a waste of peoples time.
 
Many moons ago I worked at a Trekking centre, they also ran the RSPCA kennels. It was at the height of dog attacks where Rotty's seemed to get all the blame. I remember a litter of 6 about 12 weeks old, all being put down along with their mother (who was a love). Ive hated the RSPCA since!
 
My cousin works for the RSPCA sorting out handed in dogs and all the staffies and bull breeds in her area are PTS, they aren't even taken in and assessed.
 
I've not really got any experience of the RSPCA, but find it sad that they get so much criticism on here. Sounds like they have their faults, but surely they do some good work too!??

In my area, the RSPCA has nothing but bull types for re-homing.
 
Rescues have a very difficult job I think and bullies are often misunderstood but if the dogs were assessed correctly as aggressive and not redeemable I think they have done the right thing. As others said if this isn't the case and they've taken the view of well lets get rid they're bullies and harder to rehome shame on them.

I am trying to offer a home to another rescue bullmastiff and have tried in vein for the breed rescue to get back to me and after two months of trying I've given up.

Sometimes I think the rescues are so overwhelmed they don't have the time to get back to people.
 
Lets face it even when the RSPCA can be bothered to assess dogs of any breed they get it wrong. I've had dogs from them who are apparently good in a home environment and good with young children, cats and other small furries. Infact the RSPCA said that the only problem was pulling on the lead.

Both my guineapigs were killed (dogs broke into the hutch).

My cats were attacked and refused to come home. Next door neighbors cat was killed.

My cousin was bitten (he was sat on the sofa doing nothing to warrant the dogs attention)

The dogs destroyed the house (sofas, carpets etc)

On the up side I sorted the pulling on lead issues out before I sent them back and rewrote the dogs info sheets to say that the dogs should be homed separately (they played off each other) to experienced homes with no kids (or older kids), cats or small furries.

I'm sure that if the RSPCA had assessed the dogs properly we never would have adopted them. You don't even get your £100 per dog adoption fee 'donation' back even when you can prove that the RSPCA conned you out of the money!
 
Clodagh said:
My cousin works for the RSPCA sorting out handed in dogs and all the staffies and bull breeds in her area are PTS, they aren't even taken in and assessed.
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Yet more discrimination from the RSPCA :mad: we are not popular as we are 'Gamekeepers'/'Farmers' aka murdering, dog beating, evil animal haters .... apparently :rolleyes::D

I have no faith in the RSPCA and never will. Ever!
 
As Ive said before why dont the RSPCA hand breeds over to breed rescue, I realise that the Staffie rescue has more dogs than they can cope with but Bull Mastiffs and their crosses would be taken by their breed rescue.
 
Dobiegirl said:
As Ive said before why dont the RSPCA hand breeds over to breed rescue, I realise that the Staffie rescue has more dogs than they can cope with but Bull Mastiffs and their crosses would be taken by their breed rescue.
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There certainly do in some areas - I know a breed rescue that gets a fair few dogs through the RSPCA.

I suppose some of the inconsistencies in policy could be because each branch runs as an individual area under the umbrella of the national brand so they may have different rules in different areas IYSWIM.
 
Will probably get slated BUT what are the RSPCA and all the other rescues supposed to do with the thousands of staffies and their crosses that are tipping up in rescue centres these days? Thousands of strays are put to sleep every year in this country so why is anyone shocked about these 2 dogs? I understand that they had rescue places available but we shouldn't jump on the RSPCA without knowing the full story as I'm fairly sure the organisation doesn't take the putting down of dogs lightly. I've heard, not sure how true it is, that even the Dogs Trust who's ad says 'we never put a healthy dog down' are having to pts after all as they are at saturation point. .

And re the RSPCA - they do have their faults but I have called them 4 times in the last few years and every time they have acted and sorted the problem perfectly. So what would the alternative to the RSPCA be? A government run organisation? We all know how successful the government are at running stuff!
 
