RSPCA SHAME ON YOU

I thought you would all like to know the pony is in a stable at our yard tonight he is nice and warm and plenty of hay and water
He is not in bad health either whoever owns him has not neglected him
We can sort out what to do next tomorrow
Also to the RSPCA inspectors out there past and present i dont like being called a liar, my friends and i are not in the habit of taking other peoples horses back to a livery yard that does not belong to us we are only liveries there, as far as we are concerned we have improved the situation that that pony found its self in , what shocked me is the RSPCA would have left him tied to the lampost with nothing to eat or drink
 
harveysmom said:
I thought you would all like to know the pony is in a stable at our yard tonight he is nice and warm and plenty of hay and water
He is not in bad health either whoever owns him has not neglected him
We can sort out what to do next tomorrow
Also to the RSPCA inspectors out there past and present i dont like being called a liar, my friends and i are not in the habit of taking other peoples horses back to a livery yard that does not belong to us we are only liveries there, as far as we are concerned we have improved the situation that that pony found its self in , what shocked me is the RSPCA would have left him tied to the lampost with nothing to eat or drink
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You are right to be shocked.
 
guido16 said:
Erm, what do you mean you work for the police? Are you a police officer?, cheif constable, Admin, control room, cleaner? Not all people that work "for" the police have all the info held by the police.
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That particular poster's knowledge of the law leaves a lot to be desired so I guess they are not a PC or higher.
 
harveysmom said:
I got a call tonight from two of my friends from the yard, they had found a shetland pony tied to a lampost by the neck using a car seatbelt. The RSPCA would not attend they obviously thought leaving the pony there was ok. The police were nearly as bad, at least they showed up but then handed responsiblity for the pony over to my friends and then left
I think the word PREVENTION should be dropped from the RSPCA name would he have to starve to death before they did anything
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http://www.rspca.org.uk/allaboutanimals/horses/crisis

Why dont you have a read of this. Then donate and do a coffee morning/fundraiser for them?
 
guido16 said:
Erm, what do you mean you work for the police? Are you a police officer?, cheif constable, Admin, control room, cleaner? Not all people that work "for" the police have all the info held by the police.
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I am a PCSO not sure what difference that makes though.... :confused:
however as the Equine Liason Officer I can assure you the police force im with dont have a green yard...

I would love to access to one as there are soooo many horses in need here....

Are we turning this into a Springy bashing thread AGAIN..... :confused:
 
Springy said:
I am a PCSO not sure what difference that makes though.... :confused:
however as the Equine Liason Officer I can assure you the police force im with dont have a green yard...

I would love to access to one as there are soooo many horses in need here....

Are we turning this into a Springy bashing thread AGAIN..... :confused:
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It makes a massive difference.

I have given lessons to PCSO's and police officers on the law, and the PCSO'S know shockingly little!

As Equine Liasion Officer, it's also your duty to arrange and sort these things.
 
Moomin1 said:
It makes a massive difference.

I have given lessons to PCSO's and police officers on the law, and the PCSO'S know shockingly little!
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Well Ive been a PCSO nearly 8 years and this police force have no 'green yard' I can assure you

Also I know the parts of the law I need to know to complete my role... Im not a PC I have no desire to be a PC... Siezing animals is not part of my role.... Im sure there are people in the control room who dont also know alot of the law.....

I dont think on a forum you can cast your opinion on what I do and dont know or do or dont need to know.............. you dont know me at all....

PCSOS over forces have different roles and know different amounts....

And as the ELO I can assure you this isnt part of my job!!!
 
Moomin1 said:
It makes a massive difference.

I have given lessons to PCSO's and police officers on the law, and the PCSO'S know shockingly little!

As Equine Liasion Officer, it's also your duty to arrange and sort these things.
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Sorry sorry...Moomin you DO make me laugh.
The RSPCA have to be the most ignorant of law and the worst flouters of it.
How you can possibly tell a PCSO how to conduct his/herself with regards to horses is pitiful given the lack of regard you lot show them!
 
Springy said:
I am a PCSO not sure what difference that makes though.... :confused:
however as the Equine Liason Officer I can assure you the police force im with dont have a green yard...

I would love to access to one as there are soooo many horses in need here....