With bull breeds there is also the legal aspect, is the dog in fact a legal dog. All bull breeds that are rehomed should if the rescue is run responsibly be assessed by a police DLO or DLO trained officer to determine if a particular dog has characteristics that would lead to believe it is of pit bull type. If this is the case, the dog (under the current DDA)cannot be rehomed and therefore must be pts by law. If the rspca were to rehome a dog that fell under this umbrella without having the assessment done and it bit/killed a child the backlash would fall to the rspca or any charity who rehomed it. So it could be that these dogs actually failed this assessment. Alternatively they could have failed a temperament assessment whilst in kennels, and were therefore deemed to be too much of a risk to rehome. There is insufficient evidence here to judge either way.
 
Their exotics knowledge is poor.. I will never forgive them for taking in a 40 yr old tortoise, the owner kept phoning them saying my neighbour found my tortoise and handed him in to you.. they were vague for 3 days, day 4 they admit they have him ..... turns out they thought he was a turtle and put him in a bucket of water :(
Poor owner had owned him for best part of 40 years

RIP Tommy.
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
Their exotics knowledge is poor.. I will never forgive them for taking in a 40 yr old tortoise, the owner kept phoning them saying my neighbour found my tortoise and handed him in to you.. they were vague for 3 days, day 4 they admit they have him ..... turns out they thought he was a turtle and put him in a bucket of water :(
Poor owner had owned him for best part of 40 years

RIP Tommy.
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This is awful, bet they didnt prosecute themselves.
 
I have no time for the RSPCA either. They are idiots and have been since it was taken over by the idiots that are running it now.

When looking for a dog for my mother one of the workers brought in a very over exuberant young Labrador. he had no manners whatsoever, jumping up, pulling on the lead and generally acting like a hooligan. The girl allowed him to jump all over me and when he went to do so I hooked his back feet from under him with my foot, not viscously just so that he had to go down. One of the officers saw this and remarked that the dog had not been temperament tested and he looked as if he was 'untrainable' because at 18 months he was destructive, food aggressive and not the sort to rehome.
I saw red and told them that if I could not have that dog walking to heel and sitting still in 30 minutes then I would give up keeping dogs.

Out in the car park I had his attention with firm corrections, on a flat collar and in 30 minutes he was sitting, going down and actually staying to the length of a long halter rope I had on him.

Nothing wrong with the dog except lack of exercise and discipline. He looked working lines and was pleased to actually be doing something different.

I returned him and asked them to give him some food in a bowl to prove he was not food aggressive but they refused to do so.

So many not so good tales to tell about them - I will not support them at all.

When they were on the TV I had a good laugh at their rescues in front of the cameras. I tried to get them to come here to rescue a swan that was entangled in fishing line and they told me an officer would be here in two days. When I said that a reporter from the local paper was here then they changed their minds and said someone would be there in an hour or two. I told them not to bother and I would catch the bird myself - which I did. Got clawed worse than with a wild cat. I never knew that swans had such sharp claws on the end of their feet but I do now! LOL
 
Foxhunter49 said:
I have no time for the RSPCA either. They are idiots and have been since it was taken over by the idiots that are running it now.

When looking for a dog for my mother one of the workers brought in a very over exuberant young Labrador. he had no manners whatsoever, jumping up, pulling on the lead and generally acting like a hooligan. The girl allowed him to jump all over me and when he went to do so I hooked his back feet from under him with my foot, not viscously just so that he had to go down. One of the officers saw this and remarked that the dog had not been temperament tested and he looked as if he was 'untrainable' because at 18 months he was destructive, food aggressive and not the sort to rehome.
I saw red and told them that if I could not have that dog walking to heel and sitting still in 30 minutes then I would give up keeping dogs.

Out in the car park I had his attention with firm corrections, on a flat collar and in 30 minutes he was sitting, going down and actually staying to the length of a long halter rope I had on him.

Nothing wrong with the dog except lack of exercise and discipline. He looked working lines and was pleased to actually be doing something different.

I returned him and asked them to give him some food in a bowl to prove he was not food aggressive but they refused to do so.