Are we turning this into a Springy bashing thread AGAIN..... :confused:[/QUOTE

respect for the pcso, unforts pretty much none of the powers of a police officer, other than to detain?
Would you not agree though my original point that horses on the highway come under the police forces jurisdiction?
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Springy said:
Well Ive been a PCSO nearly 8 years and this police force have no 'green yard' I can assure you

Also I know the parts of the law I need to know to complete my role... Im not a PC I have no desire to be a PC... Siezing animals is not part of my role.... Im sure there are people in the control room who dont also know alot of the law.....

I dont think on a forum you can cast your opinion on what I do and dont know or do or dont need to know.............. you dont know me at all....

PCSOS over forces have different roles and know different amounts....

And as the ELO I can assure you this isnt part of my job!!!
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I wouldn't waste your breath :)
 
Springy said:
Well Ive been a PCSO nearly 8 years and this police force have no 'green yard' I can assure you

Also I know the parts of the law I need to know to complete my role... Im not a PC I have no desire to be a PC... Siezing animals is not part of my role.... Im sure there are people in the control room who dont also know alot of the law.....

I dont think on a forum you can cast your opinion on what I do and dont know or do or dont need to know.............. you dont know me at all....

PCSOS over forces have different roles and know different amounts....
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Your post on another thread spoke reams. You attended an address were you felt that a dog was being mistreated. You called the RSPCA who in your opinion 'did nothing' and therefore you said you 'had to leave the dog in situ with the owners' because you felt that the RSPCA were the only ones who had powers to do anything. You were misinformed. The RSPCA have no powers whatsoever, and it is infact, the police who seize and gain entry/get warrants etc for the RSPCA. So in actual fact, that animal was left there in those conditions (if they are as you say) because of a lack of knowledge of the law. That should not be taking place. PCSO's should have a very basic knowledge of the law, including the Animal Welfare Act, because they are the very people that are going out there into people's houses daily and spotting problems.
 
When I assisted the police in trying to sort a couple of loose ponies, I was suprised when the officer told me the RSPCA weren't interested, the local horse sanctuary didn't want to know either, he said.

We were at a loss for a bit, until he decided to take me up on my offer to take them to my field, a 3 mile walk and a rolling road-block but then a local instructor called and offered a lift to her stables to which we accepted.

Lack of support through these services amazes me, it really does, the police did a grand job for these ponies, shame the others couldn't offer anything....the letter I received from the officer a couple of weeks later states that if I hadn't arrived with equipment (headcollars, bridle) he believed the situation would have ended tragically....
 
Springy, I am not having a pot shot at what you do, just, as you know more than others, have to say that a police Officers of any grade will no more about the ins and outs of the law than a PCSO.

Anyway, not hijacking this thread, just glad the OP has found a safe place for this wee horse.
 
B_2_B said:
I wouldn't waste your breath :)
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I give up lol!!

I am a highly respected PCSO within my force or so my bosses and local community and horsey community think..... just this week I have been given 2 more awards for my work.... however I better hand them back and say dont give me them until I know the whole of PACE and you have checked with the members of the H&H forum :confused:
 
joeanne said:
Sorry sorry...Moomin you DO make me laugh.
The RSPCA have to be the most ignorant of law and the worst flouters of it.
How you can possibly tell a PCSO how to conduct his/herself with regards to horses is pitiful given the lack of regard you lot show them!
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Aww cheers Joanne, glad to cheer you up! :D
 
As with Chinese whispers something here has been lost in translation, miss heard, or not said. We are reading something which you heard from your friend, who heard it from the call centre? How do you know what information was given to the call centre? Stay horses are the responsibility of police, they have a duty to ensure public safety, why should it be down top a charity to be responsible for this? Regarding bus, whw, if it happened tonight you'd get no response from them either as they don't have a 24/7 response. If the pony was as you say tied up on a short 'tether' unable to move, then yes they should have attended, but was all the information fully relayed, and what exactly was the response?
 
Moomin1 said:
Your post on another thread spoke reams. You attended an address were you felt that a dog was being mistreated. You called the RSPCA who in your opinion 'did nothing' and therefore you said you 'had to leave the dog in situ with the owners' because you felt that the RSPCA were the only ones who had powers to do anything. You were misinformed. The RSPCA have no powers whatsoever, and it is infact, the police who seize and gain entry/get warrants etc for the RSPCA. So in actual fact, that animal was left there in those conditions (if they are as you say) because of a lack of knowledge of the law. That should not be taking place. PCSO's should have a very basic knowledge of the law, including the Animal Welfare Act, because they are the very people that are going out there into people's houses daily and spotting problems.
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and as YOU will know I cannot over rule the police officer...... being a low life PCSO who doesnt know anything.....

The PC said we needed the RSPCA's "expert" opinion and he was then going to be arrested but they didnt bother their arse as usual to attend.....

Anyway this as usual is a dig at me and going nowhere......

If the RSPCA were any use then why so many threads about them being rubbish :confused:
 
indie999 said:
http://www.rspca.org.uk/allaboutanimals/horses/crisis

Why dont you have a read of this. Then donate and do a coffee morning/fundraiser for them?
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I dont see your point my friends and i were dealing with this one shetland pony why on earth would i want to raise money for an organisation who would no attend this pony
This pony needed help at that moment in time what would you of had us do all take turns in standing with the pony until it died that may take a bit of time it is in good health, i would like to think the equestrian community could pull together in these situations you never know next time it might be your horse, you would then probably complain that everyone walked by and did nothing
i would prefer to find out that someone had been kind to my horse and cared for it
perhaps you would like to hold a coffee morning to help towards my diesel for collecting him and my friends hay and straw that he is now enjoying
his owner maybe found yet until then he is safe
 
Moomin....a thought. As you are so so pro RSPCA and the good they do. There is a group of half dead ponies on a welsh mountain that are in crisis tonight.
Your lot have declined to visit and act. Maybe you could hurry them along somewhat?
They ARE in fact on last legs many of them.
You could possibly send one of your highly trained Boltgun officers to end the suffering of the poor wee sods.
Or maybe they don't count as in need?
 
harveysmom said:
I dont see your point my friends and i were dealing with this one shetland pony why on earth would i want to raise money for an organisation who would no attend this pony
This pony needed help at that moment in time what would you of had us do all take turns in standing with the pony until it died that may take a bit of time it is in good health, i would like to think the equestrian community could pull together in these situations you never know next time it might be your horse, you would then probably complain that everyone walked by and did nothing
i would prefer to find out that someone had been kind to my horse and cared for it
perhaps you would like to hold a coffee morning to help towards my diesel for collecting him and my friends hay and straw that he is now enjoying
his owner maybe found yet until then he is safe
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No I don't think you should be rushing to fund raise for them either.
Hopefully he's a naughty pony who is a Houdini and in the morning his horrified owners will arrive ( my Shetland was well known about the village I grew up in) .
I would try the BHS and WHW in the morning for advice and call the police at least twice a day and keep a record of the calls.
 
Springy said:
and as YOU will know I cannot over rule the police officer...... being a low life PCSO who doesnt know anything.....

The PC said we needed the RSPCA's "expert" opinion and he was then going to be arrested but they didnt bother their arse as usual to attend.....

Anyway this as usual is a dig at me and going nowhere......

If the RSPCA were any use then why so many threads about them being rubbish :confused:
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Generally because of people like you who are so misinformed that they jump to conclusions. :rolleyes:
 
joeanne said:
Moomin....a thought. As you are so so pro RSPCA and the good they do. There is a group of half dead ponies on a welsh mountain that are in crisis tonight.
Your lot have declined to visit and act. Maybe you could hurry them along somewhat?
They ARE in fact on last legs many of them.
You could possibly send one of your highly trained Boltgun officers to end the suffering of the poor wee sods.
Or maybe they don't count as in need?
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If they are in that much of a crisis why on earth are you sat on a public forum? Get out there and do something to help! :rolleyes:

If they are so bad, call the vet out?!

Hypocrisy muchly!
 
Moomin1 said:
Generally because of people like you who are so misinformed that they jump to conclusions. :rolleyes:
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So instead of jumping all over springy a**......how about jumping to help those ponies? Eh?
If the RSPCA spent more time DOING the bl00dy job they were created for, then maybe there would be less of the "bashing threads"
 
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