So many not so good tales to tell about them - I will not support them at all.

When they were on the TV I had a good laugh at their rescues in front of the cameras. I tried to get them to come here to rescue a swan that was entangled in fishing line and they told me an officer would be here in two days. When I said that a reporter from the local paper was here then they changed their minds and said someone would be there in an hour or two. I told them not to bother and I would catch the bird myself - which I did. Got clawed worse than with a wild cat. I never knew that swans had such sharp claws on the end of their feet but I do now! LOL
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Yep as a veterinary nurse for many many years I have had MANY dealings with them, one of which they asked one of our vets to go out into a dark field and kill an injured very aggressive badger, as their officers weren't prepared to trap it, he went eventually, but i don't think it would have been a pretty sight as to how he did away with it.... did they think he would raise a vein and stick some Euthatal in?? Another incident we had clients coming in droaning on about a pigeon trapped upside down on the town hall, so phoned them and apparenty they don't have ladders.... wasn't like that on the TV show was it!... I kept my horse on a yard where they thought it was goodfun to throw buckets of water at a laminitic shetland so the kids would find it funny hobbling off, needlessto say i reported them and told the owners it was me...... few mths later i moved my horse, retired him due to heart condition ( my choice not vets) and was seen hunting a similar horse... RSPCA phoned me at work and I said if I was hunting him it was none of your business ( of which I wasn't) they said fair dues and went away without even checking the horse! I dispair of them, one of our nurses used to work for them too and she said the wages they are all on and the money is unreal! So nope I have no time for listening to them either and yes that poor tortoise lived for 40 years to be drowned by some uneducated official!
 
Non of the above stories surprise me. I have called out the rspca a few times to help with neglected dogs mainly, nothing done apart from on one occasion.

I was visiting a expensive private livery near Reigate many years ago, one of my friends was looking at it with a view to moving her horse there.
The owner of the yard lived in a large posh house nextdoor, she drove past us whilst we were there and the girl showing us round told us that she is high up in the RSPCA, not sure how high up possibly one of directors of the company, I don't know as she didn't elaborate but she wasn't short of a bob or two by looking at her house!
The girl told us that she has rats (wild) running round her house and even up and down the stairs as she won't kill anything, not even fleas or rats!
We left and decided my friends horse was better off elsewhere!
 
Have to say I love the way any thread on here mentioning rspca, turns into a thread of heresay, rumour and 3rd/4th hand info being regarded as proof!!! So someone who may work for the rspca lived in a big house and may have had a pest issue... are you mentioning this because of the fact they have a big house?.... how on earth do you know where the money for this so called big house came from??? or for the mention of not sorting out a pest issue? well sorry but that is also rumour! I think it's very funny what people seem to be happy to take as fact without any evidence!!!
 
I have seen my Auntie beat a retired and lame horse over a near on 5ft jump until it collapsed. I have seen my Auntie punch a horse repeatedly in the stomach with spurs wrapped around her fist. I have seen my auntie saw on a horses mouth until it bled and I have seen my Auntie punch a horse in the face until it no longer looked out of it's stable again!

She works for the RSPCA and regularly takes in their animals!

I do not speak to her. In fact, I detest her! The RSPCA however believe she is knowledgeable and trustworthy enough to represent them! :mad:
 
competitiondiva said:
Have to say I love the way any thread on here mentioning rspca, turns into a thread of heresay, rumour and 3rd/4th hand info being regarded as proof!!! So someone who may work for the rspca lived in a big house and may have had a pest issue... are you mentioning this because of the fact they have a big house?.... how on earth do you know where the money for this so called big house came from??? or for the mention of not sorting out a pest issue? well sorry but that is also rumour! I think it's very funny what people seem to be happy to take as fact without any evidence!!!
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The girl showing us round had seen the rats herself when in the house,so not rumour as you are saying, you yourself are assuming it is a rumour!
No one can have a large house without a substantial amount of money coming in unless they are born into money, which in this instance was not proved.
 
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